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Two things and here's a crazy thought that I suspect almost all of even Trump's most rabid supporters would have cheerfully agreed to a year ago: any protester who uses violence or causes significant property damage (>$100) gets prosecuted to the extent of the law 100% of the time.  Had we as a nation agreed to that we would all be in better shape.  Instead we spent a year (really several years) watching protests that did over a billion with a B dollars of property damage, 30+ deaths, hundreds of police injured with many with permanent disabilities, and the Democrats overtly supported it.  VP Harris even rallied to pay their bail.  Police stations and federal buildings with federal employees inside were burned and bombed with activists on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram using their services to coordinate and crow about their violent successes.  We heard over and over again that it was a tiny minority of criminals in their ranks and the rest were mostly peaceful.

Now we have the President elect of the USA slamming every peaceful protester as a neo-Nazi.  For doing the exact same thing that his party gave a pass to at best or actively supported at worst for the past year.  Perhaps I'm biased but I care more for a policeman in a burning station far more than a Congressman, Republican or Democrat, who have cheerfully gotten us into this mess to keep the money flowing.  Had Trump won what we saw with the capitol building would have been nothing compared to what we would have seen with riots and federal buildings on fire.  Everyone knows it.  Reports are coming out the Capitol police officer that died had a medical emergency and was not attacked.  Think that will get play in the news?  I've been reading how the Biden administration is led by a kind and competent man who will bring us together.  Can anyone point me to an action from him or the Democrats in the last week to validate this?  Because I seem to have a ton of contrary evidence.  Fortunately, the Democrats apparently have 20,000 pages of a Patriots Act 2 to inflict on us already (Man do they write quickly!) that I'm sure will target domestic terrorists in a way that allows Antifa and BLM to proceed unchanged, keep the nightly Portland riots going, but will clamp down on a ton of non-violent conservative activities and thought.  I expect people to keep telling me how bad Trump was for years when he didn't do the clamping down on the opposition that the Democrats have done BEFORE they even take power in three days.  Trump is a fascist but the left just shut down and cowed most public conservative speech in 3 days and somehow they aren't fascistic?  It's all OK though because a fascist is fine as long as he mostly leaves your side alone and harms those you dislike.  Good rule set, I'm sure that won't teach any troubling lessons to the 74 million people who voted for the Democrats.  If you wanted to create a rightist Hitler this is how you would do it.  Because I guarantee you that if things don't change soon the right is going to come to the conclusion that they are in a fight to the death with an enemy that wants to destroy them and the problem with Trump was he was a pussy.  What we need is a real man.  Put it this way, the Democrats seem hell bent on proving to the right that E5M is not only correct but is too gentle.  

Second Amazon and Apple and Google just coordinated to take down Parler, the Twitter alternative.  Servers, apps, etc.  Pornhub, which had to change its policies recently because it was the hub for criminal organizations abducting and enslaving women and making them do porn for money still has a Twitter page. G-Mail which is the nexus for child pornography still exists.  The Ayatollah of Iran has his Twitter page.  The CCP writes tweets about how sterilized Muslim women are better off; still has their page.  Apple makes its products using demonstrated slave labor.  No uprising against them. But you know, they are all private companies so what can you do?  It's certainly odd how Democrats believe in regulating every small business and god help you if you are a normal corporation because we know they thirst to pollute the land and exploit their workers.  Weird that their drive to regulate the behavior of businesses seems to dry up when it comes to companies dedicated to protecting and expanding the Democrats power and influence.

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The Spanish Civil War happened because half of Spain did not give up in order to be murdered.

Are civil wars bad? Yes, they are.

Is living under a Left Totalitarian regime bad? Yes, it is.

What is worse? Well, what do you think?

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21 minutes ago, nitflegal said:

Because I guarantee you that if things don't change soon the right is going to come to the conclusion that they are in a fight to the death with an enemy that wants to destroy them

Unfortunately that has increasingly been the rethoric on either side for the last one or two decades already, spreading from the respective fringes. Events we've seen over the last year are the result of all the talk about civil war, reeducation camps, taking away our rights ("our" as in gun owners, women, blacks, the list goes on), presidents declaring martial law to stay on beyond the end of their term, we must finally play hardball like the other side always does, all means are permitted since they will use them anyway, etc., etc. I warned when I came back into this thread some months ago that there is a German term of bringing something about by talking of it enough, herbeireden. Once people start acting on it, development merely accelerates through a self-reinforcing spiral of rethoric and events.

