Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[AttilaA]

16 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

How significant is the fifference between Azerbaijani language  and Turkish one? As far as i remember, guys from Azernaijan were quite common among Turkish hotel/tourisy service stuff, as they were both fluent in Russian and able to speak local language, but i do not know how long is the training process). 

Not identical but mutually intelligible. Azerbaijanis understand Turkish better than the other way around, partly also because of Turkish media influence. 

Azerbaijani and Turkish diverged in 15th century. The Qara Qoyunlu and Aq Qoyunlu already spoke the language we call Azerbaijani today, but prior to 15th century it would be difficult to distinguish the Oghuz Turkic spoken in Anatolia (Turkey) and Azerbaijan. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2025 by AttilaA

[Roman Alymov]

On 7/6/2025 at 12:12 AM, AttilaA said:

Not identical but mutually intelligible. Azerbaijanis understand Turkish better than the other way around, partly also because of Turkish media influence. 

Azerbaijani and Turkish diverged in 15th century. The Qara Qoyunlu and Aq Qoyunlu already spoke the language we call Azerbaijani today, but prior to 15th century it would be difficult to distinguish the Oghuz Turkic spoken in Anatolia (Turkey) and Azerbaijan. 

  Thank you! By the way, how strong are the diffeerences/dialects within modern day Tuekey itself, among Iranian Azeri and inside Azerbaijan utself? Is it possible, for example, to tell ethnic Talysh or Lezgin from Azeri?

   Ironically, Armenians (who are the oldest ethnic group in the region, even "older" then Iranians as far as i understand) do not care to make this distinctions and label all "Turks".

   Greek-British take on recent events

https://youtu.be/_TTf24Z2vOQ?feature=shared

[JWB]

I wonder what Putin thinks about this......

 

[JWB]

Bow your head?

 

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

Bow your head?

 

Anton wants to fight Russia to the last Azeri.  I wonder if Azerbaijan wants to be a pawn for Ukraine.

Edited July 24, 2025 by glenn239

[Mighty_Zuk]

17 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Anton wants to fight Russia to the last Azeri.  I wonder if Azerbaijan wants to be a pawn for Ukraine.

Azerbaijan is an independent state with agency. They decide what they want and don't want. And their relationship with Russia was strained for a long time even without the war.

Their biggest regional threat - Iran, is an ally of Russia. And Russia prefers Iran over Azerbaijan if it came down to a binary choice.

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Azerbaijan is an independent state with agency. 

Azerbaijan is a small fish in a large pond, and recently have evolved a habit of nipping the sharks.

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Their biggest regional threat - Iran, is an ally of Russia. And Russia prefers Iran over Azerbaijan if it came down to a binary choice.

The Azeris themselves have made an enemy of Iran by choosing to support Israel in the recent war via opening up their airspace.  Perhaps for the next go-around there will be wiser councils in Baku.  

[urbanoid]

Glenn always ready to surrender, nothing new under the sun.

Meanwhile Azerbaijan seems to have quite a powerful friend nearby.

[glenn239]

19 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Glenn always ready to surrender, nothing new under the sun.

Meanwhile Azerbaijan seems to have quite a powerful friend nearby.

I don't care what Azerbaijan does or does not do, but if they get into a war with Russia and Iran, then either they're idiots or more likely, their leadership is taking payola.  

[Mighty_Zuk]

12 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

I don't care what Azerbaijan does or does not do, but if they get into a war with Russia and Iran, then either they're idiots or more likely, their leadership is taking payola.  

Glenn:

"Azeris are idiots"

Also Glenn:

"They should ally with the eternal losers Iran"

[urbanoid]

34 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

I don't care what Azerbaijan does or does not do, but if they get into a war with Russia and Iran, then either they're idiots or more likely, their leadership is taking payola.  

Yeah, I'm sure Turkey would totally allow Ukraine-involved Russia and recently buckbroken Iran to hurt the Azeris. I doubt either would even try.

What we've been seeing recently is Russia being run out the Caucasus, except Georgia. For now, hopefully at least.

[TrustMe]

2 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Glenn:

"Azeris are idiots"

Also Glenn:

"They should ally with the eternal losers Iran"

Given the amount of money Azerbaijan have spent on Israeli weapons i'm surprised of your point of view.

Edited July 25, 2025 by TrustMe

[JWB]

21 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Anton wants to fight Russia to the last Azeri. 

Does not matter what he wants.

[Mighty_Zuk]

3 hours ago, TrustMe said:

Given the amount of money Azerbaijan have spent on Israeli weapons i'm surprised of your point of view.

Azerbaijan is an ally of Israel, and Israeli weapons give Azerbaijan qualitative superiority over every regional adversary. 

Why would you be surprised that I support Azerbaijan not shifting to the loser Russia-Iran axis?

Edited July 25, 2025 by Mighty_Zuk

[TrustMe]

32 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Azerbaijan is an ally of Israel, and Israeli weapons give Azerbaijan qualitative superiority over every regional adversary. 

Why would you be surprised that I support Azerbaijan not shifting to the loser Russia-Iran axis?

Sorry, I didn't realise you were being sarcastic.

[glenn239]

10 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Glenn:

"Azeris are idiots"

Also Glenn:

"They should ally with the eternal losers Iran"

I never said the Azeris should ally with Iran.

[glenn239]

10 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Yeah, I'm sure Turkey would totally allow Ukraine-involved Russia and recently buckbroken Iran to hurt the Azeris. I doubt either would even try.

What we've been seeing recently is Russia being run out the Caucasus, except Georgia. For now, hopefully at least.

Russia has been run out of the Caucasuses, has it?  

[JWB]

How much head way can be achieved?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-host-armenia-azerbaijan-leaders-065117401.html

[Roman Alymov]

2 hours ago, JWB said:

How much head way can be achieved?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-host-armenia-azerbaijan-leaders-065117401.html

Armenia have de-facto capitulated, so quite on the way of signing peace with AZ and becoming de-facto province of Turkey.

[JWB]

19 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Armenia have de-facto capitulated ............

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[Roman Alymov]

15 minutes ago, JWB said:

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They gave up historic lands (actually, without big need for that as military disaster was completely of their own making) and are preparing up to gave up more.

[JWB]

7 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

They gave up historic lands (actually, without big need for that as military disaster was completely of their own making) and are preparing up to gave up more.

What land?

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

What land?

Nagorno-Karabakh - Wikipedia

[AttilaA]

7 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Nagorno-Karabakh - Wikipedia

1: That is Azerbaijani territory

2: They didn’t "give up" anything, they were decisively defeated in a 1-month war (that’s how decisive it was).

Edited August 7, 2025 by AttilaA

[Roman Alymov]

4 minutes ago, AttilaA said:

1: That is Azerbaijani territory

Yes it is the territory of Azerbaijan state (as result of Lenin and Stalin era borders drawn across the lands of former Persiam, Ottoman and then Russian Empires, but Armenians weree there long before anybody except may be Persians appeared on the map). Still, Armenia giving up this land is effectively capitulation.

6 minutes ago, AttilaA said:

2: They didn’t "give up" anything, they were decisively defeated in a 1-month war (that’s how decisive it was).

They were decisively defeated in a 1-month war that followed decades of Armenia state. Formerly most educated (in terms of univercity graduates per capita) republic of USSR, that came victorious out of USSR breakout war in early 1990th,  became failed state ruled by pro-Western crook, no surprise Azerbaijan led by prudent Moscow-trained professional diplomat (and son of local KGB boss) took upper hand. Yes i know it is simplification and there were also other factors in play, but even without them Armenia was doomed in this situation.