Stuart Galbraith Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 You have to wonder at the mindset of people that enjoy the benefits of living and working in a democratic, pluralistic and economically successful country, and they vote for the exact opposite for their home country. Im sure there is a logic there, but Im damned if I get it.
Roman Alymov Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 You have to wonder at the mindset of people that enjoy the benefits of living and working in a democratic, pluralistic and economically successful country, and they vote for the exact opposite for their home country. It raises the question of if they REALLY enjoy? What their relatives from Turkey tell them about situation at home? Turks go to work even in Russia (hardly place for “best job on the planet”), and seems like regions far from tourist seashore places are quite poor. Not surprising this rural areas vote for change (while coast regions hate Erdogan for his actions causing reduction of tourist flow).To some extent it is similar to Russia, where minority benefited greatly from “capitalism” (on expense of others) while majority dream about good old USSR days.
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 In 20 years Turkey will reign over Europe!!
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 You have to wonder at the mindset of people that enjoy the benefits of living and working in a democratic, pluralistic and economically successful country, and they vote for the exact opposite for their home country. It raises the question of if they REALLY enjoy? What their relatives from Turkey tell them about situation at home? Turks go to work even in Russia (hardly place for “best job on the planet”), and seems like regions far from tourist seashore places are quite poor. Not surprising this rural areas vote for change (while coast regions hate Erdogan for his actions causing reduction of tourist flow).To some extent it is similar to Russia, where minority benefited greatly from “capitalism” (on expense of others) while majority dream about good old USSR days. Or alternatively, the people in the countryside as thick as two short planks, and believe any old nonsense the leadership tell them. its no secret. All authoritarian societies begin by playing the have nots off against the haves.
TonyE Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 In 20 years Turkey will reign over Europe!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSDb8pD6sno&t=461s
sunday Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 In 20 years Turkey will reign over Europe!!Poland and Hungary seem decided to not let that to happen, despite the high probability of their European neighbours repeating the partitions of Poland or the Treaty of Trianon.
Roman Alymov Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Or alternatively, the people in the countryside as thick as two short planks, and believe any old nonsense the leadership tell them.I am distant from considering one sort of people better or smarter from another. Actually it is what Russian liberals are doing (calling themselves “people with good faces” vs. political opponents from lower classes and non-privileged regions) Edited April 17, 2017 by Roman Alymov
urbanoid Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 In 20 years Turkey will reign over Europe!!Poland and Hungary seem decided to not let that to happen, despite the high probability of their European neighbours repeating the partitions of Poland or the Treaty of Trianon. This 'reign over Europe thing' is not going to happen, but if it would, we would not be in any position to stop it.
TonyE Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 In 20 years Turkey will reign over Europe!!Poland and Hungary seem decided to not let that to happen, despite the high probability of their European neighbours repeating the partitions of Poland or the Treaty of Trianon. This 'reign over Europe thing' is not going to happen, but if it would, we would not be in any position to stop it. Poland cannot into remove?
urbanoid Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 Poland has its fair share of potential problems, Turkey is very, very far on the list.
Mikel2 Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 You have to wonder at the mindset of people that enjoy the benefits of living and working in a democratic, pluralistic and economically successful country, and they vote for the exact opposite for their home country. It raises the question of if they REALLY enjoy? What their relatives from Turkey tell them about situation at home? Turks go to work even in Russia (hardly place for “best job on the planet”), and seems like regions far from tourist seashore places are quite poor. Not surprising this rural areas vote for change (while coast regions hate Erdogan for his actions causing reduction of tourist flow).To some extent it is similar to Russia, where minority benefited greatly from “capitalism” (on expense of others) while majority dream about good old USSR days. We all tend to look at the past with rose-colored glasses, but what you say is very unsettling. Russians miss one of the most murderous regimes in the history of mankind? Surely your fellow countrymen can aspire to better things. Be careful, sometimes people see their wishes come true.
Jeff Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 Sultan is NATO. NATO is Sultan.Which begs the question, what does NATO do now? It's pretty clear we have e member who is no longer a functioning democracy. One that is often on the opposite side of NATO member interests. Yet, if Turkey is kicked out, they run to Russia and we can say goodbye to bases that are necessary to prosecute the war against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Quite the mess.
Josh Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 Well for starters the US needs to get its nukes out of Incirlik. Whether or not Turkey should remain in NATO is a less pressing matter. Is there even a mechanism for kicking a country out? I've never read up on it.
Roman Alymov Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Del Edited April 17, 2017 by Roman Alymov
RETAC21 Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Sultan is NATO. NATO is Sultan.Which begs the question, what does NATO do now? It's pretty clear we have e member who is no longer a functioning democracy. One that is often on the opposite side of NATO member interests. Yet, if Turkey is kicked out, they run to Russia and we can say goodbye to bases that are necessary to prosecute the war against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Quite the mess. NATO doesn't need a democracy, it worked happily with Salazar's Portugal or the colonel's Greece, as well as previous Turkish military governments. The problem is whether Erdogan's aims and NATO's are aligned nowadays... Edited April 17, 2017 by RETAC21
Corinthian Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 In 20 years Turkey will reign over Europe!!Centuries of Americans genociding turkeys under the guise of Thanksgiving and this is the expected result. Again, it's Bush's USA's fault. Does this mean that Yurrup will get a new Old Sick Man?
Panzermann Posted April 18, 2017 Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) I guess the Turks in Germany just want to punish the old country? Certainly looks that way.The Sultan is most popular in the backw.. err rural areas. Guess where the Turks living here came from?only about 47% of possible voters even bothered to vote. So 63% did not vote for various reasons we can only speculate about. Afraid to be put on a list for voting wrong? Not much of a connection to Turkey anymore? Other? edit: in germany that is. Edited April 18, 2017 by Panzermann
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