The talk of violent minorities is usually true, like in the current case; of a couple ten thousand protesters, only a couple hundred will come prepared to smash things and skulls, though some of the rest may go along to some degree depending upon crowd dynamics. Of course if you create a general atmosphere of lawlessness, restraints will sooner or later break down completely, and if it's just for widespread opportunistic looting. But even if not, the supporting camp will rarely disavow the violent minority to not fracture the base and give the opposition a moral win, instead saying stuff like "we don't endorse their actions, but understand their anger, and that's really the other side's fault; look what you made them do!" or "well they just responded to the violence first perpetrated by the other side".

At best they'll claim those guys weren't really their's but some infiltrators trying to make the cause look bad, like in the current case. That's nothing new either, leftists have routinely blamed undercover police agent provocateurs in their ranks for inciting riots since forever. 

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9 hours ago, rmgill said:

You took this long to figure out the Babylon Bee is a satire sight. You have little room to be questioning people's critical thinking skills. 

Question yours anyway. You see stuff that is not there.😁

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1 hour ago, sunday said:

The Spanish Civil War happened because half of Spain did not give up in order to be murdered.

Are civil wars bad? Yes, they are.

Is living under a Left Totalitarian regime bad? Yes, it is.

What is worse? Well, what do you think?

Going by the Spanish example a civil war is preferable.

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10 hours ago, rmgill said:

No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and the gross inconstancy as to what shootings are unreasonable to the left and those that are not. 

If you can't see the fact that ANTIFA has been rioting over the past 3 nights about the police shooting of a man at a domestic violence dispute who was armed with a knife, then I can't help you see the larger issue.

While everyone is complaining about riots being wrong to be done by the right, the left is STILL rioting in a city they've been doing this in for nearly ALL bloody year. 

Is rioting wrong or not? If it's wrong, why is the left STILL doing it? 

And, why does the left hold up predatory dirtbags as saints and work to destroy anyone who's of the wrong group or doesn't toe the party line? It's like out of the Gulag Archipelago. Violent predatory criminals were the guards for the political criminals. 

 

 

Brianna Taylor was a dirt bag?  Anyhow, it's irrelevant.

 

No one has the right to attack the capitol building.  NO ONE.  

 

Again, I ask what civil unrest over race issues has to do with people trashing the Capitol building in an illegal effort to overturn a free and fair election?

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14 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Again, I ask what civil unrest over race issues has to do with people trashing the Capitol building in an illegal effort to overturn a free and fair election?

Was it? That is the bug question that still is completely unanswered and if those tech companies that run the voting machines and software then unite to silence any opposition to the result, it looks extremely suspicious to say the least. 

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1 minute ago, seahawk said:

Was it? That is the bug question that still is completely unanswered and if those tech companies that run the voting machines and software then unite to silence any opposition to the result, it looks extremely suspicious to say the least. 

 

Ah yes, the voting machines that Hugo Chavez altered from the grave, or some such nonsense.  Trump's idiot lawyers have lost what, 50 court cases trying to allege fraud while presenting nothing but heresy and embarrassingly unimpressive witnesses.  Meanwhile, not a single, credible election monitoring organization has alleged or discovered fraud.  Trump lost.  It's not that hard to understand.  Unpopular presidents lose elections.  What's so hard about that?

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We can write off Forbes magazine, it appears;

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2021/01/07/a-truth-reckoning-why-were-holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/?sh=7cf8be075710

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So what’s the parallel in the dark arts of communication? Simple: Don’t let the chronic liars cash in on their dishonesty. Press secretaries like Joe Lockhart, Ari Fleischer and Jay Carney, who left the White House with their reputations in various stages of intact, made millions taking their skills — and credibility — to corporate America. Trump’s liars don’t merit that same golden parachute. Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.

Then, later in the piece;

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This isn’t cancel culture, which is a societal blight. (There’s surely a nice living for each of these press secretaries on the true-believer circuit.) Nor is this politically motivated, as Forbes’ pro-entrepreneur, pro-growth worldview has generally placed it in the right-of-center camp over the past century — this standard needs to apply to liars from either party. It’s just a realization that, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said, in a thriving democracy, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Our national reset starts there.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Ah yes, the voting machines that Hugo Chavez altered from the grave, or some such nonsense.  Trump's idiot lawyers have lost what, 50 court cases trying to allege fraud while presenting nothing but heresy and embarrassingly unimpressive witnesses.  Meanwhile, not a single, credible election monitoring organization has alleged or discovered fraud.  Trump lost.  It's not that hard to understand.  Unpopular presidents lose elections.  What's so hard about that?

