Because Trump 2.0

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2024/07/19/plume-of-black-smoke-rises-over-downtown-dallas/

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Amid the smell of smoke, Dallas Fire-Rescue on Saturday continued to spray water on a fire-damaged chapel at First Baptist Dallas in the aftermath of a four-alarm blaze. Debris could be seen through the structure’s red-brick walls and window panes, and at least two Fire-Rescue trucks remained at the scene.

Completely coincidentally;
 

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Jeffress has become a well-known national figure. He’s a regular contributor to Fox News who has drawn criticism for some of his politically charged remarks, focused on three aspects of sustaining First Baptist’s success: commitment to the church, spreading the Gospel and grounding itself in the Bible.

He became one of former President Donald Trump’s most prominent Christian advisers and was a frequent visitor to the White House during his presidency. Trump visited the church in December 2021. Jeffress referred to Trump several times during the visit as one of his closest friends, The News reported. 

 

 

[Mr King]

6 hours ago, LT Ducky said:

I really try not to get sucked into conspiracy theories but as more stuff emerges on this assassination attempt the harder it is not to see very plausible ones.

After the events of the last 30 years, I think at this point it's more likely the conspiracy theories are closer to the truth than any of the official narratives are.

[Stargrunt6]

2 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2024/07/19/plume-of-black-smoke-rises-over-downtown-dallas/

Completely coincidentally;
 

 

Totally not a hate crime, per the FBI.

[DB]

On 7/20/2024 at 2:57 AM, rmgill said:

Now imagine if they had met ahead of time to plan for the fire response at Kings Cross to plan for the incident, go over the response plan, establish areas of responsibility, contingencies and other details and they STILL had such a failure.

Quite. Which is why I suggested that there might have been a personality conflict (as well).

[DB]

On 7/20/2024 at 11:39 AM, Markus Becker said:

Who needs an empire to have a strong industrial base? You just need to competitive. Ideally wrt cost and technical innovation. 

Arguably, British industry relied on raw material imports from the empire (ignoring coal, obviously, at least at first). This would have been dominated by sugar from the West Indies early on, textiles from India and so on.

However, the big driver was land reform (enclosure) and selective breeding improving farm outputs, which reduced manpower needs and freed that up for developing industries.

Decades ago I saw a chart that showed estimated energy costs versus output for several nations as they industrialised. Unfortunately, I've never found the paper again.

With each successive nation that jumped from a broadly agrarian to an industrialised economy, the energy cost per output unit decreased significantly. With the UK being first to have the "industrial revolution", the cost was enormous. Every subsequent country leveraged the successful methods and improved their cost to industrialise enormously. Again, one could argue that the nascent empire in the mid 1700s contributed to the ability to overcome that highest hurdle.

[sunday]

Brandon Herrera went to reproduce the shots, against Trump, and against the assassin.

 

[NickM]

8 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Totally not a hate crime, per the FBI.

 

Well, let's wait for the investigation to complete, so it don't turn out he set the fire himself for 'sympathy points'.

[sunday]

9 minutes ago, NickM said:

 

Well, let's wait for the investigation to complete, so it don't turn out he set the fire himself for 'sympathy points'.

Do you know of Southern Baptists "pulling a Smollett" before?

[Murph]

Secret Service now admits they denied extra security to Trump.  

 

https://pjmedia.com/rick-moran/2024/07/21/liars-secret-service-now-admits-they-denied-trump-campaign-requests-for-more-security-n4930906

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/20/trump-secret-service-security-attempted-assassination/

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After receiving detailed questions from The Washington Post, Guglielmi said the agency had learned new information indicating the agency’s headquarters may have in fact denied some requests for additional security from Trump’s detail and was reviewing documentation to understand the specific interactions better.

Isn't this an example of what the left wing now calls "mal-information?"

