Leopard Tank Question

[methos]

Dutch Leo2's has some sort of addon plate bolted on to side during fielding in Afghanistan, but this was part of mine protection kit ?

Danish, not Dutch.

[Gorka L. Martinez-Mezo]

DM33 PELE versus Leopard 1

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Dpezj_HrP2g

[Ssnake]

Under the right circumstances, even Aluminum is compressible.

[DogDodger]

DM33 PELE versus Leopard 1

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Dpezj_HrP2g

Thanks. There was a longer version with more interior shots in the related videos:

Edited March 14, 2020 by DogDodger

[Wiedzmin]

so, my bad again, 81 not used against hull, 127 and 107 only

 

127mm-600-636mm pen

107mm-480mm pen

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as far as i understand, because of this hull front failure they later made this hull

 

and only after this version get to 2A0/4 style hull, but i don't know is 2A0/4 a capable of stoping 127mm warhead or not...

 

and there is a scheme of firings of 2AV in US, without any good details, only that tank have 39 hits, of which 16 germans consider to be "good", of which 3 actually was penetration in turret front and mantlet by 127mm warhead, remaining 23 hits, they didn't mention...

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penetration was hit 6, 5 and 13

Edited March 31, 2020 by Wiedzmin

[Przezdzieblo]

Great flow of archive materials!

[Wiedzmin]

made mistake, edited post, not 81mm but 127mm charge, so central part of hull could resist 480mm CE pen, but not 600-640

 

https://i.imgur.com/f7NVe7P.jpg

 

p.s scheme of US trials seem to match trials i previosly posted about Leo2AV so it's seems that they used improved hul, or germans repeat all hits that they recieved during US trials later at home with improved hull front

Edited March 31, 2020 by Wiedzmin

[Wiedzmin]

 

Leopard 2FK turret

[Wiedzmin]

 

and hull

[Przezdzieblo]

Great, as always.

[Adam Peter]

Leopard 2FK turret , top left image, what is that wedge touching the plate with a corner?

[Wiedzmin]

 

[Rickard N]

What in the name of everything that's holy is this sketch from? It looks like an unholy match of Leopard and MBT70. Has there ever been thought of a cannon on the turret roof of the Leo?

 

/R

[Wiedzmin]

Just now, Rickard N said:

eopard and MBT70.

L2FK is project after MBT-70 collapse with use of most part from it, same protection level etc

[Ssnake]

Concept studies. In a way a look into possible alternate realities.

[Wiedzmin]

marder 1a3 spaced addon armor, from sturgeonhouse 

 

[Wiedzmin]

don't know which AV version 

 

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, Wiedzmin said:

don't know which AV version 

Looks like the third of the three Leopard 2AVs. Two were sent with the 105mm L7 gun, the third came with the 120mm gun seen here. Other giveaway signs are the old style hand rails (shorter, and mounted lower rather than series production), the prototype commander's peri, the different hull glacis, the lack of heavy side skirts in the front section, and the lack of the thermal sight (which at the time of the trials was not yet delivered by Hughes).

[Wiedzmin]

 

 

 

some more

 

22 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

and the lack of the thermal sight (which at the time of the trials was not yet delivered by Hughes

so they blanked right part ?

[methos]

Leopard 2AV PT19 with turret T19. Aside of the big "019", the turret configuration (105 mm gun + Hughes' FCS) and the licence plate number ("Y-04 002") confirm that.

This was the tank tested by the US Army.

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, Wiedzmin said:

so they blanked right part ?

The 2AV was delivered with just the day optics (inner half of the optics cavity in the upper right turret), and the "PzB 2000" low light TV, like the first series production batch, Leopard 2A0.

[P Lakowski]

On 9/8/2018 at 10:06 AM, bojan said:

Note a value for a supposedly solid gun cradle...

THEIR  was a patent on that years ago reporting gun cradle made out of armored steel.

[bojan]

And? Was it implemented? No, it was not.

[methos]

13 hours ago, Ssnake said:

The 2AV was delivered with just the day optics (inner half of the optics cavity in the upper right turret), and the "PzB 2000" low light TV, like the first series production batch, Leopard 2A0.

I believe the Leopard 2AV was never fitted with the PZB 200. The earlier Leopard 2 prototypes had no night vision systems (simply because they were used to test other components) or were either fitted with the PZNG or NZG 200 (depending on prototype).

 

PZNG

NZG 200

Aside of these optics, the early Leopard 2 prototypes also featured a passive night sight as part of the PERI R12 commander's sight.

During the Leopard 2 development, a memorandum of understanding with the United States was signed and the development of more capable thermal imaging systems by Texas Instruments was co-founded by the FRG and the US. This lead to the German-US Common Modules, typically just called Common Modules for which the Leopard 2AV tank was prepared ("fitted for, but not with").

After the US trials the German industry proposed a fully German thermal imaging system (RZ501), but the system based around the Common Modules - which became the WBG-X - was preferred.

 

[Wiedzmin]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nLSVAhNL-6RWqrKljutWH5mJ1K3RMv5s/view?usp=sharing

 

1976-79 german ERA trials