Don't Go Being Politically Insane You Climate Change Skeptics

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, rmgill said:

It very well could kill quite a few farms. When they go into bankruptcy noone will work them. 

More likely though, the failing farms will be bought up by bigger agro conglomerates.

[lucklucky]

2 hours ago, Ssnake said:

More likely though, the failing farms will be bought up by bigger agro conglomerates.

Yes and means more government control/corruption by those conglomerates.

A drop of 30% of farm production everywhere will mean widespread famine and regimes falling.

[Ssnake]

I suspect that the issue is a tad more complex than a direct proportionality between crop yields and the amount of fertilizer brought out. Not saying that there is no connection, not saying that the trend for concentration in the agricultural sector is not a desired goal of a corrupt government. Just that, maybe, a 30% reduction in the usage of a specific type of fertilizer(s) in Canada isn't going to cause a global 30% yield drop, probably not even a 30% in Canada.

[rmgill]

Fertilizer shortages will affect gasoline prices too since we mix fuel sourcing of gasoline with ethanol production from corn, among other things. 

[Harold Jones]

22 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Fertilizer shortages will affect gasoline prices too since we mix fuel sourcing of gasoline with ethanol production from corn, among other things. 

I think there's a good chance that burning food in cars and trucks will get a lot less popular in the next couple years.

[Ssnake]

It should never have been a thing in the first place.

Agriculture spoils, spoiled produce? Sure, have at it. Devoting entire regions to grow nothing but corn for ethanol production? Ethically irresponsible.

[lucklucky]

20 hours ago, Ssnake said:

I suspect that the issue is a tad more complex than a direct proportionality between crop yields and the amount of fertilizer brought out. Not saying that there is no connection, not saying that the trend for concentration in the agricultural sector is not a desired goal of a corrupt government. Just that, maybe, a 30% reduction in the usage of a specific type of fertilizer(s) in Canada isn't going to cause a global 30% yield drop, probably not even a 30% in Canada.

Good point.

[sunday]

On 7/27/2022 at 8:54 PM, lucklucky said:

Good point.

Or it could be more than 30%.

On the other hand, farmer cousin of me will only seed as much as his fertilizer supply allows, for instance.

 

[Rick]

My understanding is that nuclear power is a big no go in Germany. Is this view changing now?

[jmsaari]

41 minutes ago, Rick said:

My understanding is that nuclear power is a big no go in Germany. Is this view changing now?

It does seem to be finally changing according to couple of polls, e.g. https://www.nucnet.org/news/more-than-half-favour-extending-use-of-nuclear-power-poll-shows-4-5-2022

IIRC already last autumn there were polls coming out, but only very recently the political leadership has shown any willingness to even consider such idea.

The other issue is then the practicality of extending the lives of the remaining 3 plants and/or bringing back the most recently decommissioned ones. Last winter I read and heard several times from several sources that the common opinion in Ger, not just among politicians but within the industry, was that it wouldn't be possible to reverse the decision anymore: plants had been operated for the last years with the plan that nothing's operational at Jan 1 2023 anymore. And not just technical issues, but also staff will retire or have already found new jobs, nobody new has been trained for long long time anymore, etc.

But of course in these sorts of things there's few things that really can't be done, impossible is often just a way of saying that something would be too bloody expensive to be worth even thinking about for a second, and that threshold has probably moved quite a bit in the last couple of months in the energy sector...

Edited July 29, 2022 by jmsaari

[Mikel2]

[NickM]

4 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

History showed that the peasants ate the shaman when he couldn't "deliver"

[lucklucky]

But Politics is the only Religion that promises to control weather to decimals of Cº

[JWB]

Edited July 30, 2022 by JWB

[nitflegal]

I'm not even sure what to write about this.  I loved Hawaii when we lived on Wheeler AFB but I really don't understand the inflexibility of the climate change left.  10% of the power goes away, they haven't been able to replace it with green energy (shocker) and so they are going to overstretch their oil fired power plants on Oahu at a time when the price of oil has doubled.  There's nothing wrong with the coal plant, they could extend the deadline, but they'd rather roll the dice and see what happens.  

 

https://www.khon2.com/always-investigating/power-cost-hike-supply-crunch-ahead-as-last-hawaii-coal-plant-closes/

[lucklucky]

It is religion.

[Ivanhoe]

4 hours ago, nitflegal said:

I'm not even sure what to write about this.  I loved Hawaii when we lived on Wheeler AFB but I really don't understand the inflexibility of the climate change left.  10% of the power goes away, they haven't been able to replace it with green energy (shocker) and so they are going to overstretch their oil fired power plants on Oahu at a time when the price of oil has doubled.  There's nothing wrong with the coal plant, they could extend the deadline, but they'd rather roll the dice and see what happens. 

The only way to make coal acceptable would be to require all bizjets to burn slurried coal rather than Jet A.

[DB]

Is it ok to say the "death cult" thing again? I mean, BansheeOne objected when I used the term with respect to Germany and nuclear, but this is just another example. Once upon a time we called it "cutting one's own nose off to spite the face".

 

[nitflegal]

1 hour ago, DB said:

Is it ok to say the "death cult" thing again? I mean, BansheeOne objected when I used the term with respect to Germany and nuclear, but this is just another example. Once upon a time we called it "cutting one's own nose off to spite the face".

 

Cult in a religious sense, probably.  It's the best analogy I've seen where either from a religious or social aspect/pressure people feel they have to tithe a deent chunk of their income to stay in the good graces of their community. The funny thing is that their tithes are going to corporations and China who both dislike them.  You have to give credit to the left though, they have found an extremely effective way to funnel trillions of dollars to their chosen elites in a sustainable way.  It's global theft on an absolutely massive scale.

[MiloMorai]

Trump continues to rack in millions of $$$ from his cultists to line his pockets.

[Ivanhoe]

A bit surprisingly, a guy on an electric motorcycle rode past me today while I was out on an exercise walk (100F, beeyotches!).

Sadly did not sound Jetson-like, due to the multisport tires.

If they weren't so pricey, and could reach and maintain 75 mph easily, they would be practical for my commute.

 

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Trump continues to rack in millions of $$$ from his cultists to line his pockets.

Could be worse. He could be in government spending federal dollars to pay back folks who paid him millions for influence peddling. Like you know, Biden. Who's been a pox on this country for 3 decades. 

[MiloMorai]

5 hours ago, rmgill said:

Could be worse. He could be in government spending federal dollars to pay back folks who paid him millions for influence peddling. Like you know, Biden. Who's been a pox on this country for 3 decades. 

You mean the billions to rectify his crappy trade deal with China.

[rmgill]

No. Money paid to the big guy. 

In other corruption news..
Pelosi's husband buys $5 Million in Chip Fab Stocks the night before the Congressional vote on the bill. 
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/16/nancy-pelosis-husband-buys-5-million-chip-stocks-s/

[sunday]

Now, this is funny

https://notthebee.com/article/after-literal-decades-of-fear-mongering-and-demonizing-nuclear-power-environmentalists-now-want-you-to-give-them-credit-for-the-move-towards-nuclear-power