Because, Nordic Countries

[Murph]

4 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Meanwhile in Sweden the rapist got the rope, delightful news.

 

 

It needs to happen more often.

[Murph]

 

[sunday]

Thank God someone decided to build a rational version of Wikipedia!

Unless that version is rational in name only...

[Stuart Galbraith]

Flat earther eh? Well clearly a reliable source. 

 

[Ivanhoe]

40 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Flat earther eh? Well clearly a reliable source. 

 

The Earth is like 75% water. Water without carbonation. So technically, flat.

 

[Ivanhoe]

6 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Meanwhile in Sweden the rapist got the rope, delightful news.

 

 

People don't seem to understand that the criminal justice system is not to protect victims, it is to protect criminals. Because we humans are "red of tooth and claw" and not really patient enough for fact-finding before we unleash our inner savage.

[R011]

10 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

People don't seem to understand that the criminal justice system is not to protect victims, it is to protect criminals. Because we humans are "red of tooth and claw" and not really patient enough for fact-finding before we unleash our inner savage.

Will the killers pay blood money or will there be a feud? Was it a proper sacrifice to the Gods or did it need to happen in a sacred Grove? 

[Stuart Galbraith]

13 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

Well, he is British after all. 😀

As for the shootings and bombings, yes, this situation is on a new level. Especially how many innocents getting killed or wounded. Criminals shooting eachother is old. What has changed, as I have understood it, is that they are now going after their enemies' relatives on a completely new scale.

Touche.

 

[lucklucky]

Sweden sends refugee to his death.

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Sweden to Deport Quran-Burning Iraqi

Iraqi immigrant Salwan Momika, who became well-known across Sweden this year after carrying out several protests in which he burned copies of the Islamic Quran, often causing violent reactions in Sweden and abroad, now faces deportation as authorities claim he provided them with incorrect information.

The Swedish Migration Agency announced this week that Momika would be deported back to his native country as the board is revoking the three-year residency permit that Momika was granted in April of 2021 along with his refugee status and, according to a report from state-run broadcaster SVT, will ban him from entering Sweden for the next five years.

Jesper Tengroth, press officer for the Swedish Migration Agency, explained that Momika’s residency permit was being revoked because the Iraqi provided the agency with incorrect information.

 

 

[BansheeOne]

You know, for someone who likes to blast media for biased reporting when it's contrary to your personal opinion, you should really employ more dilligence when posting soundbites you agree with. Issued two days before the bit from the European Conservative:

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Sweden will not expel man behind recent Koran burning demos despite deportation order

By Simon Johnson

October 26, 20237:47 PM GMT+2 Updated 3 days ago

STOCKHOLM/COPENHAGEN, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Sweden's migration agency said on Thursday it had decided to deport an Iraqi man who burned copies of the Koran, the Muslim holy book, but that the order would not be carried out because the man would risk torture in his home country.

In August, Sweden raised its terrorism alert to the second-highest level and warned of an increase in threats against Swedes at home and abroad after Koran burnings outraged Muslims and triggered threats from jihadists.

Several actions were led by Salwan Momika, a refugee from Iraq who says he wants to protest against the whole institution of Islam and ban its holy book.

"Yesterday, the Migration Agency decided to recall his status and residency permit and decided that he should be deported," a spokesman for the Swedish Migration Agency told Reuters.

He said the reason was that the man had given false information on his application for residency.

However, the spokesman said Sweden could not carry out the deportation order as the man would risk torture and inhumane treatment if he were to be sent to Iraq. If the situation changes, the man will be deported, he added.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-expel-man-behind-recent-koran-burning-demos-tv4-2023-10-26/

And your own article notes further down:

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According to SVT, Momika will not be deported until at least April of next year, as he was granted a temporary Swedish residence permit due to the possibility that he may risk being tortured if he were to return to Iraq. 

Issues regarding Momika’s residency in Sweden have been ongoing since August, when pictures of Momika posing with weapons were produced by the Swedish Migration Agency, which confronted the Iraqi regarding whether or not he had belonged to a Christian militia group that was part of a Shia Muslim umbrella organisation with ties to Iran.

Momika had previously claimed that he was simply a politician in Iraq and had not mentioned being part of a militia group to Swedish authorities. 

Another photo appears to show that Momika also returned to Iraq in 2022, despite claiming he would be in danger if he returned. Momika stated that the photo in question, which had been posted online, had actually been taken prior to him coming to Sweden, claiming that the government was looking for an excuse to deport him. 

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I'm now awaiting the furor about the damn liberal do-gooder Swedes not deporting some filthy lying Iraqi immigrant who appears to cause trouble on purpose to achieve exactly that.

[lucklucky]

I do not think that immigrant defends violence against host country or exposes a totalitarian ideology.  I am favourable to immigration if that is a number that can be integrated and of a compatible culture.

Thanks for correcting me that deportation would not occur until at least April. Still he can be deported. I guess that is the threat to  do not burn Korans.

[17thfabn]

In the back ground how much of Sweden cracking down on a koran  burner has to do with their application to join NATO and Turkey's objection to a country that has freedom of speech joining NATO?

[futon]

The spokesman on Sunday called on the Swedish government to respond responsibly to the most obvious demand of Muslims, adding that the Swedish government is expected to seriously adhere to the fundamental principles of human rights.

Kanaani called on the Swedish government to promote ethics and the peaceful coexistence of religions through practical and effective measures.

He also said that from the perspective of the Islamic Republic of Iran, mere claims by Swedish authorities without action in condemning and opposing the desecration of the holy Quran are not enough.

https://en.irna.ir/news/85244269/Iran-condemns-desecration-of-holy-Quran-in-Sweden

 

[BansheeOne]

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Ex-Danish defence minister and spy chief ‘relieved’ after charges dropped

The former senior figures had been accused of leaking state secrets about intelligence partnership with the US

Harry Davies

Sat 4 Nov 2023 01.00 EDT

Denmark’s former defence minister and ex-spy chief have spoken of their relief after prosecutors dramatically dropped criminal charges accusing them of leaking state secrets.

Prosecutors said this week they would withdraw the cases after Denmark’s highest court made a series of rulings preventing the prosecution from holding the trials in secret.

The decision ends a high-stakes legal drama in which two former senior public officials were charged with disclosing classified information about a secret intelligence partnership between Denmark and the US.

The trials of the veteran government minister Claus Hjort Frederiksen and former spy chief Lars Findsen were due to begin later this month. Both men faced prison sentences after they were charged with offences amounting to treason.

Speaking to the Guardian, Frederiksen said: “I am very relieved that this nightmare is over. It has been two very difficult years for me”. He called for the “entire process” to now be investigated by an independent judge-led commission.

Findsen said that although he had not been worried about what would happen if his case went to court, he said he was “delighted to not have to use the next three or fours years” on the case.

He said he was “saddened by the mishandling of delicate matters” by the government and an intelligence oversight body that in 2020 published a critical report into the country’s foreign intelligence service.

Publication of the report sparked a series of extraordinary events that led to Findsen being suspended as head of the spy service, placed under intrusive covert surveillance and secretly held in prison for 70 days.

The criminal cases, which have rocked Danish politics in recent years, have been viewed as part of a wider government crackdown against leaks by members of the intelligence community.

At the heart of both cases were allegations the former officials disclosed information relating to a secret deal between Danish intelligence and the US National Security Agency to tap fibre-optic cables transporting internet traffic through Denmark.

The existence of the deal first emerged in 2014 and had been widely reported by Danish journalists between 2020 and 2021, however prosecutors sought to hold the case behind closed doors.

Before the trials, the supreme court made a series of judgments, ruling that classified information would need to be shared with Frederiksen and Findsen and that hearings should be partially held in the open.

On Wednesday, the prosecution authority said that after the court’s rulings, Danish intelligence informed prosecutors that it was “no longer safe” to pursue the cases against Frederiksen and Findsen. Prosecutors also dropped a separate case against an official who worked at the country’s domestic intelligence agency.

Commenting on the decision, senior prosecutor Jakob Berger Nielsen said: “For the intelligence services it is crucial that the confidentiality of their information is intact and that it is handled with the greatest possible security.”

The withdrawal of the cases was interpreted by Danish media as a major defeat for the government led by prime minister Mette Frederiksen, which now faces a political backlash and calls for an independent inquiry to investigate its handling of the prosecutions.

In an editorial published by Berlingske, the newspaper said the cases “resemble the biggest political/administrative scandal in recent Danish history”.

“These are cases where, by all accounts, the only real question is whether the scandal is due to abysmal incompetence or political abuse of power,” it said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/04/ex-danish-defence-minister-and-spy-chief-relieved-after-charges-dropped

[Ivanhoe]

https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/swedish-history-goes-multicultural-in-new-svt-series/

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The first Swedes are portrayed by black Africans and people from the Middle East in Sweden’s tax-funded state TV channel SVT’s blockbuster “History of Sweden”. Critics accuse SVT of falsifying history and the ‘experts’ involved of spreading propaganda for ideological reasons.

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The series will tell the story of Sweden from the Ice Age to modern times. The first clips released show that early Swedes are portrayed by people of African and Middle Eastern origin – rather than white Europeans of Nordic descent.

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As part of the mass media and political campaign for continued mass immigration to Sweden, it has become increasingly common in recent years to claim that Sweden has always been multi-ethnic and that the early Swedes did not in fact look anything like today’s light-skinned Swedes – but more like sub-Saharan Africans – an ‘educational campaign’ spearheaded by SVT itself.

 

[Laser Shark]

8 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

"I was there. 10.000 years ago..."

I think that if you accept that (Swedes) at one time immigrated from the south, I think it is quite reasonable we did not look like we do today.

You don't need to have been there 10 000 years ago to know that it's silly to have present day MENA people and Sub-Saharan Africans in the roles of Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers. If they wanted to convey that these peoples likely had darker skin than present day Scandinavians, they should've just sent Per and Sven to the tanning salon instead.

[glappkaeft]

On 11/9/2023 at 5:30 PM, Laser Shark said:

You don't need to have been there 10 000 years ago to know that it's silly to have present day MENA people and Sub-Saharan Africans in the roles of Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers. If they wanted to convey that these peoples likely had darker skin than present day Scandinavians, they should've just sent Per and Sven to the tanning salon instead.

It is what the DNA evidence says, same for Britain. Dark skin but blue eyes.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/07/europe/cheddar-man-had-dark-skin-intl/index.html

[Rick]

Why was this even considered hate speech!?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/finnish-lawmaker-wins-second-hate-speech-case-quoting-bible

[Laser Shark]

6 hours ago, glappkaeft said:

It is what the DNA evidence says, same for Britain. Dark skin but blue eyes.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/07/europe/cheddar-man-had-dark-skin-intl/index.html

It’s more complicated than that. Cheddar man and other WHGs don’t show the genetic alleles that causes fair skin in modern Europeans, but beyond that we can’t say anything for certain how “dark” they truly were. The bit below explain this fairly well, I think.

 

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Giveaway genes

To show this, researchers including Susan Walsh at Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis read Cheddar Man’s DNA. Walsh had helped develop a model that attempts to predict someone’s eye, hair and skin pigmentation solely from their DNA, and the team applied this model to Cheddar Man.

The most recent version of the model was published in May 2017. It focuses on 36 spots in 16 genes, all linked to skin colour.

To test it, Walsh and her colleagues took genetic data from over 1400 people, mainly from Europe and the US but also some from Africa and Papua New Guinea. The team used part of the data to “train” their model on how skin colour and the 36 DNA markers are linked. They then used the rest of the data to test how well the model could predict skin colour from DNA alone. The model correctly identified who had “light” skin or “dark-black” skin, with a small margin of error.

When Walsh and her colleagues applied the model to Cheddar Man, they concluded his skin colour fell between “dark” and “dark to black”.

 

Not so sure

The research was first announced by press release, to coincide with the release of a TV documentary. It has now been posted to a preprint server (bioRxiv, doi.org/ckqq).

Walsh stresses that the study doesn’t conclusively demonstrate Cheddar Man had dark to black skin. We cannot place such confidence in the DNA analysis, she says. For one thing, Cheddar Man’s DNA has degraded over the last 10,000 years.

“It’s not a simple statement of ‘this person was dark-skinned’,” says Walsh. “It is his most probable profile, based on current research.”

In fact, we are not ready to predict the skin colour of prehistoric people just from their genes, says Brenna Henn at Stony Brook University, New York. That’s because the genetics of skin pigmentation turn out to be more complex than thought.

 

Too many genes

In November 2017, Henn and her colleagues published a paper exploring the genetics of skin pigmentation in populations indigenous to southern Africa – where skin colour varies more than many people appreciate. Just weeks before, a group led by Sarah Tishkoff at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia had published a paper on the genetics of skin pigmentation in people from eastern and southern Africa.

“The conclusions were really the same,” says Henn. “Known skin pigmentation genes, discovered primarily in East Asian and European populations, don’t explain the variation in skin pigmentation in African populations. The idea that there are really only about 15 genes underlying skin pigmentation isn’t correct.”

It now seems likely that many other genes affect skin colour. We don’t know how.

If we are still learning about the link between genes and skin pigmentation in living populations, we can’t yet predict the skin colour of prehistoric people, says Henn.

This debate may seem of little practical importance – although the idea that Cheddar Man was dark-skinned generated enormous public interest. However, we need to know the limitations of this sort of genetic technology.

Police could one day plug DNA from a crime scene into one of these models to determine what a suspect looks like. Walsh’s model might succeed at this in the US, says Henn, because it was trained on DNA from people with similar ancestry to North Americans. But it may well fail elsewhere.

Henn’s team has tested an older model that aimed to predict skin colour from DNA. When they put it to work among southern African populations, “it literally predicted that people with the darkest skins would have the lightest skin.”

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161867-ancient-dark-skinned-briton-cheddar-man-find-may-not-be-true/

Edited November 15, 2023 by Laser Shark

[17thfabn]

Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great,  grandson of cheeder man: (need more Greats)

[glappkaeft]

20 hours ago, Laser Shark said:

It’s more complicated than that.

I know but darker than now is where the evidence points. Archeology in all its forms is always uncertain due to the time passed and scarcity of the samples but again that is the way the evidence points.

[Laser Shark]

2 hours ago, glappkaeft said:

I know but darker than now is where the evidence points. Archeology in all its forms is always uncertain due to the time passed and scarcity of the samples but again that is the way the evidence points.

Perhaps, but it still doesn't justify the use of modern day Arabs and Sub-Saharan Africans in those roles as there are more distinguishing characteristics to consider than just skin color. Otherwise we might as well have Japanese individuals in the roles of Norman knights at Hastings or Indians as the Harlem Hellfighters.

[Ivanhoe]

It amuses me to think that Neanderthals, Cro Magnons, and Stone Agers (can't call them "Stoners" here in America, different connotation) are presented as brown-ish simply because soap hadn't been invented yet.

Seriously, it should be visible and apparent from low earth orbit that the current trend of "historical figure/people X were black" is motivated by spiteful transgression. By going after anything attributed/related to white people, however laughable and counterfactual, they feel like they are "taking it to The Man."  

If you want to lift up the cultural rock to see what crawls out, perform a gooogle search with the words "was abraham lincoln black". There are a lot of folks who simply cannot accept that a white POTUS freed the slaves in the US. 

[BansheeOne]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

It amuses me to think that Neanderthals, Cro Magnons, and Stone Agers (can't call them "Stoners" here in America, different connotation) are presented as brown-ish simply because soap hadn't been invented yet.

I tend to think much easier when looking at evolution. When you shave an ape, what's its skin like? 😁

[17thfabn]

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

I tend to think much easier when looking at evolution. When you shave an ape, what's its skin like? 😁

Is shaving apes a thing in Berlin?