Don't Go Being Politically Insane You Climate Change Skeptics

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Ivanhoe]

Oops;

 

[JWB]

All that money for something that will only work for ten years:

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

I cant speak for the American ones, but ours last far longer than that. The one near me in Nymphsfield has been there since December 1996, and its still cranking out watts.

[JWB]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I cant speak for the American ones, but ours last far longer than that. The one near me in Nymphsfield has been there since December 1996, and its still cranking out watts.

You got lucky on that one. Average lift expectancy is 10 to 20. It's not that simple because bits and pieces start breaking in less than half decade.

[jmsaari]

4 hours ago, JWB said:

You got lucky on that one. Average lift expectancy is 10 to 20. It's not that simple because bits and pieces start breaking in less than half decade.

About 15 years has been the average actual lifetime of the wind turbines that have been dismantled in Finland also, but that has to be seen in the context that a large proportion of those were turbines built in the 1990's and early 2000s, when the technology was less mature than it is now. Case in point, more than half of our already-dismantled turbines were manufactured by the same domestic company (WinWind) who never quite got their technology to work reliably, and once the company went bankrupt as a result, the lack of spares supply forced a lot of operators to dismantle even those turbines that weren't starting to get to the (premature) wear-out stage yet. This meant that WinWind turbines ended up having an average lifetime of only about 10 years. I wouldnt be surprised if similar early failures were drawing down the average lifetimes elsewhere as well.

We'll see in around 10+ years how long the turbines built during the rapid growth period of last 10-15 years with presumably more mature technology end up lasting, but there's no reason at this point at least to assume they couldn't hit the 20-25 year targets.

[Ivanhoe]

Keep in mind that most wind turbines in the US are primarily for generating subsidies, not power.

Operators are guaranteed essentially no competition in power sales.

If they faced real market competition, there would be a lot fewer mills and the operators would be demanding a 25-50 year lifespan.

[jmsaari]

So there's still a price guarantee for newly-built wind power over there? That's just a monumental waste of money when the price levels are now such that in most places around the world land-based win will reach at least 30% of total electricity without subsidies before price cannibalization cuts the growth. Over here price guarantees for new projects ended from 2018 on which halted production just for a year or so, but rate of construction shot up again a few years later so that most of currently operating turbines are now less than 5 years old...

[Stuart Galbraith]

16 hours ago, JWB said:

You got lucky on that one. Average lift expectancy is 10 to 20. It's not that simple because bits and pieces start breaking in less than half decade.

I grant you he may have changed the blades on it. But the rest of it, the tower and the rest of it, im given to understand is original. Maybe because it was one of the first ones they overbuilt it.

Against that, I will say that on the local industrial estate someone erected a windmill that broke almost the day they installed it. It sat there 15 years broken because they company that built it went bust, and they eventually replaced it with a brand new one. So yes, perhaps they got lucky.

[Ivanhoe]

5 hours ago, jmsaari said:

So there's still a price guarantee for newly-built wind power over there? That's just a monumental waste of money when the price levels are now such that in most places around the world land-based win will reach at least 30% of total electricity without subsidies before price cannibalization cuts the growth. Over here price guarantees for new projects ended from 2018 on which halted production just for a year or so, but rate of construction shot up again a few years later so that most of currently operating turbines are now less than 5 years old...

In my state, the distribution operators are required to buy solar/wind first, with the cost/price differential being covered by subsidies, then shortages backfilled with gas/coal.

There's no rational reason why generators would invest in new, clean gas plants. Which leads to inevitable brownouts/blackouts when Mother Nature isn't cooperating. Its going to get worse due to population flows to the Sun Belt.

[lucklucky]

 

[sunday]

This call for that ancient Laconism

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...if eating meat is morally impermissible,...

"If"

[Ivanhoe]

https://electrek.co/2025/07/26/lion-electric-schools-bus-warranties-voided-leaving-districts-stuck/

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In a letter issued to exiting Lion Electric customers last week, Deloitte Restructuring announced that the warranties on all Lion vehicles purchased outside of the company’s home Province of Quebec are null and void – leaving dozens of school districts in the lurch with stranded assets that won’t get fixed, and can’t be sold to generate funds for replacements.

 

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Herscher isn’t the only district having problems with Lion buses. “All four Lion buses that we own are currently parked and not being used,” Coleen Souza, interim transportation director of Winthrop Public Schools, told Clean Trucking. “Two of them are in need of repairs which would cost us money which we are not willing to invest in because the buses do not run for more than a month before needing more repairs.”

More of the same in Maine, where Yarmouth School Department bought two Lion Electric buses in 2023 with the state covering the costs. According to Superintendent Andrew Dolloff, the buses almost never worked. “We’ve had some sporadic service over the past two years, but as soon as the tech leaves, the buses produce error codes again,” explained Dolloff. ” and “Then the technician quits or is released, and we wait a few months for the next response.”

 

 

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That’s right, kids. Quebec-based real estate company Groupe MACH, which stepped in to “save” Lion Electric earlier this summer, along with Ontario-based Mirella & Lino Saputo Foundation, bought $90 million of equity in Lion Electric back in 2023. And, while the MACH people may not have been the ones who ultimately made the call about voiding the warranties (that decision was made by the Deloitte bankruptcy team), it is absolutely Group MACH who have, to date, not announced plans to continue to honor those warranties, either.

https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-schools-spending-millions-on-electric-buses/
 

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An analysis by the Electric School Bus Initiative determined that electric buses save $100,000 in fuel and maintenance costs over a 15-year lifespan, compared to an equivalent diesel bus.

