Don't Go Being Politically Insane You Climate Change Skeptics

[MiloMorai]

About 1/3 of Americans are suffering under one kind of extreme weather event (heat, wind, rain) or another. But, it is not just the USofA but across the whole Earth.

[Ssnake]

Six questions:

a. how is "suffer" defined?

b. how is "extreme weather event" defined?

c. is there a historical trend recognizable?

d. if so, has the definition of a. or b. changed over time?

e. if not, is mitigation an option (e.g. don't settle in flood areas)

f. can a historical trend, if it exists, causally tied to human activity, or can a human activity be identified that would influence the historical trend, and if so, what are the costs of the proposed policy?

[rmgill]

Just think, global warming will help Canadians not suffer from extreme weather every year. 

[Harold Jones]

13 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

About 1/3 of Americans are suffering under one kind of extreme weather event (heat, wind, rain) or another. But, it is not just the USofA but across the whole Earth.

 

Myth 2: “Extreme weather events are killing more people”

If you take a graph of how many people die from climate related disasters, we have good data for that for the last 100 years. In the 1920s, about half a million people died each and every year from climate disasters. A lot of them were floods and droughts, especially in China and India that you’ve never heard of. What’s happened since then is that it’s declined dramatically. So in the 2010s, we were down to 18,000 deaths, so about 96% reduction in deaths. And last year, it was down to 14,000 or so in 2020. And in 2021, we don’t obviously have the whole year yet, but it looks like 2021 is set to be even lower at about 6000.  
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV

https://unherd.com/thepost/bjorn-lomborg-7-myths-about-climate-change/

[Ivanhoe]

All those gas-guzzling cars back in the 60s;

 

 

[Ssnake]

6 hours ago, Harold Jones said:

Myth 2: “Extreme weather events are killing more people”

Note the wording of Milo's claim, "people are suffering". That can mean anything (but death). It's not necessarily a false claim. If high temperature winds from a mountain range are giving you headaches, well, you're suffering. It has nothing to do with man-made global warming of course, but it sounds dramatic.

[sunday]

Paywalled, but saw a Spanish translation

https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-censorship-phase-two-gina-mccarthy-social-media-biden-white-house-11655156191

[bojan]

I suffer every summer with 35deg C+ temperatures... I want no more than 25deg C. Oh wait, it was there even in the Roman times with surviving fragment from Viminacium saying "summers so hot that even garum is spoiling".

 

[MiloMorai]

5 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Note the wording of Milo's claim, "people are suffering". That can mean anything (but death). It's not necessarily a false claim. If high temperature winds from a mountain range are giving you headaches, well, you're suffering. It has nothing to do with man-made global warming of course, but it sounds dramatic.

Maybe you should look at weather maps of the USofA for the last week.

[Ssnake]

Yadda yadda yadda.

You haven't answered a single question to shed light on your nebulous claim.

[MiloMorai]

Video Extreme weather affects millions across US - ABC News (go.com)

[rmgill]

17 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

Maybe you should look at weather maps of the USofA for the last week.

For the last week? Seriously? Maybe you should look at weather maps of the USA of A for the last 500 years. 

[lucklucky]

Giacomo Leopardi ( 29 June 1798 – 14 June 1837 )

https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Pensieri_(Leopardi)/XXXIX

"...contemporaries of Magalotti, who wrote in the familiar letters: "He is certainly that the ancient order of the seasons seems to be perverting. Here in Italy there is a common rumor and complaint that there are no more half times; and in this loss of boundaries, there is no doubt that the cold gains ground. I have heard my father say that in his youth, in Rome, on the Easter morning of the resurrection, everyone was dressed in summer clothing. Now, for those who do not need to use their pullovers, I can tell you that they take great care not to lose the slightest of those they wore in the heart of winter ".

This was written by Magalotti in the date of 1683."

 

Also from same:

"A very credible thing also because on the other hand it is evident from experience, and for natural reasons, that the civilization of men coming forward, makes the air, in the countries inhabited by them, milder from day to day: which effect has been and it is singularly evident in America, where, so to speak, in our memory, a mature civilization has succeeded part of a barbaric state, and part of mere solitude."

