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8 minutes ago, R011 said:

I see they're comparing two differnt period lengths to calculate averages. - a three year one and a seven year one - instead of two five year periods.  That's not how honest comparisons are made.

Results are given per year, not per period. So still it is a comparison between apples and apples, kinda. Criticism should be poured over the selection of very short periods, thus not allowing a proper  smoothing of noise.

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5 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Did you look at the links?

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Do you think the population has been going up? Do you think that with increased population density and development that the heat island effect will be magnified regardless of what the climate does? 

If it's hot every summer and the population increases, yes, I expect that there will be increased deaths. You could plot a time series graph of deaths of people across the western US as decades went on and blame it on climate change but it'd be because more people were moving there and westerners keep track of such things and the native Americans that were there don't to any great degree. 

You can feel heat island effect if you get out of your car and ride a motorcycle out of the countryside and into a city, quickly at night with light traffic. You don't need an IPCC report to note things liket hat. 

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One added problem from green programs. DEF is in short supply. The main component is Urea. Which a major suppler of is China. It ties in with the fertilizer shortage because Urea is a component of nitrogen fertilizer too. No DEF and the trucks change to breakdown mode and can not operate normally. 

This is a golf clap moment I think. 

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3 minutes ago, rmgill said:

One added problem from green programs. DEF is in short supply. The main component is Urea. Which a major suppler of is China. It ties in with the fertilizer shortage because Urea is a component of nitrogen fertilizer too. 

Well, thats a pisser.

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1 hour ago, lucklucky said:

Narrative change

Ministers quietly abandon ‘green crap’ as focus shifts to food security

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ministers-quietly-abandon-green-crap-as-focus-shifts-to-food-security-pzxlggm7p

Still side-stepping the No. 1 issue, that thanks to Brexit there's a severe shortage of east European farm hands for the harvest season.

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36 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

Still side-stepping the No. 1 issue, that thanks to Brexit there's a severe shortage of east European farm hands for the harvest season.

Put people who are on the dole to work. 

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Oh, on Green policies. Apparently there's an impending famine in Sri Lanka because the president decoded to ban chemical fertilizers...

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4 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Still side-stepping the No. 1 issue, that thanks to Brexit there's a severe shortage of east European farm hands for the harvest season.

The important here is that a journalist felt safe enough to write "green crap". That is a 180º change from last 20 years.

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5 hours ago, rmgill said:

Put people who are on the dole to work. 

Has been tried, doesn't work. People aren't desperate enough just yet.

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7 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Has been tried, doesn't work. People aren't desperate enough just yet.

Give it time.

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10 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Has been tried, doesn't work. People aren't desperate enough just yet.

Stop paying them to do nothing. 

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London: Germany could defy the European Union’s effective ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2035, in a move aimed at protecting hundreds of thousands of jobs in its world-leading car manufacturing sector.

Just days after Berlin announced it would fire up mothballed coal-fired power stations next winter as Russian cuts to gas exports threaten shortfalls, finance minister Christian Lindner said completely phasing out the combustion engine in Europe was “the wrong decision” because manufacturers elsewhere in the world, such as China, would fill the gap.

 

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/germany-could-defy-eu-plan-to-ban-petrol-cars-by-2035-20220622-p5avl4.html

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Well, the FDP's proposal is to keep a backdoor open for IC engine cars, provided they would use synthetic fuels derived from atmospheric CO2. I don't think they are going to succeed with the move; I'm not even convinced that the German car manufacturers are in favor of this proposal although it would, of course, open more decision space to find the least costly carbon emission reduction path.

As so often noticed, that's the official goal because you can sell stuff under that label to a more or less gullible public. But the agenda behind it is of course different. I suppose the car industry hopes that they will be the big winners of a ban of petrol and diesel cars against emerging car makers in India and Malaysia (and possibly the US car industry that still seems to be dragging their feet WRT the transition towards electric). The electric grid actually supporting all that extra load, "not their department" in classic Wernher von Braun fashion.

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1 hour ago, lucklucky said:

 

It seems bad policy but:

"People will starve"?  More than a bit hyperbolic. "Farmers are rising up today."  Apparently that means there were a few small protests over the weekend.  "Farms will fail" probably a few more than usual.  I very much doubt the agricultural sector will collapse.

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3 hours ago, R011 said:

It seems bad policy but:

"People will starve"?  More than a bit hyperbolic. "Farmers are rising up today."  Apparently that means there were a few small protests over the weekend.  "Farms will fail" probably a few more than usual.  I very much doubt the agricultural sector will collapse.

It's in the middle of growing season and most farms in Canada are not near Ottawa so most farmers are too busy to take the time off to protest. Most are using less fertilizer not to save the environment but because it is so expensive. This will further widen the rural/City voting divide and show how stupid and shallow Trudeau is when it comes to anything not related to getting votes in Ontario or Quebec. Thankfully this will cost him several Maritime seats hopefully enough to get someone with half a brain into Ottawa.

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5 hours ago, R011 said:

It seems bad policy but:

"People will starve"?  More than a bit hyperbolic. "Farmers are rising up today."  Apparently that means there were a few small protests over the weekend.  "Farms will fail" probably a few more than usual.  I very much doubt the agricultural sector will collapse.

Cut back on 30% of your food, water or energy. Do this as a business, cut back on 30% of a critical thing you need. It very well could kill quite a few farms. When they go into bankruptcy noone will work them. 

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At least what comes to ammonia based fertilizers, most likely usage will plummet by more than 30% simply because of sky-high prices (farmers don't want to risk not getting their expenses covered), and quite possibly simply a shortage as well. This is certainly the case here: price increases, rapidly dwindling stockpiles and risk of shortage was being warned about already last autumn before the war, now with Russia having been a major supplier of both fertilizers themselves and the natural gas that is a raw material for many European manufacturers it's quickly gone from bad to much worse.

Thought that comes to mind is Trudeau might be trying pass necessity as virtue for the green-minded ones, while farmers won't be too bothered, at least not enough to protest much, due to reasons above.

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