Even so, the electric buses would still cost school districts far more than their diesel counterparts without massive subsidies from federal taxpayers.

 

Apparently each bus costs about $300k each, vice $100k for diesel.

[sunday]

So, to save 100K in 15 years by spending 200K more every year?

Great deal!

[Soren Ras]

11 hours ago, lucklucky said:

 

I have a son who following a severe shellfood poisoning developed an auto-immune response to most food that left the medical doctors baffled. He had constant stomach cramps, lost weight and was miserable. The doctors essentially gave up trying to figure out how to help him, so eventually he tried going on an all carnivore diet. All symptoms disappeared and he started regaining muscle and weight. He is very slowly expanding his diet to include other types of food (honey and apples are fine as supplement to the meat) and we hope he can eventually come back to a more balanced variety.
However, without red meat, he was on track to die.

These two creatures are - as far as I am concerned - plotting to kill my son.  At this point in my life,  life in prison in exchange for killing them, would be an acceptable outcome.

[sunday]

How could you be so selfish?

Do you reckon a human life is negligible in front of the vague possibility of arresting the rising of average Global Temperature by, hmmm, about 0.0001degC in 500 years?

How do you DARE!

All hail Moloch!

NB: This is the only trolling that I do nowadays, and it should be clear that no one here is going to be  offended not led astray thinking this is a real stance on things

Edited to add, also:

I am very glad doctors found a solution for your kid's ailment, @Soren Ras.

Edited July 30, 2025 by sunday

[Soren Ras]

11 minutes ago, sunday said:

I am very glad doctors found a solution for your kid's ailment, @Soren Ras.

Thanks, but as it happens, it was himself who managed to figure out what the solution was, not the doctors. The only thing they managed was to rule out some rather exotic types of cancer, which of course is not nothing, but did not address the problem.

I am rather proud of the young man, and he learned a valuable lesson about the limitations of blindly relying on expertise, which may be more credentialed than actual.

[lucklucky]

Glad he got out of it himself Soren.

I have been also very disappointed in my contacts with medical profession. Anything that is out of the rails they learned in education and they are out of depth. In my case i noticed they are unable to ask more questions.

[lucklucky]

Glad he got out of it himself Soren.

I have been also very disappointed in my contacts with medical profession. Anything that is out of the rails they learned in education and they are out of depth. In my case i noticed they are unable to ask more questions.

[sunday]

18 minutes ago, Soren Ras said:

Thanks, but as it happens, it was himself who managed to figure out what the solution was, not the doctors. The only thing they managed was to rule out some rather exotic types of cancer, which of course is not nothing, but did not address the problem.

I am rather proud of the young man, and he learned a valuable lesson about the limitations of blindly relying on expertise, which may be more credentialed than actual.

Better still, and you already told so in the original post. Apologies for misremembering.

I think more people will act in a similar manner in the future, after experimenting some cases of large scale medical misdirection.

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Soren Ras said:

However, without red meat, he was on track to die.

Same, and I'm not even sick!

Seriously though, great that you guys have found a solution. 

1 hour ago, Soren Ras said:

These two creatures are - as far as I am concerned - plotting to kill my son.  At this point in my life,  life in prison in exchange for killing them, would be an acceptable outcome.

They would deserve death even if what they're doing wasn't a direct threat to anyone's life.

[Ivanhoe]

Dang Soren, that is good to read.

Docs are all over the map in ability and intent. Some years ago in a new town, I started going to a new GP on the recommendation of a friend in the medical professions. For the first two years or so, he was great, best GP I'd ever had. Then his practice was bought out by the big regional hospital center, and eventually he was just calling it in. The final straw was when I went in for a respiratory infection and he didn't even listen to breathing sounds.

An uncle of mine felt something was wrong, but docs kept telling him nothing was wrong. Fortunately, he didn't take no for an answer, and after about 2 years he finally found a head/neck doc that took him seriously. Xray showed a very obvious throat cancer. It was taken out of the picture, buying him years of life.

Our health is too important to leave in the hands of the medical profession.

[Stargrunt6]

7 hours ago, Soren Ras said:

I have a son who following a severe shellfood poisoning developed an auto-immune response to most food that left the medical doctors baffled. He had constant stomach cramps, lost weight and was miserable. The doctors essentially gave up trying to figure out how to help him, so eventually he tried going on an all carnivore diet. All symptoms disappeared and he started regaining muscle and weight. He is very slowly expanding his diet to include other types of food (honey and apples are fine as supplement to the meat) and we hope he can eventually come back to a more balanced variety.
However, without red meat, he was on track to die.

These two creatures are - as far as I am concerned - plotting to kill my son.  At this point in my life,  life in prison in exchange for killing them, would be an acceptable outcome.

There's a youtber, Melonie Mac, who claims her severe endometriosis went into remission because of the carnivore diet.

 

I'm glad he is feeling better. I think we need to talk bespoke diets based on dna in the future. 

[Tim Sielbeck]

10 hours ago, sunday said:

So, to save 100K in 15 years by spending 200K more every year?

Great deal!

Leftist magic math.

[Ivanhoe]

Never underestimate the left's eagerness to spend your money on their virtue-signaling.