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Finally getting around some of the efficiency targets with some moderate success would also allow some growth. In looking at nations pollution to economic growth, Japan stands up as efficient with a lot of output for the level of pollution that they've had historically. I still think the dial on the US's emissions control requirements needs some dialing back (a small amount) with comparable work to be done to figure out how to get some industries back to the US both efficiently AND with some of the resultant pollution issues figured out. We need more first tier Semi-conductor manufacturing here. Assembly too and foundries for metals.

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A chunk of "growth" is probably small things. Like repairing an house, etc etc. Another part should be quantitative easing monetary manipulation which transferred the housing bubble to stock market bubble. Other is certainly oil / fracking.

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According to the Spanish Wikipedia, there were only six German ice wine harvests in the whole of the 19th century, and the first one, ever, in History, was in 1794. Not a good, very long term proxy for climate, these data.

 

But hey, today it is quite difficult for news sources to attract audiences!

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According to the Spanish Wikipedia, there were only six German ice wine harvests in the whole of the 19th century, and the first one, ever, in History, was in 1794. Not a good, very long term proxy for climate, these data.

 

But hey, today it is quite difficult for news sources to attract audiences!

Didn't the little ice age end at about that time?

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Valid point. Manufacturing was down in the second half of 2019, so presumably the economic growth is not powered by increased manufacturing.

 

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You might get an idea from power usage though a good percentage is home use and not industrial use. Still

 

All Energy Sources

Utility Scale Facilities

(Thousand Megawatthours)

2019 4,118,051

2018 4,174,398

2017 4,034,271

 

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According to the Spanish Wikipedia, there were only six German ice wine harvests in the whole of the 19th century, and the first one, ever, in History, was in 1794. Not a good, very long term proxy for climate, these data.

 

But hey, today it is quite difficult for news sources to attract audiences!

Didn't the little ice age end at about that time?

 

 

I think it was an accidental discovery. Production of ice wine is quite difficult, and chancy.

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According to the Spanish Wikipedia, there were only six German ice wine harvests in the whole of the 19th century, and the first one, ever, in History, was in 1794. Not a good, very long term proxy for climate, these data.

 

But hey, today it is quite difficult for news sources to attract audiences!

Didn't the little ice age end at about that time?

 

 

I think it was an accidental discovery. Production of ice wine is quite difficult, and chancy.

 

I am always slightly amused/in awe of how much time, effort, talent, and money people will do to obtain alcohol.

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According to the Spanish Wikipedia, there were only six German ice wine harvests in the whole of the 19th century, and the first one, ever, in History, was in 1794. Not a good, very long term proxy for climate, these data.

 

But hey, today it is quite difficult for news sources to attract audiences!

Didn't the little ice age end at about that time?

 

 

I think it was an accidental discovery. Production of ice wine is quite difficult, and chancy.

 

I am always slightly amused/in awe of how much time, effort, talent, and money people will do to obtain alcohol.

 

 

For most of History, more or less alcoholic beverages were the only safe thing to drink many people had.

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According to the Spanish Wikipedia, there were only six German ice wine harvests in the whole of the 19th century, and the first one, ever, in History, was in 1794. Not a good, very long term proxy for climate, these data.

 

But hey, today it is quite difficult for news sources to attract audiences!

Didn't the little ice age end at about that time?

 

 

I think it was an accidental discovery. Production of ice wine is quite difficult, and chancy.

 

I am always slightly amused/in awe of how much time, effort, talent, and money people will do to obtain alcohol.

 

 

For most of History, more or less alcoholic beverages were the only safe thing to drink many people had.

 

Yes, forgot about that. Your quite right.

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It's not unlikely that the desire for beer motivated our neolithic forebearers to become grain farmers. At least that's what the archaeologists say who investigated the oldest ruins in south-eastern Turkey where that transition may have happened.

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Actually, most people drank water. Most water available even in cities was safe enough. Londoners, for instance, mostly drank well water. People drank wine and beer mostly for the same reasons they drink soft drinks and alcohol now.

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It would shock you to hear how many environmentalists pray every day (or they would if they believed in a god) that the third world never develops. Sickening.

