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5 hours ago, Coldsteel said:

SA were more sort of enforcers for the national socialists, weren't they?

They were.

Of the kneecapping, bone breaking, shooty-stabby type.

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“There’s no evidence to support the use of ivermectin to treat Covid-19,” Professor Gunja told Western Sydney Health’s news website, The Pulse.

yeah, suuuure...

They have only used Ivermectin in Uttar Pradesh to eradicate covid there, but no, no evidence...

Also, it is not like Australia could buy Ivermectin to India, cheaply and by the metric ton, as Dr. Campbell explains in the video. That the Aussie government decided to not to is the fault of that government.

Most of the issues addressed in that newsrag, like scarcity for treating diseases that are quite rare in Australia, are already addressed in that video, too.

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Is that why the Indian government has removed ivermectin from its guidelines for covid treatments citing lack of evidence for its effectiveness?

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/pharma/icmr-removes-ivermectin-and-hydroxycholoquine-hcq-from-covid-19-treatment-guidelines/86473199

The problem at the moment for this medication is the lack of good quality studies. Research that has been done has demonstrated little evidence for its effectiveness and several studies claiming to have demonstrated some kind of effect have been withdrawn by their own authors prior to peer review for using questionable data.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

FWIW, similar claims were being made in Zimbabwe earlier in the year yet they had another subsequent spike in covid anyway.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/zimbabwe/

 

Fundamentally I just don't understand this, I really don't. People will apparently refuse to take a vaccine citing its apparently experimental nature and potential side effects, yet at the same time they will happily take a drug whose use as a covid treatment is supported by at best a handful of extremely questionable studies and whose apparent side effects especially in the doses people seem to be determined to take it are far worse than those recorded for any vaccine. See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/30/fact-check-590-spike-texas-poison-control-calls-ivermectin/5643254001/ for example. If the government was telling people to take that shit then there would be absolute uproar.

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2 minutes ago, Adam_S said:

Fundamentally I just don't understand this, I really don't.

It has nothing to do with "understanding", and everything with emotion. This isn't how people work.

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10 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

It has nothing to do with "understanding", and everything with emotion. This isn't how people work.

Well, yes. The whole thing is starting to feel like some kind of absurd gigantic field experiment in cognitive dissonance.

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Sometimes one only has to look at reality.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/33-districts-in-uttar-pradesh-are-now-covid-free-state-govt-101631267966925.html
 

This is from September 10th.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-covid-cases-down-by-99-since-peak/articleshow/86500849.cms

This was published on September 25th.

USA Today article is from August.

Guardian article is from July.

There was that umpteenth corollary to Murphy's law that said "If it is stupid but works, then it is not stupid".

Sorry, guys, but those articles in the Indian press are the most current facts available, and those support the efficiency of Ivermectin, big time.

I think Dr. Campbell, in that video linked before the start of this late fracas, video that apparently no one of you contrarians has bothered to watch, discusses the safety of Ivermectin, it has been used by the million doses in humans in order to treat human diseases, and it is really difficult to overdose with.

Let me link that video again, as you seem to have some issues finding it:


But well, if you want to keep with the Scientist crap, then it is not my circus, not my monkeys. However, people has the right to be informed, and the VAERS data, albeit suffering from underreporting, is still there.

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5 minutes ago, sunday said:

Sometimes one only has to look at reality.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/33-districts-in-uttar-pradesh-are-now-covid-free-state-govt-101631267966925.html
 

This is from September 10th.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-covid-cases-down-by-99-since-peak/articleshow/86500849.cms

This was published on September 25th.

USA Today article is from August.

Guardian article is from July.

There was that umpteenth corollary to Murphy's law that said "If it is stupid but works, then it is not stupid".

Sorry, guys, but those articles in the Indian press are the most current facts available, and those support the efficiency of Ivermectin, big time.

From your articles:

"This was supported with partial covid-19 curfew and aggressive vaccination"

"On the vaccination front, around 7 crore people in the state have received their first dose of the jab. The vaccination coverage in the state has exceeded 8.47 crores, out of which, 12 lakh people have been inoculated in the last 2 hours"

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Adam_S said:

Is that why the Indian government has removed ivermectin from its guidelines for covid treatments citing lack of evidence for its effectiveness?

