Active Shooter In Olympia Mall In Munich

[BansheeOne]

Date 08.11.2016

 

German media: Key 'IS' suspect detained along with several others

German authorities have detained Abu Walaa and four other members of the so-called "Islamic State" (IS) in Lower Saxony and North Rhine-Westphalia on Tuesday morning. The men are suspected of recruiting German fighters.

Ahmad Abdelazziz A., a 32-year-old Iraqi imam who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Walaa, is considered by intelligence and security officials as one of Germany's leading jihadist figures.

Walaa and four other men were detained on Tuesday on suspicion of building a network to recruit German IS fighters, according to German broadcasters WDR and NDR, and the Süddeutsche newspaper. They targeted young Muslims in the states of Lower Saxony and North Rhine-Westphalia.

Aside from recruiting, Walaa and his associates also provided young Jihadists logistical and financial support for their journey to the Middle East

The four other detainees include a 50-year-old Turk, a 36-year-old German-Serb, a 27-year-old German and a 26-year-old Cameroonian.

Walaa was reportedly known as "the worst of them all," among security officials.

Federal prosecutors had been investigating Walaa and his associates since last fall. In July, officials raided a mosque in the city of Hildesheim, which is known for being a key meeting place for the German salafist movement.

Walaa, who was colloquially known as the "preacher without a face," hosted sermons at the mosque about waging jihad in the Middle East. Security officials observed that a number of people who attended the seminars later left Germany to travel to Syria.

"The seminars were a means of creating the ideological and semantic foundation for future service to IS, particularly when it came to fighting," federal prosecutors said.

At least one young man recruited by Walaa's network is believed to have traveled to Syria with his family to fight.

German media reported that the authorities were helped by the testimony of a German former IS fighter who had fled from Syria and spoken out against the Islamist regime. Anil O., 22, gave an interview to German media in Turkey while waiting to return to Germany. He identified Walaa as IS' number one in Germany."

All five detained men had previously denied any terrorist links.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/german-media-key-is-suspect-detained-along-with-several-others/a-36302613

[Markus Becker]

After months of behind closed doors negotiations the leaders of the CDU/CSU and the SPD have decided that the current foreign secretary Steinmeier will be the next German "president". Great choice because the guy is worse than useless in his current job. Guess what he did after (!) Trump got the nomination of Republican Party? He called him a "hate preacher"! The sheer stupidity amazes me. Insults a person who could be the next president of the USA. Definitely a good thing that genius will no longer have an important job after February.

 

PS: Steinmeier has always been careful to choose his words when speaking about Putin, Erdogan and Rouhani.

[Ssnake]

He's a peace junkie, willing to fellate any thug for the short-timed illusion of a minimal chance for peace. I used to dismiss him as ineffectual, but over the past two years he turned out to be actually damaging German interests pretty much on every major occasion. And the people love him for it. I'm not ready to pray for a SMOD, but I'm already thinking of it.

The saing grace being that all relevant decisions being made in the chancellor's office.

[BansheeOne]

I largely agree, but think Steinmeier's inclusion in the German terrorism watch thread is not quite warranted.

 

Meanwhile:

 

Date 15.11.2016

Police make raids against suspected 'IS' supporters across 10 states in Germany

Authorities have carried out more than 200 searches against suspected radical fundamentalists. German media reported that the targets were part of the well-known "True Religion" Salafist group.

A string of raids were carried out across Germany early on Tuesday morning against suspected "Islamic State" (IS) sympathizers. According to news agency DPA, the raids took place in more than 200 homes and offices across 10 federal states.

Authorities carried out searches targeting individuals belonging to the "True Religion" Salafist group ("Die wahre Religion"), who have stirred up controversy for passing out a particularly fundamentalist translation of the Koran.

The Interior Ministry confirmed the actions in a tweet, and announced a ban of the organization:

Some 65 raids were carried out in the state of Hesse, 15 of them in the city of Frankfurt alone. Every one of the searches took place in Berlin or the former West.

Salafism promotes a very strict interpretation of Islamic scripture and the use of Sharia law to impose order. The "True Religion" Salafists targeted in Tuesday’s raid have become infamous in Germany in recent years for disseminating copies of the Koran emblazoned with the slogan "Read It!" before they were banned from doing so in pedestrian zones by Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière.

A Twitter account appearing to represent the group claimed that "the Koran has been banned in Germany," going on to say "we have delivered Allah's message."

De Maizière elaborated on the cause of the raids in a press conference later in the day. He said that this particular translation of the Koran was used to "spread messages of hate and anti-constitutional ideologies," adding that "more than 140 young people have traveled to Syria and Iraq to join terrorist groups after participating in the 'Read It!' campaign."