 

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None of the denied requests that The Post reviewed related to the Pennsylvania rally. But one of the denials that most concerned Trump officials came as he held a rally in South Carolina in July 2023, one of the first large-scale events of his current campaign. Trump was speaking in a downtown square in Pickens, a small town 20 miles west of Greenville, at a site surrounded by commercial and residential buildings. People familiar with the request said that Trump’s security team asked for more countersnipers to be stationed on rooftops to guard against potential shooters or other attacks.

The people said the Pickens event was one of several in which Trump’s team was denied more tactical support. Trump’s detail was told Secret Service headquarters had determined they could not provide the resources after the detail made an extensive argument for why the teams were needed, they said.

Guglielmi said the Service is still reviewing the planning for the Pickens event but said local countersnipers rather than Secret Service teams were on hand to help address the threats of potential shooters.

On multiple other occasions, Trump’s team asked for magnetometers and additional help to screen attendees for Trump to attend sporting events, particularly wrestling matches and college football games, people familiar with those requests said. They were told no because the events were not campaign events.

 

 

Note again the outsourcing of security to small municipal/county LE organizations. Problem is, those city/county LEOs are overtasked just with traffic control and similar activities, and usually don't have the budget for world-class counter-sniper and bomb detection work. It is now clear to me that this is a mechanism for both encouraging assassins and shifting blame to the locals.

 

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, DB said:

 

With each successive nation that jumped from a broadly agrarian to an industrialised economy, the energy cost per output unit decreased significantly. With the UK being first to have the "industrial revolution", the cost was enormous. Every subsequent country leveraged the successful methods and improved their cost to industrialise enormously. Again, one could argue that the nascent empire in the mid 1700s contributed to the ability to overcome that highest hurdle.

The Roads and canals projects helped. The extensive canal network was a useful driver. But obviously canals for small narrow boat traffic isn't as efficient as rail is from a manpower perspective. The US has some canals but mostly along rivers to bypass fall lines and ways to link certain rivers. 

 

[NickM]

2 hours ago, sunday said:

Do you know of Southern Baptists "pulling a Smollett" before?

 

No, unlike Imams at Mosques and the preachers at black churches---but I would rather be cautious.

[JWB]

 

[Markus Becker]

6 hours ago, DB said:

Arguably, British industry relied on raw material imports from the empire (ignoring coal, obviously, at least at first). This would have been dominated by sugar from the West Indies early on, textiles from India and so on.

However, the big driver was land reform (enclosure) and selective breeding improving farm outputs, which reduced manpower needs and freed that up for developing industries.

Decades ago I saw a chart that showed estimated energy costs versus output for several nations as they industrialised. Unfortunately, I've never found the paper again.

With each successive nation that jumped from a broadly agrarian to an industrialised economy, the energy cost per output unit decreased significantly. With the UK being first to have the "industrial revolution", the cost was enormous. Every subsequent country leveraged the successful methods and improved their cost to industrialise enormously. Again, one could argue that the nascent empire in the mid 1700s contributed to the ability to overcome that highest hurdle.

Yes, the sugar islands and India were very lucrative at the time but I was thinking post 45. 

Loosing the Empire might not have been a key factor in the economic decline. 

[Markus Becker]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

The Roads and canals projects helped. The extensive canal network was a useful driver. But obviously canals for small narrow boat traffic isn't as efficient as rail is from a manpower perspective. The US has some canals but mostly along rivers to bypass fall lines and ways to link certain rivers. 

The narrow boats and canals were IMO a stroke of genius! 

They utterly revolutionized transportation. A horse could pull a 20 ton boat. What could one pull on a good road? 

And boats as well as canals could be built in a pre-ish industrial environment. No steam shovels but digging by hand. Ofc you didn't need to dig wide or deep to outclass roads. Railroads changed everything but they weren't in the radar when the canal building began. 

And the canals probably generated a lot of the capital and momentum to build railways. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

I'm told that the British economy hit peak in 1860. Economic decline, relative to Germany, began as early as 1900. It was only 2 world wars that screwed up the German economy long enough that it didn't matter anymore.

