Because Australia

[Coldsteel]

10 minutes ago, sunday said:

Shall I note again that Australia is not a penal colony anymore?

Yes, that's a common misconception.

[lucklucky]

1 hour ago, DougRichards said:

If you have a choice between 14 days in a quarantine establishment, so that you don't spread the plague to others, or 14 days in your home, so you don't spread the plague to others, which would you choose?

Or are you saying that everyone who may be contagious should simply be allowed to spread the plague?

 

There is an old saying: "Your right to wave your fists ends at the point of my nose."

 

 

You made my point. Totalitarian indeed and with your help.

 

 

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, DougRichards said:

If you have a choice between 14 days in a quarantine establishment, so that you don't spread the plague to others, or 14 days in your home, so you don't spread the plague to others, which would you choose?

Why not be quick and efficient and just put them in prison camps?

2 hours ago, DougRichards said:

Or are you saying that everyone who may be contagious should simply be allowed to spread the plague?

Can't have anyone with the ability to be free. 

Speaking of, the police that had that party? Have they been arrested, fired and dragged out of their homes by their ankles in chains yet?

2 hours ago, DougRichards said:

There is an old saying: "Your right to wave your fists ends at the point of my nose."

That's best solved by putting everyone in bondage arm binders. I'm beginning to understand why the leather harnesses and chaps were a thing for the Mad Max Films. You guys are all dreadfully submissive kink-sters. 

 

[Steven P Allen]

3 hours ago, DougRichards said:

There is an old saying: "Your right to wave your fists ends at the point of my nose."

 

But, Doug, that saying doesn't give you the right to lock me in my house (or anywhere else) on the off-chance that my arm may accidentally come in contact with your nose.  If you stay six feet away from me, well, my arms aren't that long, you see?

[DougRichards]

17 hours ago, Steven P Allen said:

But, Doug, that saying doesn't give you the right to lock me in my house (or anywhere else) on the off-chance that my arm may accidentally come in contact with your nose.  If you stay six feet away from me, well, my arms aren't that long, you see?

Liberty, or how it is perceived, is a strange thing, it varies according to culture and the like.

To take things to extremes, or maybe not all that extreme, depending on where you are from.

In Most English speaking countries (that includes the USA by the way) incest is prohibited by law, and many in those English speaking countries, including myself, would agree that this is a reasonable curb on what some people would claim be to liberty.  (There are some technical arguments about this of course).

But in Russia incest is not illegal, in Spain consensual incest is not illegal, in Brazil it is not illegal, in Japan it is not illegal.....  I could go on and list many countries.... it is also understood that that are conditions upon this legality, such as informed consent, age restrictions and the like.

Meanwhile, in the USA the age of consent to non incestuous sex varies from 16 to 18, depending on the state.

Could someone in the USA claim that their liberties are being infringed for, as an adult, not being legally allowed to have incestuous sex when over the age of 18?

Or could a 17 year old couple be able to claim that their liberties were being infringed n their state when others in the USA can have sex at the age of 16?

 

Of course these examples are extreme, but they raise the issue of what liberties are innate.  A citizen of Spain or Brazil may claim that their liberty to have sex with a family member is commensurate to that of someone in the USA to bear arms.  

[bojan]

It is whataboutism.

Test arrivals, if positive quarantine them, if not let them live their lives. Yes, some positives will slip through and spread it around. There is no 100% security in anything you do, and you can not ever reach it, no matter the level of tyranny you establish.

If you want state to intervene in lives... make vaccination mandatory for everyone except those with medical reasons and then let people live their lives. But that will not happen, since obviously point is not in controlling disease.

Edited September 4, 2021 by bojan

[sunday]

On 9/3/2021 at 4:05 PM, Coldsteel said:

Yes, that's a common misconception.

Especially among the Australian ruling elites, it seems.

[rmgill]

So its always been a imprisonable offense to go out of doors when you had some sort of illness in Oz? How do you treat your HIV+ population? Are they all in lockup or do they wear steel locking chastity cages and belts?  Do the authorities there cut peoples genitals off to prevent rape, incest, etc? 
 

You're justifying radical laws that assert imprisonment and control to prevent incidents with long standing laws that punish illegal acts after the fact. Such confusion is very silly. 

[Adam_S]

On 9/5/2021 at 1:28 AM, rmgill said:

So its always been a imprisonable offense to go out of doors when you had some sort of illness in Oz?

Under certain circumstances, yes. Quarantine has been around for a very long time. It used to be TB here many years ago, now it's the Kung Flu.

For example:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/tuberculosis/Pages/legal_aspects_tb.aspx

 

 

[Adam_S]

Incidentally they have the same kind of laws in the Land of the Free too.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/index.html

More info:

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/historyquarantine.html

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by Adam_S
found a better link

[rmgill]

11 hours ago, Adam_S said:

Under certain circumstances, yes. Quarantine has been around for a very long time. It used to be TB here many years ago, now it's the Kung Flu.

