Colin Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I know several US Citizens who voted Trump first time around and will not vote for him this time. I think he was in the right place at the right time when he was in. However I think the world has changed and he has not stayed in sync with it. I don't personally care whether he gets in from a US domestic view, but I don't like his current foreign policy outlook, as it will not be good for the west in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I think he will be better than the current roomba in chief vis a vis foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Which means anything less than global thermonuclear war can be called a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 You still think the president that didn't preside over 11 Embassy evacuations and a 3 fold increase in wars will get us into more wars by default? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Thinking != Parroting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/25/2024 at 9:24 PM, rmgill said: You still think the president that didn't preside over 11 Embassy evacuations and a 3 fold increase in wars will get us into more wars by default? I think if he portays himself as a pussy, and as a result, he is going to get fucked. So does Biden incidentally, which is why I was hoping you would do something sensible for once, like nominate Chuck Norris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/25/2024 at 9:35 PM, sunday said: Thinking != Parroting Havent you got a torture chamber that needs staffing? Look, a Heretic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/25/2024 at 10:21 AM, Colin said: I know several US Citizens who voted Trump first time around and will not vote for him this time. I think he was in the right place at the right time when he was in. However I think the world has changed and he has not stayed in sync with it. I don't personally care whether he gets in from a US domestic view, but I don't like his current foreign policy outlook, as it will not be good for the west in general. I do! And this is the most important part by far!! The danger to the U.S. is the left, not foreign affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Rick said: I do! And this is the most important part by far!! The danger to the U.S. is the left, not foreign affairs. Not sure if "throwing the allies under the bus" (as Trump has threatened quite a few times) is very good policy either domestically or as foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Rick said: I do! And this is the most important part by far!! The danger to the U.S. is the left, not foreign affairs. “Domestic policy can only defeat us; foreign policy can kill us'' John F Kennedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Rick said: I do! And this is the most important part by far!! The danger to the U.S. is the left, not foreign affairs. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 4 hours ago, Sardaukar said: Not sure if "throwing the allies under the bus" (as Trump has threatened quite a few times) is very good policy either domestically or as foreign policy. How many allies are trying to sunbathe in the street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 More appropriately, how many Ukrainians are dying because Trump waved his magic wand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 41 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: More appropriately, how many Ukrainians are dying because Trump waved his magic wand? None. Biden owns that war. IMO, the idiot gave a green light to an idiot in Kyiv to launch an attack on a rebel enclave backed by a nuclear power that can wipe the US off the face of the Earth in two hours. The only ways to get that level of stupid is to be born with it or vote for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, glenn239 said: None. Biden owns that war. IMO, the idiot gave a green light to an idiot in Kyiv to launch an attack on a rebel enclave backed by a nuclear power that can wipe the US off the face of the Earth in two hours. The only ways to get that level of stupid is to be born with it or vote for it. Nobody owns war. You can participate in one, you may kid yourself you are controlling one, but you dont own own one. And as for your very clear fiction about Ukraine starting this war, you were proven wrong on that multiple times on the other thread, because you could never provide any evidence it was reality. Cant prove it? It didnt happen. No, Trump has upset the natural order of things. America was dumping its defunct and decaying hardware on a country that needed help, and Trump decided that giving Biden any form of foreign success was a bad idea. Or maybe its as simple of him being Putin's poodle. Perhaps Trump has daddy reasons why he keeps trying to hump the leg of strong men. And Ukrainians are dying from it. Men, Women, children. But dont let it worry you or disturb your evening any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Nobody owns war. Then why the hell did you just try to blame it on Trump’s magic wand? 2 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: You can participate in one, you may kid yourself you are controlling one, but you dont own own one. And as for your very clear fiction about Ukraine starting this war, you were proven wrong on that multiple times on the other thread, because you could never provide any evidence it was reality. Cant prove it? It didnt happen. Either way you can also own Biden goving the green light so long as its a minor incursion. With no stop line. This war, insofar as US foreign policy goes is all Biden. Period. Stop evading that. 2 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: No, Trump has upset the natural order of things. What natural order is that? Russia invaded and seized the Crimea under Obama. Was that Trump too? 2 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: America was dumping its defunct and decaying hardware on a country that needed help, and Trump decided that giving Biden any form of foreign success was a bad idea. Maybe we could get a complete list of what the US has sent. Mind you as its valued at more than the entire annual budget of the UK’s MOD is something you should just suck up and shut up about. 2 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Or maybe its as simple of him being Putin's poodle. This again? Seriously. Give it a rest. Given you were proven wrong before. Stop beating that drum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Well, Trump's idea seem to be USA isolationism. And if this is his idea about Ukraine (though second hand info from Orban): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68533351 Then we are definitely into interesting times. Trump already questioned validity of Article 5. Great way to encourage Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Trump is telling Putin the west is for sale, all he has to do is name a price. Although knowing what a fucking idiot Putin is, he will probably foul that up too, even if he is pushing at an open door. If you want to make the case that the world is stronger for x or y candidate, you have to prove that one of them has a backbone. Both have proven they dont, on several occasions. So in the end, what is there to argue about? The west is coming to an end, because Americans cant see beyond their own narrow political bias. That there are still people on this grate site after the events of 911 that still think America can pull up the drawbridge and retreat into comfy isolation, just show how deep the level of delusion and misinformation has become. It wasnt true during the cold war, in the age of Qanon the only real difference is you wont worry about it till the missiles hit. Me, im stocking up the inner refuge. If nothing else it will be useful if the Sandworms turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 47 minutes ago, Sardaukar said: Well, Trump's idea seem to be USA isolationism. More Jeffersonian leaning foreign policy. But the Abraham accords and his policy in Syria was a small mix of Wilsonian and Jacksonian policy Some here complain when the US is too Wilsonian, or Hamiltonian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 38 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Trump is telling Putin the west is for sale, all he has to do is name a price. No he’s telling YOU Europeans that if you don’t buck the hell up, you will be for the taking. 38 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Although knowing what a fucking idiot Putin is, he will probably foul that up too, even if he is pushing at an open door. Putin is no idiot. 38 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: If you want to make the case that the world is stronger for x or y candidate, you have to prove that one of them has a backbone. I swear, did you reload your political memory backups from 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 WHERE IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PROSECUTING THIS? Oh, I forgot Jon Stewart is a Democrat, never mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 hours ago, glenn239 said: None. Biden owns that war. IMO, the idiot gave a green light to an idiot in Kyiv to launch an attack on a rebel enclave backed by a nuclear power that can wipe the US off the face of the Earth in two hours. The only ways to get that level of stupid is to be born with it or vote for it. Ah yes, the completely unsubstantiated “Biden green lighted Ukraine “ theory, which assumes a Ukrainian offensive was going to happen and that Zelensky needed Biden’s permission for some reason if there was. Anything to make it Biden’s fault rather than Putin’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Get your free, 60 Dollar King Trump Bible! Call now whilst stocks last, but do call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 10 hours ago, Sardaukar said: Not sure if "throwing the allies under the bus" (as Trump has threatened quite a few times) is very good policy either domestically or as foreign policy. It's not "throwing anyone under a bus, it's the "allies" being more responsible, ie as N.A.T.O. is doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Josh said: Ah yes, the completely unsubstantiated “Biden green lighted Ukraine “ theory, which assumes a Ukrainian offensive was going to happen and that Zelensky needed Biden’s permission for some reason if there was. Anything to make it Biden’s fault rather than Putin’s. Putin would have done what he did regardless who the U.S. President was or is. And even without the U.S., N.A.T.O. has the ability to stop Russia and to supply the Ukrainians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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