Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[Stefan Kotsch]

50 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

... words and images you have very limited idea of the meaning of.

We both know that we actually understand very well, Mr. SovInformBureau. 😉

Edited July 2, 2025 by Stefan Kotsch

[Stefan Kotsch]

Lenin instructed the press under his command to launch a campaign of persecution against the All-Russian Committee for Assistance to the Hungry. In August 1921 Lenin wrote a letter to I. V. Stalin instructing the Politburo to dissolve the committee and arrest its leaders. At the same time, Lenin ordered a newspaper campaign to be organized against the members of the committee:

 >>We will give a directive to the newspapers: tomorrow they will begin to ridicule the "Kukishi" in a hundred ways... Do your best to ridicule and poison them at least once a week for two months.<<

Source

Kukishi ->

Conclusion: A lot of old bad habits have been preserved in Russia.

[Roman Alymov]

4 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Lenin instructed the press under his command to launch a campaign of persecution against the All-Russian Committee for Assistance to the Hungry. In August 1921 Lenin wrote a letter to I. V. Stalin instructing the Politburo to dissolve the committee and arrest its leaders. At the same time, Lenin ordered a newspaper campaign to be organized against the members of the committee:

 >>We will give a directive to the newspapers: tomorrow they will begin to ridicule the "Kukishi" in a hundred ways... Do your best to ridicule and poison them at least once a week for two months.<<

Source

Kukishi ->

Conclusion: A lot of old bad habits have been preserved in Russia.

I'm sorry but in what way Lenin's ideas on Hungary is connected to the topic discussed?

    But, since you have mentioned Lenin in this thread, it worth mentioned that this man was instrumental in very creation of the problem of AZ-AM relations (and very existance of this entities)

"Dadash Buniatzade's conversation with Vladimir Ilyich took place during or immediately after the closure of the First Congress of Muslim Communists (have you heard of Christian Communists? But "Muslim Communists" were for some reasons ok - RA),  in Moscow. The Congress worked from the fourth to the fifth and from the eighth to the twelfth of November of 1918.

Buniatzade wrote it down:

"I informed Lenin that there are two trends in our community: the first is that an independent Socialist Soviet Republic should be created after the liberation of Baku and Azerbaijan, and the second is that no republic is needed, and Azerbaijan should be divided into provinces and annexed to the RSFSR.

Ilyich said bluntly about this that the first opinion about the creation of an independent republic is correct, and the second is colonialism and even stupidity." ( from book published in 1977 :: Читать - Оглавление - Книга "Нариманов" - Дубинский-Мухадзе Илья Моисеевич - ЛитЛайф - книги читать онлайн - скачать бесплатно полные книги )

    So all the victims of AZ-AM conflict are, to significant extent, distant result of Lenin's "ethnic policy"

[urbanoid]

7 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

This photo is German prisoners taken during "Bagration" who marched through Moscow on 17 July 1944. Nice to see you remember this events, but it was hardly parade and i doubt there were many (if any) Jews among those ranks. Quite likely, there were Jews among those who were guarding this prisoners and watching the march.

~150k Jews (not necessarily by the religious definition, but by the nazi definition) served in the Wehrmacht and even SS.

[Stefan Kotsch]

11 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

I'm sorry but in what way

You know exactly what I'm aiming for. But you want to let the discussion 'drown' in minor details.

[urbanoid]

10 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

I'm sorry but in what way Lenin's ideas on Hungary is connected to the topic discussed?

    But, since you have mentioned Lenin in this thread, it worth mentioned that this man was instrumental in very creation of the problem of AZ-AM relations (and very existance of this entities)

"Dadash Buniatzade's conversation with Vladimir Ilyich took place during or immediately after the closure of the First Congress of Muslim Communists (have you heard of Christian Communists? But "Muslim Communists" were for some reasons ok - RA),  in Moscow. The Congress worked from the fourth to the fifth and from the eighth to the twelfth of November of 1918.

Buniatzade wrote it down:

"I informed Lenin that there are two trends in our community: the first is that an independent Socialist Soviet Republic should be created after the liberation of Baku and Azerbaijan, and the second is that no republic is needed, and Azerbaijan should be divided into provinces and annexed to the RSFSR.

Ilyich said bluntly about this that the first opinion about the creation of an independent republic is correct, and the second is colonialism and even stupidity." ( from book published in 1977 :: Читать - Оглавление - Книга "Нариманов" - Дубинский-Мухадзе Илья Моисеевич - ЛитЛайф - книги читать онлайн - скачать бесплатно полные книги )

    So all the victims of AZ-AM conflict are, to significant extent, distant result of Lenin's "ethnic policy"

Yeah?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_communists

Some, perhaps most, will say that it's an oxymoron (from both communist and christian perspective), but there are always people who consider consistency to be somewhat overrated. I suppose it might be the same with islam, i.e. you'll find 'rulings' that a muslim can't be a communist and... still find 'muslim communists'. This whole 'liberation theology' cancer also is an attempt to mix communism and christianity.

