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By modern standards the HMMWV is still pretty simple (I've worked on one to fix some issues). Working on the portal axles is less complex than working on those on a Ferret or 60s era British all wheel drive (*cough*Champ*cough*).

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By modern standards the HMMWV is still pretty simple (I've worked on one to fix some issues). Working on the portal axles is less complex than working on those on a Ferret or 60s era British all wheel drive (*cough*Champ*cough*).

 

 

I knew that one was coming :D

 

Ive actually got one in the garage, not run in 30 years though. Awesome vehicle, but you are quite right, it was far too over engineered to hauling squaddies about a battlefield. Hence the rise of the Land Rover. Ironically, I understand the first batch of 30 Landrovers the Army bought had the Champ engine in it. Try and work that one out.

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The Champ's weakness wasn't the engine. The weakness was that rear Transaxle thingy that added too much critical complexity to one component.

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It's a frikken runabout vehicle for light personnel moves and load carrying tasks. The more complex you make these things the more they're going to be deadlined due to mechanical faults and other issues. SIMPLE.

 

Then we buy more so we have enough of them available. Cheap and simple runabouts can't survive in contested areas in the Age of the IED and Asymmetric Warfare. The kind of enemies the US and UK have been facing aren't looking to defeat us militarily; They are looking to blow up enough of our troops that resulting media coverage (enhanced by much of said media's biases) causes much of the public to see the effort as futile and politicians to favor admitting defeat as opposed to continuing an unpopular policy.

 

Vehicles like MRAPs and the JLTV are overbuilt in some ways and they incur serious costs. But they are needed because they reduce the casualties that cause support for US or UK military efforts to falter. In important ways, the JLTV's function is political as well as military.

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For getting shot at, there is not a chance in hell that the politicians will allow anything to be used that is even close to being as fragile as a Snatch - it's political suicide.

 

If they want to move people about the UK in penny-packets, they use hire cars. If they want bigger parties, they use coaches. Land Rovers are still seen as convoy escorts and presumably will be used as light utility until they wear them all out.

 

I expect they still move troops about in lorries, but after a relatively recent collision and roll-over accident that killed some troops on a night movement exercise, I bet that risk assessments for movements using such get a lot more scrutiny.

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DB, I thought they had stopped moving troops on bench seats in lorries some years ago for exactly the reason you state.

 

Well they were doing it as recently as 2015, not sure if they have done it since.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3128696/Up-20-military-personnel-injured-collision-involving-three-troop-carriers-Salisbury-Plain.html

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DB, I thought they had stopped moving troops on bench seats in lorries some years ago for exactly the reason you state.

 

Well they were doing it as recently as 2015, not sure if they have done it since.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3128696/Up-20-military-personnel-injured-collision-involving-three-troop-carriers-Salisbury-Plain.html

 

 

I can remember going on an ACF camp in 1980 in the back of a petrol engined Bedford RL with one cadet swinging over the tailgate on a rope :)

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