Don't Go Being Politically Insane You Climate Change Skeptics

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Ssnake]

14 hours ago, jmsaari said:

The reality is that the locations and types of weather stations have changed, urban heat island effect is a thing, and you can estimate the effect if a measuring station moves, 

Sure. The thing I don't get is this: If traditional, rural weather stations near city limits get eventually swallowed by a growing city, and therefore become subject to the heat island effect, why is it that temperature data are then corrected upwards to "make up for the heat island effect" rather than taken down a notch or two?

At least, that's how I understand corrections are effectively made.

I also think that I would rather see measurement series be ended if a weather station was discontinued or moved rather than treating the new series (if there is one) as an uninterrupted continuation of the old, and then some correction factors applied. This may have made sense before the whole climate change debate was heavily politicized.

Keeping this practice reeks of politically motivated charlatanery because it conveniently supports one side's position. An impartial scientist would actually acknowledge that a step back is needed, and that all the measurement time series need to be reevaluated in the light of this debate, for utmost transparency of what's being done with the data. In the light of this, IMO the onus is on those who think that the tampering with the raw data is A-OK, and they're not hiding anything. Getting rid of a third of the weather stations and filling the blanks with made-up shit does not instill confidence in me that that this is a clean scientific process.

 

Tony Heller may not be a perfect wisteblower, but then again, wisteblowers rarely are. He (and Judith Curry) raises too many questions that are left unanswered that I'm willing to simply discard him as a cranky conspiracy theorist.

[sunday]

2 hours ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

 

Is it 1944 again?

I will show myself the door...

[Tim Sielbeck]

I think they were trying for the "World At War" theme.

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[lucklucky]

Censored new from mainstream media. And note this came in Science

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‘We’re changing the clouds.’ An unintended test of geoengineering is fueling record ocean warmth

Pollution cuts have diminished “ship track” clouds, adding to global warming

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/changing-clouds-unforeseen-test-geoengineering-fueling-record-ocean-warmth

 

Now in another hole in the narrative that we know already everything that matter:

https://www.space.com/sun-blasts-highest-energy-radiation-ever-recorded-raising-questions-solar-physics

 

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Sun blasts out highest-energy radiation ever recorded, raising questions for solar physics

 In a record-breaking discovery, scientists detected our very own sun emitting an extraordinary amount of gamma rays — wavelengths of light known to carry the most energy of any other wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum. This is quite a big deal as it marks the highest-energy radiation to ever be documented coming from our planet's host star. 

Something like 1 trillion electron volts, to be exact.

"After looking at six years' worth of data, out popped this excess of gamma rays," Meher Un Nisa, a postdoctoral research associate at Michigan State University and co-author of a new paper about the findings released Wednesday (Aug. 3), said in a statement. "When we first saw it, we were like, 'We definitely messed this up. The sun cannot be this bright at these energies.'"

Upon deliberation, however, the team realized that such brightness definitely existed — and it was simply due to the sheer amount of gamma rays the sun seemed to be spitting out. 

"The sun is more surprising than we knew," Nisa said. 

Before you start worrying, no, these rays can't harm us. But what they can do is have a pretty important ripple effect for the future of solar physics. In fact, they have already raised some important questions about the sun, such as what role its magnetic field might play in the newly observed gamma-ray phenomenon.

 

 

[sunday]

57 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

Censored new from mainstream media. And note this came in Science

https://www.science.org/content/article/changing-clouds-unforeseen-test-geoengineering-fueling-record-ocean-warmth

 

Now in another hole in the narrative that we know already everything that matter:

https://www.space.com/sun-blasts-highest-energy-radiation-ever-recorded-raising-questions-solar-physics

 

 

Interesting. So burning cheaper, SO2-rich bunker fuel in ships is good for the environment? Add this to the "good for the environment but politically incorrect things that should not be discussed in polite Globalist company", like nuclear power plants.

[lucklucky]

If the environment is "better" with more polution...

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

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[rmgill]

On 8/5/2023 at 8:08 PM, sunday said:

Is it 1944 again?

I will show myself the door...

LeMay-Harrris effect? 

[sunday]

Could be, could be.

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Ivanhoe]

3 hours ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

 

Ironically, most urban and suburban areas will waste taxpayer dollars on nonsensical global warming mitigations, yet turn around and issue expensive citations to anyone who has a natural front lawn/garden. 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/vegetable-garden-brings-criminal-charges-oak-park-michigan/story?id=14047214

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/archive/six-years-later-florida-couple-wins-right-to-plant-veggies-in-their-front-yard/article_c4e47af4-2e66-58c4-99a5-1382d592c905.html

https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/articles/entry/local_laws_ban_front_yard_food_gardens/

 

 

[Tim Sielbeck]

Very true.

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[sunday]

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[Tim the Tank Nut]

I was going to say that if people want to see Germany in flames we certainly know how to do it.  In my day we used propellers on our bombers....

had to start 'em in the cold

[Murph]

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[lucklucky]

[JWB]

Environmentalists sue Puerto Rican government over location of renewable energy projects (msn.com)