 

[Stefan Fredriksson]

If somehow irrefutable evidence were found that there was no conspiracy to kill Trump, would that make those who believe there was a conspiracy feel worse, or better?

[Stuart Galbraith]

9 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

The narrow boats and canals were IMO a stroke of genius! 

They utterly revolutionized transportation. A horse could pull a 20 ton boat. What could one pull on a good road? 

And boats as well as canals could be built in a pre-ish industrial environment. No steam shovels but digging by hand. Ofc you didn't need to dig wide or deep to outclass roads. Railroads changed everything but they weren't in the radar when the canal building began. 

And the canals probably generated a lot of the capital and momentum to build railways. 

Bear in mind, UK canals were remarkably narrow by European standards. My nearest one was built to take Thames barges over half it's length. That's just 20 feet beam, 80 to 90 feet long. Ship canals, particularly  those built on the continent, are much larger.

[Markus Becker]

4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Bear in mind, UK canals were remarkably narrow by European standards. My nearest one was built to take Thames barges over half it's length. That's just 20 feet beam, 80 to 90 feet long. Ship canals, particularly  those built on the continent, are much larger.

So be it but it wasn't European canals they competed with. Just English roads and if you utterly outclass them it's an economic win. 

[sunday]

14 minutes ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

If somehow irrefutable evidence were found that there was no conspiracy to kill Trump, would that make those who believe there was a conspiracy feel worse, or better?

There are still people that do not believe we got to the Moon, or people that claim there is no God.

I think there is no thing as as irrefutable evidence that would make some people to accept a fact as a fact when they do not want to.

[Stuart Galbraith]

13 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

So be it but it wasn't European canals they competed with. Just English roads and if you utterly outclass them it's an economic win. 

Well, bear in mind those canals were still in use to the late 1950s, early 60s before they fell out of use. The lack of tonnage they could carry clearly did result in a lack of competitiveness compared to central European nations. It's indicative of being the first industrial nation, and being handicapped by many of the choices ever since.

 

BTW, found this.

 

[Murph]

17 hours ago, shep854 said:

Those fools who wish for a Trump assassination fail to understand the anger that a lot of quiet, decent, law-abiding Americans will finally act on.

I am very afraid of that.  

[DB]

1 hour ago, Markus Becker said:

Yes, the sugar islands and India were very lucrative at the time but I was thinking post 45. 

Loosing the Empire might not have been a key factor in the economic decline. 

Definitely not. 

The war destroyed our currency reserves and the specialisation of industries for war production with little opportunity to think ahead and make them easily adaptable to a post-war economy were also significant. I suppose Russia could take note of where the current conflict may lead them.

I think that we spent the Marshall Plan money and everything that we had left on things that seemed worthwhile, but which may have been achievable on slower timescales with better allocation to rebuilding a robust economy. We had a fairly optimistic  period in the early 50s, but by the early 70s we were a complete basket case, for reasons that have been discussed in other topics before, although with less a forensic intent and more the "let's beat Stuart to death with the failure of Socialist ideology" intent that serves as a discussion of the UK in that topic.

[bojan]

On 7/19/2024 at 6:05 PM, Markus Becker said:

I'm surprised this hasn't summoned @bojan yet. 😂

I was on 3-day road trip to the mountains of central Serbia. Did not even turn phone on.

On topic, military acceptance standard is not what guns shoot, it is what maximum allowed dispersion is. Hence if army standard is 4 MoA, some guns might or might not shoot batter (most will do), but no gun should shoot over that.

Edited July 21, 2024 by bojan

[DB]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Well, bear in mind those canals were still in use to the late 1950s, early 60s before they fell out of use. The lack of tonnage they could carry clearly did result in a lack of competitiveness compared to central European nations. It's indicative of being the first industrial nation, and being handicapped by many of the choices ever since.

 

BTW, found this.

 

Perhaps you could explain why that "quote" from Trump appears to be an image and not a re-tweet.

Show me the original post and I might begin to believe that your posting this is in good faith, and not more bullshit credulous disinformation peddling.