 

Edited June 16, 2022 by lucklucky

[R011]

The US gets some bad weather in places.  You've only just noticed?

Incidentally, did you know the US has had fewer tornadoes per year in the last ten years than in the previous ten years?  An average of 1146 per year from 2012 to 2021 compared to 13432 average per year from 2002 to 2011.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203682/number-of-tornadoes-in-the-us-since-1995/

 

 

 

[MiloMorai]

4 minutes ago, R011 said:

The US gets some bad weather in places.  You've only just noticed?

Incidentally, did you know the US has had fewer tornadoes per year in the last ten years than in the previous ten years?  An average of 1146 per year from 2012 to 2021 compared to 13432 average per year from 2002 to 2011.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203682/number-of-tornadoes-in-the-us-since-1995/

 

 

 

Guess you missed the out of season tornadoes this year.

[rmgill]

25 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

Guess you missed the out of season tornadoes this year.

The planters got started earlier due to covid and the harvest came to maturity sooner what with all the stimulus money. Is there anything that Joe Biden can't do with Build Back Better? 

[Ivanhoe]

8 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Giacomo Leopardi ( 29 June 1798 – 14 June 1837 )

https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Pensieri_(Leopardi)/XXXIX

"...contemporaries of Magalotti, who wrote in the familiar letters: "He is certainly that the ancient order of the seasons seems to be perverting. Here in Italy there is a common rumor and complaint that there are no more half times; and in this loss of boundaries, there is no doubt that the cold gains ground. I have heard my father say that in his youth, in Rome, on the Easter morning of the resurrection, everyone was dressed in summer clothing. Now, for those who do not need to use their pullovers, I can tell you that they take great care not to lose the slightest of those they wore in the heart of winter ".

This was written by Magalotti in the date of 1683."

All those sport-utility oxcarts were killing the ozone.

[lucklucky]

Their evil farts!

[R011]

10 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

Guess you missed the out of season tornadoes this year.

And you're clearly ignoring that the average annual number is going down when sensationalists keep telling us the number should be rising.

[rmgill]

If the tornadoes are more common. It's global warming. 
 

if the tornadoes are lessened in frequency, its climate change. 

[R011]

As for out of season tornadoes, how often do they happen?  How many over the last ten years?  How many in the ten years before that?  Are there years when there are more of them than the year before or after as we see with the numbers of all tornadoes?

I've noticed over the years that in a large country like the United States, there's been a newsworthy weather related event just about every week - cold snap, heat wave, storm, flood, fire etc.  That there have been some this year isn't necessarily unusual or an indication of what next year brings.

[sunday]

30 peer reviewed studies show no connection between climate change and hurricanes

[MiloMorai]

This dramatic heat wave before summer has even officially begun isn’t a freak occurrence; it’s an increasingly common, and dangerous, condition due to climate change. A 2019 study found that severe heat events per year in Las Vegas increased from an average of 3.3 events per year from 2007-2009 to 4.7 per year from 2010-2016. Since 2017, 570 people have died of heat-related causes in Clark County, which includes Las Vegas, up from 241 heat-related deaths in the previous five years, according to the Southern Nevada Health District.

'It's not tolerable anymore': Southwest residents endure more severe heat waves thanks to climate change [Video] (aol.com)

[R011]

1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

This dramatic heat wave before summer has even officially begun isn’t a freak occurrence; it’s an increasingly common, and dangerous, condition due to climate change. A 2019 study found that severe heat events per year in Las Vegas increased from an average of 3.3 events per year from 2007-2009 to 4.7 per year from 2010-2016. Since 2017, 570 people have died of heat-related causes in Clark County, which includes Las Vegas, up from 241 heat-related deaths in the previous five years, according to the Southern Nevada Health District.

'It's not tolerable anymore': Southwest residents endure more severe heat waves thanks to climate change [Video] (aol.com)

I see they're comparing two differnt period lengths to calculate averages. - a three year one and a seven year one - instead of two five year periods.  That's not how honest comparisons are made.

[Ssnake]

Also, it's the fucking desert, and Las Vegas is the city that shouldn't be. But I realize, of course, that this is besides the point.

Nevertheless, data cherry picking is everybody's favorite. But that's not science, it's politics, and will thus be treated as such.