Because Trump 2.0

[Mikel2]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

So you tell us why Abrams continuing claims to have really won the last election have any validity?

I am old enough to remember:

- 2000:  "Selected, not elected"

- 2004: "Ohio counting machines tampered with"

- 2016: "Russia!!!!"

   But now doubting the legitimacy of an election is a heinous act.

 

[rmgill]

Milo is like that hanging chad that election supervisors are supposed to know if it was meant to be punched or not and get to intuit from the voters intent when they punched several on the same election position. 

[MiloMorai]

Trump held in contempt of court for failure to comply with New York AG's subpoena (msn.com)

Engoron imposed a daily fine of $10,000 until Trump is fully compliant or offers sufficient proof he has nothing more to turn over.

[R011]

3 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

fify

No you haven't.  You're just deflecting from having to prove your claims about Abrams.  So tell us why her continuing claims to have really won the last election have any validity?

[R011]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Trump held in contempt of court for failure to comply with New York AG's subpoena (msn.com)

Engoron imposed a daily fine of $10,000 until Trump is fully compliant or offers sufficient proof he has nothing more to turn over.

An elected judge who ran as a Democrat.  I'm sure there was no bias there.

[MiloMorai]

20 hours ago, R011 said:

No you haven't.  You're just deflecting from having to prove your claims about Abrams.  So tell us why her continuing claims to have really won the last election have any validity?

Her claims have been debunked as have Trump's. I don't see her continually harping on a 'rigged election' like Trump does. Trump's continuing harping on a 'rigged election' is dangerous for the USA. 

[R011]

16 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

Her claims have been debunked as have Trump's. I don't see her continually harping on a 'rigged election' like Trump does. Trump's continuing harping on a 'rigged election' is dangerous for the USA. 

In fact, she's still litigating the outcome.

[MiloMorai]

She is?

[DKTanker]

1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

Her claims have been debunked as have Trump's. I don't see her continually harping on a 'rigged election' like Trump does. Trump's continuing harping on a 'rigged election' is dangerous for the USA. 

The eight years of harping by Democrats that Al Gore was robbed of the 2000 election, was it dangerous for the USA? 

The most dangerous thing for the USA, exemplified by the election of a Joe Biden, is the near six year clamp down of dissenting speech.  It has taken a wealthy African American to restore some semblance of free speech to the public domain.  Sadly, it may be for naught as leftists (Obama), afraid that dissenting speech may sway people away from their propaganda, are even now calling for 1st amendment work arounds to promote censorship.  Apparently one of those work arounds is for the US government to encourage Big Tech to run all their information through countries that don't have such 1st amendment protections (Canada, most of Europe, China...)so that information electronically disseminated within the US can be censored.

[EchoFiveMike]

The shit eaters have been doing essentially the same fuckery in the intelligence sphere with 5 eyes for decades.

"We have laws against spying on AMCIT's, let's get the limeys/canucks/some other wogs to do it for us!  It's totally legit that way!"

S/F....Ken M

[MiloMorai]

Lots of whataboutism.🙂

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Lots of whataboutism.🙂

No, it's a question of standards. 

Sorry, You have right now, the mass media complex, and Intelligence agency chiefs who all signed on and suppressed a story from the Oldest News Paper in the US about the corruption of in the family of the sitting president during his election run, the call being that the information NOW lauded as true by the same media, was called Russian disinformation at the time and likely swayed the election in Joe's favor. 

That's not whataboutism, that's "what the fuck are you talking about Willis!?!?"

Edited April 27, 2022 by rmgill

[MiloMorai]

So what corruption in the current POTUS family?

Russia certainly didn't want Biden as the Prez.

[R011]

On 4/26/2022 at 3:33 PM, MiloMorai said:

She is?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/election-lawsuit-backed-by-stacey-abrams-goes-to-trial-in-georgia

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

So what corruption in the current POTUS family?

Hunter gets jobs with various people. Paid Hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy influence. He holds that money for his dad. He hands that money off to his dad or pays for large expenses for his dad with that money. His dad in turn does things for that influence. This i

This is bog standard influence peddling.

Jimmy Carter came under some fire for the bad behavior of his brother, while he was never implicated, it was clearly a problem that his brother was an albatross around his neck. 

