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4 hours ago, Murph said:

Only in local races.

I've voted for Dems before, Joe Lieberman was one (Senate). Now, I wouldn't vote for one for dog catcher. There is no such thing as a moderate Dem, they will all go hard left when push comes to shove.

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3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

How many of those other political parties have delivered a senator or Presidential candidate in the past 20 years? And if they are not, then clearly there would appear to be a fault in the system somewhere that prevents their doing so. If you dont have the option to vote for them, then what good are they?

Here is what I find bizarre. You have over 200 TV channels. You have Netflix, you have the Disney channel, you have options for television programmers coming out of your ears. You invented the supermarket. You invented Amazon. You have countless different options for guns, cars, hamburgers, mobile phones, because America believes in as much choice and opportunity as it can handle. And still, you settle for 2 major parties dominating congress or the White House. Seriously? 

200 years ago when the world was a simpler place, that made perfect sense. Today, you wouldn't tolerate that lack of choice in a hamburger chain, so why do you tolerate it in politics? 

 

If you want to perceive that as lecturing, its doubtless going to be an interesting experience the next time the mechanic questions you if you want to put a different make of tires on your car. I could well imagine the response if he told you that there was only two choices, and neither performed in the wet. :D

 

They both routinely have presidential candidates, both did in 2016 and do again this year. Also, see Ross Perot.

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5 hours ago, Rick said:

We obviously do not need an overhaul of the federal election system. The Electoral College works as it was designed, preventing a few large population centers from deciding the course of our whole nation. What is needed is an overhaul of the American voter! 

Are you sure you're not a communist? Sounds very communist to me.

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4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Here is what I find bizarre. You have over 200 TV channels. You have Netflix, you have the Disney channel, you have options for television programmers coming out of your ears. You invented the supermarket. You invented Amazon. You have countless different options for guns, cars, hamburgers, mobile phones, because America believes in as much choice and opportunity as it can handle. And still, you settle for 2 major parties dominating congress or the White House. Seriously? 

One thing's for sure. An election system that leads to a result where two geriatric septuagenarians, one of whom is Donald Trump, compete with each other for the most powerful office on the planet, doesn't scale well in the 21st century.

 

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47 minutes ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

One thing's for sure. An election system that leads to a result where two geriatric septuagenarians, one of whom is Donald Trump, compete with each other for the most powerful office on the planet, doesn't scale well in the 21st century.

 

It's what finished the Soviet Union, any General Secretary you like as long as he in his 70's, failing kidneys, and preferably senile.

It's not that I dislike Biden, but what does it say about the Democrat party where he is the only one that is sane or not a Communist? Even the Senate has one of the highest average age groups in the world. American democracy is aging, which seems to say something about vested interests.

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1 hour ago, Jeff said:

They both routinely have presidential candidates, both did in 2016 and do again this year. Also, see Ross Perot.

So why aren't they running in the election? Or is the media just airbrushing them out so they don't stand a chance?

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25 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It's what finished the Soviet Union, any General Secretary you like as long as he in his 70's, failing kidneys, and preferably senile.

It's not that I dislike Biden, but what does it say about the Democrat party where he is the only one that is sane or not a Communist? Even the Senate has one of the highest average age groups in the world. American democracy is aging, which seems to say something about vested interests.

Honestly I don't see this (definitely unfortunate) lineup as some sort of systemic failure, just bad luck. Clinton, Bush and Obama were pretty age-appropriate. So were most of the Dem and Rep nominees in 2016. The Dems fielded a wide age range of candidates this time around (I was a pro-Buttigieg guy, but in retrospect he really needs 15 or so more years of experience). 

It's sort of like everybody complaining about why there hasn't been a woman President in the U.S. yet. I don't think the country is at all opposed to it, there just hasn't been the right candidate yet.

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9 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

How many of those other political parties have delivered a senator or Presidential candidate in the past 20 years? And if they are not, then clearly there would appear to be a fault in the system somewhere that prevents their doing so. If you dont have the option to vote for them, then what good are they?