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/pharma/icmr-removes-ivermectin-and-hydroxycholoquine-hcq-from-covid-19-treatment-guidelines/86473199

The problem at the moment for this medication is the lack of good quality studies. Research that has been done has demonstrated little evidence for its effectiveness and several studies claiming to have demonstrated some kind of effect have been withdrawn by their own authors prior to peer review for using questionable data.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

FWIW, similar claims were being made in Zimbabwe earlier in the year yet they had another subsequent spike in covid anyway.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/zimbabwe/

 

Fundamentally I just don't understand this, I really don't. People will apparently refuse to take a vaccine citing its apparently experimental nature and potential side effects, yet at the same time they will happily take a drug whose use as a covid treatment is supported by at best a handful of extremely questionable studies and whose apparent side effects especially in the doses people seem to be determined to take it are far worse than those recorded for any vaccine. See https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/30/fact-check-590-spike-texas-poison-control-calls-ivermectin/5643254001/ for example. If the government was telling people to take that shit then there would be absolute uproar.

If they had said it as horse laxitive and were making it available for an exorbitant price, everyone would want it.

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So how do we know it was the ivermectin and not the curfew, social distancing and aggressive vaccination campaign?

As I pointed out already, other countries that have tried the ivermectin have shown little in the way of positive results from it. The reality is that there are a lot of other factors in consideration as RETAC21 has kindly pointed out. The best approach is to do a proper large scale randomised control trial to rule out other factors that could be producing the effect being looked for. As of now, the best available evidence is that ivermectin does not appear to do much of anything.

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3 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

If they had said it as horse laxitive and were making it available for an exorbitant price, everyone would want it.

Hmmmm.

<does google image search for pictures of Donald Trump and checks eBay for bulk horse laxative supplies>

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1 minute ago, Adam_S said:

So how do we know it was the ivermectin and not the curfew, social distancing and aggressive vaccination campaign?

Because that did not work in any other place, duh?

See Israel, for instance.

Of course, if you keep trying to keep bloviating without watching that video first, video that answers most of your objections on Ivermectin, then one could decide that time is a commodity too valuable to waste.

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3 minutes ago, sunday said:

Because that not worked in any other place, duh?

Israel, UK, Canada, most of Europe...

Cases are coming down in New South Wales too actually.

Uttar Pradesh also sounds like it's well ahead of most of India in terms of vaccinations FWIW and have been smashing it with their test and trace program too

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/33-districts-in-uttar-pradesh-are-now-covid-free-state-govt-101631267966925.html

Again, without any large scale randomised control trial it's hard to prove conclusively that ivermectin has had any effect.

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Did you watch the video?

No, because the last link to it was posted 12 minutes ago, and it has a running time of 18 minutes.

Kindly go waste anyone else's time, please.

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3 minutes ago, sunday said:

Did you watch the video?

No, because the last link to it was posted 12 minutes ago, and it has a running time of 18 minutes.

Kindly waste anyone else time, please.

Perhaps you could summarize the salient points for me.

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8 minutes ago, Mikel2 said:

People don't misuse aspirin or penicillin?

There was that infamous article on Rolling Stone:

https://www.facebook.com/NHSSequoyah/posts/4192195714168045?mc_cid=e7a9db0d7d&mc_eid=a7ec954a8a

https://firstdraftnews.org/articles/rolling-stones-botched-ivermectin-story-raises-questions-about-the-nature-of-misinformation/

And frankly, especially after that Dr. Campbell video, being Dr. Campbell a proponent of the kung flu vaccine, but not a bigot against complementary/alternative treatments, talking of Ivermectin merely as a "horse dewormer" probably reveals some kind of lack of intellectual honesty.

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1 hour ago, Adam_S said:

Fundamentally I just don't understand this, I really don't. People will apparently refuse to take a vaccine citing its apparently experimental nature and potential side effects, yet at the same time they will happily take a drug whose use as a covid treatment is supported by at best a handful of extremely questionable studies and whose apparent side effects especially in the doses people seem to be determined to take it are far worse than those recorded for any vaccine.

Can you cite some actual papers on the overdose levels of ivermectin instead of a USA Today fact check by reporters?

Also, you do realize that the push against ivermectin, DAR and other methods as viable treatments are a death-knell to the Emergency Use Authorizations for the Vaccines in the US? NO EUA, no safe harbor from the liability. 

 

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6 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Can you cite some actual papers on the overdose levels of ivermectin instead of a USA Today fact check by reporters?

Can I give information about how much of the stuff people have been taking? Probably not because I don't think that's been published. There is this from the CDC.

https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/han00449.asp

7 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Also, you do realize that the push against ivermectin, DAR and other methods as viable treatments are a death-knell to the Emergency Use Authorizations for the Vaccines in the US? NO EUA, no safe harbor from the liability.

How so?

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