For example:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/tuberculosis/Pages/legal_aspects_tb.aspx

What about for influenza? 

[rmgill]

11 hours ago, Adam_S said:

Incidentally they have the same kind of laws in the Land of the Free too.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/index.html

Yeah. For things like Ebola. This isn't Ebola. 

[Adam_S]

25 minutes ago, rmgill said:

What about for influenza? 

Actually, SARS is on the list, believe it or not.

[lucklucky]

https://theconversation.com/facebook-or-twitter-posts-can-now-be-quietly-modified-by-the-government-under-new-surveillance-laws-167263

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A new law gives Australian police unprecedented powers for online surveillance, data interception and altering data. These powers, outlined in the Surveillance Legislation Amendment (Identify and Disrupt) Bill, raise concerns over potential misuse, privacy and security.

 

[sunday]

Not Australia but relatively close.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210909065613/https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/zealand-feared-extremist-found-stop-79910938
 

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WELLINGTON, New Zealand -- Immigration officers feared him. So, too, did prosecutors, prison officials and police. They thought he could launch a terror attack at any moment. Even the prime minister wanted him deported.

Yet, in the end, nobody in New Zealand was able to stop an extremist inspired by the Islamic State group from walking free from prison in July. Seven weeks later, he grabbed a knife at an Auckland supermarket and began stabbing shoppers, injuring seven in a frenzied attack.

(...)

And, surprise, surprise, after that egregious and protracted show of incompetence that resulted in crime, what is the first reaction of those would-be Lenins, yes, to ban knives.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/570920-knives-taken-off-supermarket-shelves-in-new-zealand-after-terrorist
 

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A New Zealand supermarket chain announced that it was temporarily removing all scissors and knives from its shelves following an attack that left several people injured at one of its stores on Friday.

(...)

Reuters noted, citing local reports, that sharp knives had been taken off shelves at other supermarkets too.

On Friday, a Sri Lankan national who was previously known to security forces in New Zealand entered a Countdown supermarket, going after several customers and stabbing them, witnesses said. 

(...)

Then, back on topic, to the land of venomous snakes and spiders:

https://summit.news/2021/09/09/aussie-public-health-chief-says-covid-contact-tracing-is-part-of-new-world-order/

But there is more:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/australia-confiscates-alcohol-limits-residents-lockdown-six-beers-pre-mixed-drinks-one-bottle-wine/

Communist China is beginning to look like a haven of freedom.

Edited September 9, 2021 by sunday

[Simon Tan]

Cuckistan.

[Ivanhoe]

Aussies should start looking into home stills and whatnot.

I foresee a black market in private deliveries of malted barley and hops. Perhaps drone-delivered.

 

 

[sunday]

https://www.rebelnews.com/significant_fines_for_nsw_businesses_serving_unvaccinated_customers

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The state government intends to force all non-essential businesses to exclude unvaccinated patrons from their premises. Barilaro added that any business that serves an unvaccinated customer will face significant fines and severe penalties. Police will be sent to ‘keep an eye’ on businesses that do not check compliance.

“If you want to go and buy something which is regarded as a non-essential shop, you will put up the QR code and if it is not a green light saying you have been vaccinated, you won’t be welcome inside,” said NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian.

 

[lucklucky]

On 9/9/2021 at 10:54 AM, sunday said:

Communist China is beginning to look like a haven of freedom.

They are not really Communist in practice anymore. But nt saying they could not return to type.

 

Australia:

C.S. Lewis     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis

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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

 

 

Edited September 11, 2021 by lucklucky

[sunday]

Precisely, lucklucky, precisely.

[Coldsteel]

Run mainly by second rate people indeed.

I have seen more intelligent creatures than you lying on their backs at the bottoms of ponds. I have seen better organised creatures than you running round farmyards with their heads cut off.

[sunday]

The Karen of Karens.

And it is likely that most of the scum that used to play that song from Wizard of Oz about a bell and the death of a witch  when Baroness Thatcher died, are quite happy with this individual.

[rmgill]

She's better than Adenoid Hynkel!




And hey Coldsteel, glad to see you're still kicking or spinning round in circles. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by rmgill

[NickM]

9 hours ago, Coldsteel said:

Run mainly by second rate people indeed.

I have seen more intelligent creatures than you lying on their backs at the bottoms of ponds. I have seen better organised creatures than you running round farmyards with their heads cut off.

Ah, a Fawltey Towers fan!

[NickM]

6 hours ago, rmgill said:

She's better than Adenoid Hynkel!




And hey Coldsteel, glad to see you're still kicking or spinning round in circles. 

IF You MUST show a clip from that movie, I much prefer this one: just go to the 20 second mark: