Because, Nordic Countries

[bojan]

Could the police be sued for incompetence if not outright cowardice in that case? 

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, Ssnake said:

Whether it's 51% deranged or just 49% is of, at best, academic interest. Islamofascists are known to recruit among the seriously unhinged, so this distinction is not just utterly useless but even a harmful diversion from the question about consequences for the protection of society.

I'll be surprised if this specific guy was recruited. I am expecting him to have JPN Syndrome (Just Plain Nuts) and have viewed lots of kooky material. House of Windsor are Reptilians, robots are reading our minds with laser beams, Biden won the election fair and square, etc.

[BansheeOne]

50 minutes ago, TonyE said:

The whole "wait until (insert)" thing that the norwegian police seem to be prone to doing in critical cases tends to lead to high deathcounts, as was the case during the Utøya-massacre in 2011.

In fairness, if it's just a case of getting essential stuff from the car while the perp finds an unexpected hole, that may speak for misjudging the situation from the start or cause to review the policy of what is routinely carried; but you can't carry everything all the time, and I understand the hesistancy to abandon the Officer Friendly image for Robocop. Even during the 2016 Munich shooting, the plaincloth patrol which first made contact lost sight of the shooter on a parking deck despite being fully equipped and firing a shot from an SMG. Luckily he didn't kill anyone else afterwards except himself when next encountered two-and-a-half hours later. 

Mind, after the various rampage events and terror attacks over the last two decades or so, everyone in Europe seems to have gotten around to the first two or four officers on the scene going in without waiting for the special squirrels as it used to be done. Obviously that becomes more difficult if those first officers have to equip themselves with the bare essentials first. 

[BansheeOne]

Well seems they didn't take any chances this time. 

Quote

Norwegian police shoot knife-wielding attacker dead in Oslo

AFP/The Local

9 November 2021
13:17 CET

Norwegian police said they shot and killed a man wielding a knife who threatened several people early Tuesday in central Oslo before attacking a patrol car that arrived on the scene.

A man shot by police, after he threatened several people with a knife. has died. 

A policeman was also injured as the officers tried to arrest the attacker in the capital’s Bislett neighbourhood, police told a press conference.

No details about the identity of the attacker or his motive were disclosed.

“We’re not excluding any motives, but there is nothing at this stage that indicates this is a terror attack,” police inspector Egil Jorgen Brekke told reporters.

According to tabloid VG, the man was Russian and in his 30s, and had been sentenced to psychiatric care in December 2020 after stabbing a man in Oslo in 2019.

[...] 

https://www.thelocal.no/20211109/norwegian-police-shoot-knife-wielding-attacker-dead-in-oslo/

[Ivanhoe]

11 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Well seems they didn't take any chances this time. 

https://www.thelocal.no/20211109/norwegian-police-shoot-knife-wielding-attacker-dead-in-oslo/

Good work. Sucks they had to do that, but there it is.

[jmsaari]

"A police car can be seen ramming the man into a building in a bid to stop him. The man then rushes the vehicle, opens the front passenger door and leans inside the car."

Didn't really leave the police any options there, though i'm sure someone will still complain why they didn't shoot the knife off his hand instead or something...

[TonyE]

He was chechen, born and raised in Grosny, left for Norway with an aunt when he was 16 in 2004 or so after his father was killed, sometime later his brother was killed aswell.

[TonyE]

7 hours......first(!!!!!) swedish female prime minister and shortest serving prime minister ever, a double FIRST!!!!!

[Ivanhoe]

Perhaps she can send some notes to Biden.

 

[rmgill]

On 11/10/2021 at 1:58 AM, jmsaari said:

"A police car can be seen ramming the man into a building in a bid to stop him. The man then rushes the vehicle, opens the front passenger door and leans inside the car."

Didn't really leave the police any options there, though i'm sure someone will still complain why they didn't shoot the knife off his hand instead or something...

If it was the US, I'd say it sounds like a good use of force. But since it was in Europe, did it check all the requisite boxes for warm fuzzy nice behavior including warning shots fired in the direction of random uninvolved persons and prior interviews of social workers? 

[Ssnake]

European police can be just as robust as in the US, it's just that

- Euro cops receive years of training and not just a few weeks,

- the basic assumption that a suspect is armed is not a necessity,

so Euro LEOs usually have a few more tools in the box than just the hammer. But also the hammer.

[TonyE]

23 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

Win and win. 😀

As I have now learned, she was elected, but never entered office, best described as "primeminister elect".

😁

Yeah sure🤣, NOW they say that. When the announcement was made they were firsting themselfs into a frenzy, but with the total embarrassment it turned into they are moving the goal posts just enough so that they can have a "real" first later.🤣

[rmgill]

 

18 hours ago, Ssnake said:

- the basic assumption that a suspect is armed is not a necessity,

so Euro LEOs usually have a few more tools in the box than just the hammer. But also the hammer.

But in this case you know he was armed. Which other tools do they have in the tool box? 

[Ssnake]

A car, for starters.

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, Ssnake said:

A car, for starters.

Yeah. US Cops don't have those at all.  🤔

 

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by rmgill

[BansheeOne]

Ah, the good ancient tradition of airborne royals.

[Ssnake]

Seems like they're having fun, but it also seems to be a very Finnish thing to do.

Frozen lakes, check.

Rally course, check.

Overall silliness level: Elevated.

[Tim Sielbeck]

It was very fun but hard to hit anything while doing uncontrolled power slides.

[rmgill]

 

[Ivanhoe]

[Ivanhoe]

No mention of pineapple or mayonnaise, therefore innocent of blasphemy.

Ruling stands.

 

[Laser Shark]

They’ve finally landed on a candidate:

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/02/09/oskar-pedersen-as-wins-nordic-combat-uniform-contract/

One uniform system for all Nordic countries except Iceland (though they have acquired Norwegian uniforms in the past, so it’s possible/likely that will get their hands on these eventually), but everyone will also use their own camo. For Denmark and Finland it will be the patterns they’re currently using (Multicam and M05). Norway, however, has selected a new pattern (looks a bit like a mash-up of the existing pattern and Danish M84), and Sweden might have done the same but I'm not entirely certain on that.

[rmgill]

Why do these uniform designers abbreviate the pattern on the center of the chest of the shirts? 


Are they trying to make this stand out? 

http://getdrawings.com/img/silhouette-target-printable-9.jpg

 

[Laser Shark]

I’m not sure if I understand the question, but these are combat shirts designed to be more comfortable when worn together with bulletproof vests/plate carriers, so they probably figured that you don’t need camo on a part that’s going to be mostly covered up anyway.

[rmgill]

It's the idea that soldiers sometimes have to doff gear to do things even under combat conditions. It'd be like issuing them all white t-shirts and underwear.