Milo, if you're a politician is it appropriate if I give your wife or another family member, a Million dollar deal/job in exchange for no actual services and then apparently expect influence on your behalf by way of that payment? Do you not see how this presents integrity issues?

Does $7 Million in random "windfalls" from sound interesting ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10728521/Financial-records-reveal-Joe-Biden-5-2million-unexplained-income.html

1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

Russia certainly didn't want Biden as the Prez.

Which is deflection at it's best and deliberate obtuseness at worse. None of that has to do with RUSSIA and everything to do what was actually found and which has been lent credibility by the original source drive AND 

Opining that Russia wants something doesn't make it that Russia actually did so. Opining that it is fact is wrong. Clamping down on the story in a grand example of partisan censorship is entirely wrong headed. 

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/election-lawsuit-backed-by-stacey-abrams-goes-to-trial-in-georgia

Oh and on that. When Georgia Democrats bitched about voter problems in Georgia. You know where they cited the problems? In heavy D districts where the Democrats more or less control the county government and where the largest quantity of control over the voting system is by their own board of electors, run at the county level. Fulton especially has the largest issue with claims of "voter intimidation" and delays due to polls being cramped, over populated and what not. Never mind that the local board of electors RUNS those and if they have problems it's a local issue and not one of the state GOP having more than an observational witness say in how things are run. 

I saw this stuff being bandied about by lefties in Atlanta going back to Bush's elections and initially asked questions but could never get anything more than vague arguments/claims of intimidation and the like. We get to Abrams' election and it's screech city. Then Trump loses and they're all quiet.

The GOP and arguably neutral third party complaints of specific issues of odd ballots that were not folded or chain of custody are FAR more specific and addressable IF one takes the time to specifically address them. They're as clear as a cash register not matching up with printed receipts. Arguably it could be innocuous but if someone is doing the equivalent of setting the register drawer with cash out on it and leaving it unattended on the check out line for 10 minutes there's a problem even if no theft occurs in the first place. 

[MiloMorai]

Is that like Trump giving his kids and SIL jobs in the WH?

Ivanka's dealing with China when daddy was Prez.

Then there is the $2B SA deal Jared got.

LOL, the Daily Mail. Guess we will find out soon as the IRS will be auditing Joe's tax filing which he just released.

 

It is not deflection. Wasn't only USA election results that Russia influenced.

[MiloMorai]

1. Lost by an landslide BIG TIME To Joe Biden..why didn’t he leave? Like he said he would if he lost

2. Lost every re-count

3.Lost : plug the toilet with paper because he’s full of shit

4. Lost every hand recount

5. Lost!! Big time Accountanting firm don’t want nothing to do with him.

6. Lost Over 86 court cases and thrown out lack of “evidence”!!

7. Lost Popular vote twice

8. Lost 2020 electoral College vote.

9. Lost every State certification

10. Lost Congress certification

9. Lost Georgia recount 3 times

(“Fellas, I need 11,800 votes, Give me a beak “)

10. Lost Facebook Banned 1/23

11. Lost Twitter 10/21 permanent BAND!!

12. Lost: Emolument LAW’s.. 3.75 Million in profits, from 33 countries and Fox entertainment

13. Lost YouTube

14. Lost: publish a picture book because he doesn’t know how to write.

13. Lost his own social media platform

14. Lost: Impeach 2 times

15. Lost PGA Tour 2022 Bedminster

16. Lost GOP senate 1st GOP to do so

17. Lost GOP House 1st GOP to do so Ever!!

18. LOST! All 3 levels courts cases for his January 6th attempted coup text records.

19. Lost!!! tRump Took classified documents. WTF

20. Lost GOP 2nd term presidency … First time in decades to do so….

21. Lost: his and republicans attempted coup

22. Lost General Milley .. he had to keep America safe from a crazy man

23. LOST:! 7 state Fake documents signed by Republicans electoral votes

24. Lost: NDA case of Omarosa Book.

25. Lost: “VP-Mike Pence “.. threw out tRump fake GOP electors 7 swing states votes … So House with the most delegations win.

26. Lost: display of President Bush and President Clinton‘s portrait

27. Lost:!! Removing US mailboxes because He didn’t want mail in ballots.

28. Lost Stephanie Grisham “ It was a mistake working for Trump”

29. Lost property value everywhere!!!

30. Lost: Forbes magazine top 400 Falling off the list richest men

31. Lost tRump Plaza Hotel (blown up) In Atlantic City

32. Lost: hiding his tax returns (just lost the last court battle on hiding his tax returns)

33. LOST: Step 6th 2016, “ not delete or destroy documents for the national archives “ But he did!!!

34. Lost: demarcate COVID hoax !! blaming everybody but himself.

35. Lost “Mike Lindell’s MIND!!! “ August 13 Trump will be in office again “WTF!! Now before Thanksgiving!!!

36. LOST!! February 2020 surrendered to the Taliban document signed by Trump

37. LOST: the Elite strikeforce lawyers 4th defamation lawsuit.

38. LOST “Arizona 3 times counted by his own supporters “ yielding 360 additional votes for Biden.!!!

39. Lost 3 Times court battle to eliminate the affordable care act.

40. LOST: blackmailing Ukraine President appropriations so he can say Biden son was under investigation.

41. LOST:!! Building the border wall in Texas stealing peoples land.

42. Lost Rudy Giuliani law license and not helping him financially

43. Lost: Sidney Katherine Powell banned from entering tRump properties.

44. Lost: GOP leaders secretly Cashing in on your marketing skills while planning to get rid of you.

45. Lost !! supporters are Suckered ,there will be a new date every time. “stuck on stupid.!!!!!”

46. Lost “dozens” OF books published on how much he’s a loser

47. Lost. “Money” Donating to a billionaire and he keeps it for himself. “He has spent nothing on audits” AND wants More!!

48. Lost: 1.3 million charging Secret Service for staying at his properties.

49. LOST: praising President Putin calling him a genius.

50. LOST: 150 year tradition broken .Inauguration. Obama’s portrait

51. LOST: 14th Amendment, section 3…???

52. I’m nauseated.(Fox-registered as FCC entertainment Tucker Carlson was not smart enough for Harvard )

53. Lost Fox entertainment 2.7 billion defamation lawsuit is going forward.

54. LOST!!!!! Trump, Mike Pompeo, John R. Bolton, tried to weaken NATO and Russia president Putin couldn’t ask for a better puppet.

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Is that like Trump giving his kids and SIL jobs in the WH?

No. Because President has the power to hire whomever he wants. Just like presidents have given their wives (Hillary) job to work on legislation and what not. Or Presidents appoint someone arguably qualified for a task. Like Bobby Kennedy appointed as US Attorney General by his older brother. He also appointed his son in law, Sargent Shriver, as the director of the Peace Corps. 

Are those in or out of bounds. Have you EVER complained of Hillary being appointed by Bill to do what ever she was doing in the White House? Have you ever complained about Bobby Kennedy? 
 

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Ivanka's dealing with China when daddy was Prez.

Was she being paid by China WHILE working for her father? You're talking about the trademark approvals? 

Was she paid for her work for her father out of US federal funds? President Trump himself didn't take any pay as I recall. 

That's the same as being paid Hundreds of thousands of dollars right? 

I think if you're going to bitch about this you best understand the difference between a paid position which is by a foreign government /corporation and a family appointment to a position which is an extension of the president's office in a capacity of trust which has no pay from the foreign government or corporation OR by US tax payers. 

That you can't discern the differences there shows how absurd your position is. 

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Then there is the $2B SA deal Jared got.

AFTER Trump left office. Precisely what influence is Jared going to get Trump to exert as FORMER president vs as President. 

Timing is everything here.

Former Presidents get jobs for having been president. That's different than getting paid FOR the influence you have AS a politician. Do you understand the difference yet? 

Quid Pro Quo, aka something for something. Paying for advice AFTER wards isn't the same as paying for influence before or during the tenure in elected office. 
 

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

LOL, the Daily Mail. Guess we will find out soon as the IRS will be auditing Joe's tax filing which he just released.

LOL you didn't address the point of unreported filings. 

What you file and what you don't file is VERY much the devil in the detail. And right now, expecting the IRS to actually investigate the sitting president after the Lois Learner affair....MAX CADY LOL. 

2 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

It is not deflection. Wasn't only USA election results that Russia influenced.

Of course the Russians influenced elections. They've been doing that since the 1917s. DUH. The question isn't the influence. the question is the Quid Pro Quo. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by rmgill

[R011]

There is little point reading the whole diatribe as its credibility is shot on point 1.  Trump did leave. He left right when he was supposed to the day his term ended exactly as every President before and since.

Oh, and the last one about how Trump wanted to weaken Nato.  Was this by demanding Nato actually live up to the commitment to increase defnce spending to 2% of GDP?

Edited April 28, 2022 by R011

[Detonable]

10 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

So what corruption in the current POTUS family?

Russia certainly didn't want Biden as the Prez.

  That’s insane. Biden promised to shut down the US oil industry and has succeeded to the point that the price of oil has doubled. Putin desperately needed that to finance the current war. With Trump in power his oil income would be half of what it is now. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

4 hours ago, R011 said:

There is little point reading the whole diatribe as its credibility is shot on point 1.  Trump did leave. He left right when he was supposed to the day his term ended exactly as every President before and since.

Oh, and the last one about how Trump wanted to weaken Nato.  Was this by demanding Nato actually live up to the commitment to increase defnce spending to 2% of GDP?

He failed though. The only thing that made Germany increase defence funding was a new Chancellor, and Europe being invaded by Russia. Oh, he achieved a modest increase, ill give him that. But it could have been an awful lot more if he had pointed out the Russian threat, which by 2017 has become readily apparent, rather than that 'Waaah, its my ball and im going home!' approach, which is what it amounted to.

Obama also completely failed in this regard of course.

I think its pretty clear that Trump wanted to wind up NATO. He boasted many times it was out of date. And its on record (one can argue about its accuracy, but I believe it) that Mattis talked him out of it by pointing what a huge amount of firepower NATO, even in its denuded form, brought to any war America might be in. Not to mention keeping the US defence industry in work.

That he didnt do x or y, does not mean that wasnt his stated platform or he didnt have the intent. He said he wanted to get rid of NATO, and If his word is apparently good enough when he speaks on other topics, its surely good enough on that single point for me.

[DKTanker]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

He failed though. The only thing that made Germany increase defence funding was a new Chancellor, and Europe being invaded by Russia. Oh, he achieved a modest increase, ill give him that. But it could have been an awful lot more if he had pointed out the Russian threat, which by 2017 has become readily apparent,

Europeans needed a dullard an ocean away in Washington to point out the menacing bear to their immediate east?

And then yadda yadda yadda Trump wanted to get rid of NATO.  The fact of the matter is no president can get rid of NATO, not without senatorial consent.  In any case, Trump was echoing the sentiments of most Americans, that if the Europeans weren't interested in financing their own defense why bother having an entangling defense treaty?

[Stuart Galbraith]

8 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Europeans needed a dullard an ocean away in Washington to point out the menacing bear to their immediate east?

And then yadda yadda yadda Trump wanted to get rid of NATO.  The fact of the matter is no president can get rid of NATO, not without senatorial consent.  In any case, Trump was echoing the sentiments of most Americans, that if the Europeans weren't interested in financing their own defense why bother having an entangling defense treaty?

No. But he is supposedly the smartest guy in the room, so why didnt he see it? Fuck me, even I saw it coming, and Im hardly mensa level.

How do you get rid of NATO? Easy. You withdraw all US troops, and tell Europeans that even if there is an article 5, he wont support it. He came close to that by ridiculing a newly joining member, and his incredulity at the expectation he would be expected to defend it.  If he had done all that, then it doesnt matter what the senate says.  its hardly as if he would get impeached for avoiding American participating in a war.

If Europeans are not interested in NATO, what were they doing in Afghanistan? Its the question I keep asking, and from the Trump supporters, and I never receive a cohesive answer. Indeed it seems for the most part to be complete astonishment that there were soldiers from Europe there at all, and those that do, completely underrate the numbers present or casualties sustained. Must be the Liberal media establishment you fellas are always complaining about.

Edited April 28, 2022 by Stuart Galbraith

[Detonable]

Losing?