60. 60 court cases. But who's counting.

The dynamic changed. We went from believing objective evidence of reality,to believing that what we want to be true, is true.

Why? Because there is always a convenient narrative in the internet that proves our personal hobby horse is true. Yes, even for flat earthers.

https://metro.co.uk/2016/07/19/here-are-10-proofs-that-the-earth-is-actually-flat-not-round-6016710/

 

 

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1 hour ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Brianna Taylor was a dirt bag?  Anyhow, it's irrelevant.

 

No one has the right to attack the capitol building.  NO ONE.  

 

Again, I ask what civil unrest over race issues has to do with people trashing the Capitol building in an illegal effort to overturn a free and fair election?

Because if some people are allowed to riot with near impunity, including attacking the Judicial Branch, why shouldn't others be allowed to do similar acts?  Especially when they're less destructive.

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1 hour ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

Brianna Taylor was a dirt bag?  Anyhow, it's irrelevant.

 

No one has the right to attack the capitol building.  NO ONE.  

 

Again, I ask what civil unrest over race issues has to do with people trashing the Capitol building in an illegal effort to overturn a free and fair election?

 

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7 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

Not that you don't have (personally prolly not) a history of armed insurrection ;)

In a city named for George Washington? How do you figure?

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2 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

Brianna Taylor was a dirt bag?  Anyhow, it's irrelevant.

There has been enough coverage of the warrant, the underlying evidence and the execution of the warrant for you to answer your own question.

Her boyfriend shot at the cops executing the warrant. One officer was hit in the femoral artery. Serious enough fire return fire I think. Evidence pointed to Taylor assisting Glover in his criminal drug dealing. After full digging that appears wrong, but I can see why the police based their warrant on that. did you even look?
 

I know a rather pretty girl. She's been convicted of receiving controlled substances. She even did it through the mail (how she was caught). If she wanted me to receive a package for her what do you think the wise response should be?
 

Is that enough for you? Or are you going to ask an obtuse question again about the brown case and the hands up don't shoot narrative?

2 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

 

No one has the right to attack the capitol building.  NO ONE.  
 

No one has the right to attack court houses either. Or homes. Or businesses. And yet they do. And democrats pay the bail money. Publicly. 
 

I am not going to hold congressmen and their aids up as more hallowed than regular people. If you feel that the in effect nobility should not be harmed (strange considering the attacks on the GOP members of late) but that regular folks can be preyed upon with no concern, I really question your view of civics. 
 

To be clear, on of the jobs of our government is to protect the rights if the citizens. If lefty rioters can do so over and over again, is government doing their job ? If members of that government tacitly approve of those criminals. 

2 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said:

Again, I ask what civil unrest over race issues has to do with people trashing the Capitol building in an illegal effort to overturn a free and fair election?

Because it's civil unrest. Same as people trashing a court house which is one third of the government system we have. Same as people attacking private property which our government is supposed to protect. 
 

There are rules. This isn't 'Nam. But they left has decided they can violate those rules. Smoky is doing a hell of a lot note than putting a toe over the line. 

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2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

The dynamic changed. We went from believing objective evidence of reality,to believing that what we want to be true, is true.

 

Hands up don't shoot!

Now I know Larry Elder isn't on your approved list of media personalities, but you ought to give him a listen anyhow. 
 

 

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25 minutes ago, sunday said:

Having WMD and using them is not the same, as the post-WWII wars show.

spoilsport!

Imagine North Dakota nuking Atlanta and B-52s out of Barkswell get going at NY!

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1 hour ago, R011 said:

Because if some people are allowed to riot with near impunity, including attacking the Judicial Branch, why shouldn't others be allowed to do similar acts?  Especially when they're less destructive.

So 2 wrongs now make a right? 

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1 minute ago, RETAC21 said:

So 2 wrongs now make a right? 

Nope. 2 wrongs are 2 wrongs, not 1 wrong and 1 right, depending on who is doing the wrong. You have been able to see this in Spain with, for instance, the ETA terrorist group.

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16 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

spoilsport!

Imagine North Dakota nuking Atlanta and B-52s out of Barkswell get going at NY!

Lets hold the nukes in reserve for the inevitable mutation of COVID-19 into a zompocalyptic event. Of course we all want to nuke NYC, DC, the Bay Area, and LA; however, lets wait until we have casus belli for doing so.

 

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