The raids came just one week after German authorities began a renewed crackdown on the country’s top Salafist ideologues, including 32-year old hate preacher Abu Walaa. Walaa, an Iraqi who has been in Germany since 2000, is suspected of supporting IS interests in Germany.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/police-make-raids-against-suspected-is-supporters-across-10-states-in-germany/a-36395068

[Simon Tan]

Please stop being so Islamophobic.

[Markus Becker]

 

Welcome to the German Version of Groundhog Day.

[Panzermann]

Meanwhile someone still twitters from the "true religion"'s account and says that the quran and islam have been verboten in Germany. Bollocks of course. Terrorism enablers and recruiters are being put away in prison according to law. You can still attend services in a mosque or buy a freshly printed quran of you like.

 

https://www.twitter.com/diewahrereligio/status/798413760906063872?p=v

[BansheeOne]

The next politician to put her food in with criticism of action by security services against Islamists is the federal government's migration ombudswoman Aydan Özuguz who, while saying that authorities needed to know whether raids like against "True Religion" were the right way, warned that they needed to be done with a sense of proportion, and if they yielded nothing would create a sense of arbitrariness and give rise to conspiracy theories. Now I can see her point, and as always one should be careful about how people get quoted in the media; but conservatives and police union representatives didn't take kindly to her all-concerned suggestion of "arbitrariness". The head of the Central Council of Muslims, Aiman Mayzek, was much more savvy about noting the same possible problems, starting off by saying that outlawing Salafist groups serves the protection of all citizens, including Muslims, before adding that of course some of those groups might radicalize further and go underground.

Edited November 16, 2016 by BansheeOne

[Markus Becker]

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http://www.achgut.com/artikel/hat_die_bundesrepublik_hillarys_wahlkampf_mitfinanziert

 

State owned development agency payed money to the Clinton foundation.

 

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[BansheeOne]

Most surprising to me, it turns out the movement has a low, but existent number of adherents among police officers; Bavaria is investigating four alone, of which two have been suspended from duty.

 

I'm not sure if these are same officers, but two aged 49 and 50 were reported this week to have been put on administrative leave after they were found to have been in chat contact with the shooter in the Georgensmünd case. While the older is merely being treated as a witness, the younger's wife allegedly is a Reichsbürger herself, and he was found to have queried the police database about the perpetrator without authorization some time prior to the shootout. There seems to be no suspicion that he tipped him off about the impending raid so far though.

 

Bavarian State Interior Minister Joachim Hermann also stated that there are about 1,700 adherents of the Reichsbürger movement in Bavaria, 340 of which have gun licenses; that's a rather high proportion compared to 3.6 million legal gunowners overall out of a national population of 81 million. I guess it goes with the whole outlook of living under an illegal government.

 

Meanwhile the guy who rented the flat to the alleged would-be bomber in the Chemnitz case has been released from remand and seems not to have been a willing accomplice, though he was reported to have given some information on an actual network of Islamist supporters. Also, the plans for joint staff exercises evaluating cooperation between police and military in domestic emergencies in March next year appear to have been finalized with six states now participating - Baden-Württemberg, Bavaria, Bremen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Saarland and Schleswig-Holstein. Notably, this includes CDU/CSU-, SPD- and Green-ruled states.

[BansheeOne]

Good old Renate Künast of the Greens whose main concern after the Würzburg train axing spree was why police couldn't just render the perpetrator incapacitated rather than killing him reliably took to Twitter again after the Reichsbürger shootout, suggesting that there was a lack of media outrage compared to what would have been if the killer had been an Islamist.

 

Renate is back in the news, but this time she actually looks like the victim of the fashionable fake news trend. Various right-wing Facebook profiles had quoted her with allegedly stating about the Freiburg refugee rape case "While the traumatized young refugee has killed, one still has to help him now" to the "Süddeutsche Zeitung". Except that both she and the newspaper denied this statement was ever made; "Spiegel Online" notes the halting German of the supposed quote, including capitalizing "Junge", which makes it look like somebody wanted to write "boy". You get that in a lot of posts from self-styled defenders of German culture, indicating they're not particularly firm in their written German, and possibly not from Germany at all.

 

The case also feeds into the general debate of Facebook being slow to take down fake news, slander or hate speech under relevant German law; Künast complains it took three days and 5,000-plus shares of one of the posts alone for the company to react, despite her calling Facebook's chief lobbyist in Germany personally in addition to going through the regular reporting channels.

[Markus Becker]

-auf-facebook-a-1125240.html"]"Spiegel Online" notes the halting German of the supposed quote[/url], including capitalizing "Junge", which makes it look like somebody wanted to write "boy". You get that in a lot of posts from self-styled defenders of German culture, indicating they're not particularly firm in their written German, and possibly not from Germany at all.

 

But several decades of school reforms have taken a huge toll on the skill and knowledge of the students.