We've seen them in congress off and on over the years. Ron Paul for example. Bernie Sanders too. Don't forget Ralph Nader and of course Ross Perot. Many others at various levels. The caveat being that these other parties are either corrective actions on the main party with the Libertarian Party a back to the roots of Jefferson's way of doing things. The Green and Socialist parties, those are steering the DNC off it's path like Legloas crashing an oliphant into another. They're taking the DNC a place it was not ever before. 

 

9 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And still, you settle for 2 major parties dominating congress or the White House. Seriously? 

200 years ago when the world was a simpler place, that made perfect sense. Today, you wouldn't tolerate that lack of choice in a hamburger chain, so why do you tolerate it in politics? 

Mechanism of how you can't make coalitions in a congressional system unlike in a parliamentarian system to form a government out of your legislative body. By the same token we do have coalitions of certain parties and their off shoots. 

 

9 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

If you want to perceive that as lecturing, its doubtless going to be an interesting experience the next time the mechanic questions you if you want to put a different make of tires on your car. I could well imagine the response if he told you that there was only two choices, and neither performed in the wet. :D


You can have Labour or Conservative. Neither are going to be what you want. 

 

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4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

So why aren't they running in the election? Or is the media just airbrushing them out so they don't stand a chance?

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Now the media would never airbrush the truth, how dare you!

On the presidential ballot for 2020:

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Americans will elect the next president of the United States on November 3, 2020. Four candidates have qualified to appear on enough state ballots to win a majority—at least 270 electoral votes—in the Electoral College. They are listed in alphabetical order, along with their running mates:

Joe Biden (D) / Kamala Harris (D)

Howie Hawkins (G) / Angela Nicole Walker (G)

Jo Jorgensen (L) / Spike Cohen (L)

Donald Trump (R) / Mike Pence (R)

 

 

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22 hours ago, DKTanker said:

Dick Gephardt didn't run against Reagan, he was in the field that ran against CIA Bush.  That field included AlGore, Jesse Jackson, Dick Gephardt, Paul Simon and eventual nominee Michael Dukakis.  Oh, and early drop out, pre-dementia Joe Biden.

Had Sam Nunn, Senator GA (D), not voted against the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, he well may have prevented the Clintons from ever leaving Arkansas.

Thanks for the Sam Nunn reminder, forgot about him.  To be honest, other than the work he did with Senator Lugar R (IN) and iirc, his pro-defense stance, I don't know anything else about him. Yes, I realize Gephardt dropped out of the race, but he was the last Democrat at the national level I would consider voting for, but obviously not against Reagan if that opportunity presented itself.  I should have made that clearer, my fault. 

Zell Miller was another Democrat that I would consider, he wrote an excellent book about the turning of the Democratic Party to the far left.

https://archive.org/details/nationalpartynom00mill

 

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If Sam Nunn had run, I could have voted for him since he was not a communist pretending to be a Democrat ( or a murdering Teddy Kennedy).  Same thing for Zell Miller.   Although I would never vote against Reagan.  Now that I think about it Reagan was hated by Euros as much as, if not more than, Trump.  Seems like those that Euros hate are the ones that love our country the best.....

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5 hours ago, Rick said:

Thanks for the Sam Nunn reminder, forgot about him.  To be honest, other than the work he did with Senator Lugar R (IN) and iirc, his pro-defense stance, I don't know anything else about him. Yes, I realize Gephardt dropped out of the race, but he was the last Democrat at the national level I would consider voting for, but obviously not against Reagan if that opportunity presented itself.  I should have made that clearer, my fault. 

Zell Miller was another Democrat that I would consider, he wrote an excellent book about the turning of the Democratic Party to the far left.

https://archive.org/details/nationalpartynom00mill

 

My political awakening happened while Nunn was one of our Senators in Georgia. That hard left turn of the party was why I drifted right. 

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11 hours ago, Murph said:

Debate Commission institutes rule to silence Trump.  I would walk away from this travesty.  More lefty cheating.  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/19/debate-commission-will-silence-microphones-in-final-debate/  If they are so sure they are going to win they sure are cheating a LOT.  

The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) has adopted a new rule ahead of Thursday’s second and final presidential debate and will silence the microphone of the candidate who does not have the floor during the uninterrupted two-minute periods at the start of each segment.

tRump can still run his mouth off during the rest of the cough, cough debate.

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