Yup. Environmentalists want every third world country to remain like that in order not to spoil nature. And they give empty accolades such as "biodiversity superpower" to some third world countries in order for the latter to feel cozy and nice that they apparently are rich in biodiversity never mind if the economy sucks and lots of people are in poverty. Such empty titles usually give the rich upper class especially the apathetic press-like-to-save-earth types something to feel good about while they drive alone in their SUVs to the nearby grocery store to buy a single item.

 

The same mindset applies with regard to indigenous peoples' condition, some people want them to remain poor and primitive to "preserve culture" and such gospel is taught to these people to perpetuate their victimhood status.

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It would shock you to hear how many environmentalists pray every day (or they would if they believed in a god) that the third world never develops. Sickening.

Yup. Environmentalists want every third world country to remain like that in order not to spoil nature. And they give empty accolades such as "biodiversity superpower" to some third world countries in order for the latter to feel cozy and nice that they apparently are rich in biodiversity never mind if the economy sucks and lots of people are in poverty. Such empty titles usually give the rich upper class especially the apathetic press-like-to-save-earth types something to feel good about while they drive alone in their SUVs to the nearby grocery store to buy a single item.

 

The same mindset applies with regard to indigenous peoples' condition, some people want them to remain poor and primitive to "preserve culture" and such gospel is taught to these people to perpetuate their victimhood status.

 

Same thing with people on the left and Cuba. "Better travel to Cuba now before capitalism ruins it!" You wouldn't want their theme park to be spoiled. Never mind the poor people who are stuck there and don't have bundles of decadent dollars to spend.

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Haven't you heard, Cuba is paradise. Free health care! Education! Carribean flair! Vintage cars, oh so pretty! Cigars!

And aren't the run-down buildings picturesque!

And on the beaches, not a single political prisoner in sight.

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It would shock you to hear how many environmentalists pray every day (or they would if they believed in a god) that the third world never develops. Sickening.

Yup. Environmentalists want every third world country to remain like that in order not to spoil nature. And they give empty accolades such as "biodiversity superpower" to some third world countries in order for the latter to feel cozy and nice that they apparently are rich in biodiversity never mind if the economy sucks and lots of people are in poverty. Such empty titles usually give the rich upper class especially the apathetic press-like-to-save-earth types something to feel good about while they drive alone in their SUVs to the nearby grocery store to buy a single item.

 

The same mindset applies with regard to indigenous peoples' condition, some people want them to remain poor and primitive to "preserve culture" and such gospel is taught to these people to perpetuate their victimhood status.

 

 

Yes, and the more enterprising Third World kleptocrats are finding a way to benefit from that. See https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2020/03/faking-oil-discovery-to-extort-foreign.html

 

Congo May Have Fabricated an Oil Find to Leverage Foreign Aid

 

After the Republic of Congo announced the discovery of a vast oil field in the rain forest, Western countries rushed to provide development aid in exchange for protecting the environment. Reporting now indicates that the oil reserves may not exist

 

On the Republic of the Congo’s 59th Independence Day on Aug. 15, 2019, President Denis Sassou-Nguesso had an apparent sensation to announce to his people. A Congolese oil company claimed to have discovered an oil field in the north of the country with reserves of 359 million barrels. That would mean an immediate quadrupling of Congo’s oil production. In his speech, the president spoke of the "presence of high-grade reserves” at the site, called the Ngoki Block.

 

Then Sassou-Nguesso turned his attention to the environment. Some 30 billion tons of carbon is stored in the peatlands of northern Congo, and the president said that his country wanted to "serve humanity” by protecting the bogs. But Congo has a "right to development,” he continued, and the "compensation” that had been promised to his country "is still pending.”

 

In other words: Either the international community coughs up more money for environmental protection or the president will authorize oil drilling in an extremely sensitive ecosystem.

 

Sassou-Nguesso’s threat apparently had the desired effect. Just a few weeks later, French President Emmanuel Macron welcomed his Congolese counterpart in Paris, with the two leaders signing a declaration of intent that promised the African country 60 million euros in European aid, including a contribution from the German Environment Ministry. The money was intended in part to reduce the effects of oil drilling on the peat bogs. Sassou-Nguesso, for his part, promised to protect the ecosystem.

 

It looked like a win-win situation, but there was a catch: The alleged discovery of vast oil reserves was apparently fictional. Europe, it seems, had been bamboozled.

 

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