 

The case also feeds into the general debate of Facebook being slow to take down fake news, slander or hate speech under relevant German law; Künast complains it took three days and 5,000-plus shares of one of the posts alone for the company to react, despite her calling Facebook's chief lobbyist in Germany personally in addition to going through the regular reporting channels.

Conspiracy theory on: The fact that the pro censorship crowed exploits this means it was a false flag operation by some left NGO funded by the department of justice.

[BansheeOne]

But several decades of school reforms have taken a huge toll on the skill and knowledge of the students.

 

No shit. Sometimes I think I'm the last human on earth who can write proper German, and after the Great Reform I'm not always sure about that either.

[Panzermann]

 

 

But several decades of school reforms have taken a huge toll on the skill and knowledge of the students.

No shit. Sometimes I think I'm the last human on earth who can write proper German, and after the Great Reform I'm not always sure about that either.

I have got an old nineties Duden on the writing desk and use old german orthography file for my automatic correction. Just because.

 

Though the reformed orthography is not as bad as some make it out to be, the downward spiral in education is the real problem. Coupled with a much higher visibility nowadays, because everyone is writing today. Back in ye olden days professionals have been writing most of all published written texts. Today anybody with an internet connection is a "published writer".

[Ssnake]

Though the reformed orthography is not as bad as some make it out to be,

 

I suppose we have to agree to disagree on that one. The prime justification for the education ministries to dictate new orthography, something which in itself was way beyond their authority to begin with, was to bring down the error rates in the pupils' spelling. Now, years later, the rates have not only failed to go down, but actually gone up. At the same time the new rules are adding more ambiguity, create a false connection between word stems ("Quäntchen", "Stängel"), or are just as illogical as the rules they replaced, just different.

 

We had a unified spelling prior to the reform across all newspapers. Now most newspapers have set their own "standards" that are usually a mix of traditional and new spelling.

 

The worst aspect is that so many people were willing to hastily adopt an illegitimate law even when it actually had zero authority for them. The law was and is limited to schools and public services, nobody else is obliged to follow it.

[Panzermann]

Oh I think we agree more than disagree there. The ambiguity added in by the reforms and illogic and just plain ignorance on part of the "experts" tasked with the reform is a pain in the butt, yes. e.g. "Thron" has withstood several reforms, although there has not been a diphtong in german language for centuries. And your examples of course. And let's not get started on the changes to where a comma is put, or not. Or maybe.

 

 

The actual problem with the bad writing skills comes from bad schools that are on a self reinforcing downward spiral, because the new students wanting to become teachers are already dumbed down. And there is a steady movement to dumb down school and university even more. Instead of hiring more teachers and train those better.

 

 

The reform is more of a symptom than a cause imho.

[BansheeOne]

A German-born twelve-year-old with German-Iraqi citizenship is alleged to have planted two crude homemade bombs in Ludwigshafen, RLP during the last weeks; neither went off. It's being suggested this is another case of "IS remote control" via the internet, like the Würzburg axeman and Ansbach bomber who were in chat contact with outsiders during their acts. It's beating the age record by a fair bit though; the two guys currently on trial for bombing an Essen Sikh temple in April were 16 at the time, and the girl who stabbed a federal cop in the neck at Hannover Central Station this summer 15.

[Markus Becker]

In other news:

 

A member of the Turkish intelligence has been arrested in Hamburg for planning assassinations of prominent Kurdish exiles and the DiTIB is under investigation for espionage. Collecting intel on various critics of the Erdogan regime: Kurds, Gülenists but also German politicians critical of the regime.

[Panzermann]

In other news:

 

A member of the Turkish intelligence has been arrested in Hamburg for planning assassinations of prominent Kurdish exiles and the DiTIB is under investigation for espionage. Collecting intel on various critics of the Erdogan regime: Kurds, Gülenists but also German politicians critical of the regime.

turkish state controlled Media is blaring that good turks should report kurds, gülenists and other enemies to the turkish embassies for some time now.

 

 

Yeah. well. right. we had that twice in Germany and now we have migrants doing it. Is this considered proper integration?

 

And our law enforcement is slow to react. Partly because only a few speak the language and know these communities.

[Markus Becker]

In more other news: a truck ran into a christmas market in Berlin. Nine dead, 50 or so injured. State owned Berlin TV station rbb says police suspects terrorism.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

jeeze

I am sorry

I'm afraid to ask what's next

[Markus Becker]

There will be an extra on TV in 15 minutes. On the other thread a newspaper reported the perp might have escaped. Emphasis on might.

[Markus Becker]

Axel, Dave you and everybody else OK?

 

 

BTW, one perp dead, the other in custody.

[BansheeOne]

Yeah, I was playing KSP all evening - my mother called from home to inform me of events. Just posted in the Islamic Terror Attacks thread (though it's not clear whether this was one yet). Dave texted me to inquire some time ago, too.

[toysoldier]

Not again and again and again