[Roman Alymov]

2 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

~150k Jews (not necessarily by the religious definition, but by the nazi definition) served in the Wehrmacht and even SS.

As for me, 150K is significant overstatement (for comparison, about 500K ethnic Jews served in Red Army, sized ~12mln in 1944, and their presence was very visible - so no way for 150K in smaller Wehrmacht  to be not visible at all). Well. let's do some math.  Wehrmacht menpower size in 1944 was 7 849 000  (not sure it is with SS included, but let's start with this figure). Let's assume Jews were randomly distibuted (it may not be the case, at least in Red Army Jews as on average more educated group were tending to be in "popular" "high-tech" forces like aviation and tanks, but let's keep things simple). Let's assume all this 150K Jews were alive and serving in 1944. 150K out of 7 849 000 is roughly 1.9%. 

   On  17 July 1944, 57 600 POWs marched through Moscow. 1.9% of them is about 1000 persons. It is up to one's own judgement if it is a lot or a drop in the bucket.

[Roman Alymov]

4 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Yeah?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_communists

Some, perhaps most, will say that it's an oxymoron (from both communist and christian perspective), but there are always people who consider consistency to be somewhat overrated. I suppose it might be the same with islam, i.e. you'll find 'rulings' that a muslim can't be a communist and... still find 'muslim communists'. This whole 'liberation theology' cancer also is an attempt to mix communism and christianity.

In case of Russia/USSR, official Communists were radically anti-religeon (or, better say, anti-Christian, as we see from example above, sonce Islam was more or less tolerated). 

    Of course now in RF we have all kinds of mixes, where "Christian Communists" is not the strangest one, but in realities of USSR it was unthinkable. 

[Roman Alymov]

28 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

You know exactly what I'm aiming for. But you want to let the discussion 'drown' in minor details.

I know you are trying to invent one topic after another to avoid what this thread is dedicated for. Of course it is your right (i am mot going to pretend to moderate you), but, equally, my right is to indicate what are my ideas about it.

[Stefan Kotsch]

3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

my right is to indicate what are my ideas about it.

Yes, freedom of expression is indeed a principle of liberalism. 

[Roman Alymov]

24 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Yes, freedom of expression is indeed a principle of liberalism. 

Only untill liberals came to power :)))

[Stefan Kotsch]

51 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Only untill liberals came to power :)))

But, Putin is not a liberal!

[Roman Alymov]

35 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

But, Putin is not a liberal!

  I do not think Putin personally have any definite political orientations, but "collective Putin" is definitely "liberals" (or, at least, was untill recently, before most "liberal" members of this political/business club left to their real homes in Israel, UK and USA).   Still, it is not exactly the topic for this thread.

Edited July 2, 2025 by Roman Alymov

[Roman Alymov]

"Why is the "case" with Azerbaijan so important? 
Everything is simple. 
It is here and now that the question is being decided whether the Russian state still has the will to continue its existence. 
It sounds strange against the background of the ongoing war, but it's true. 
The Kremlin has managed to "slide away" from the topic of the war on the domestic front - it is going "somewhere out there", sufficient resources are being poured in so that everything can be kept at the same level of intensity without winning or losing, troubles caused by individual UAV raids are stopped by the media, creating the impression that this is 's a minor problem, but here the situation is different - a foreign statedirectly takes control of the territory of the Russian Federation purely on psychological pressure, on show-offs, and presses out the Kremlin's last remaining resource to suppress internal uprisings and rebellions. 
They say that an army can shoot at its own people once, then it will be a foreign people. 
Our Azerbaijani partners put the question differently: "Can the political leadership sacrifice its special services to foreign thugs?" 
If so, the security services are not going anywhere. 
It's just that it will already be someone else's special services. 
In general, ladies and gentlemen, we have an endgame, we will see whether the Russian Federation exists or not in a few weeks." (https://t.me/playcivilization/2304)

[AttilaA]

Aliyev and Pezeshkian conversing in Azerbaijani language in Karabakh.

 

[JWB]

Is Putin setting the stage for invading?

 

[urbanoid]

No, they're busy, they don't have a border (could get there via Georgia, but it's not guaranteed they'd be let through), messing with Azerbaijan would mean messing with Turkey - and currently the Turks would stomp them. 

It's the same playbook of how there was never any Ukraine, never any Kazakhstan etc. 

[seahawk]

After the Ukraine is liberated, Azerbaijan will be next. 

[urbanoid]

Just now, seahawk said:

After the Ukraine is liberated, Azerbaijan will be next. 

*the Azerbaijan

[AttilaA]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

No, they're busy, they don't have a border (could get there via Georgia, but it's not guaranteed they'd be let through), messing with Azerbaijan would mean messing with Turkey - and currently the Turks would stomp them. 

It's the same playbook of how there was never any Ukraine, never any Kazakhstan etc. 

 

Azerbaijan and Russia (Dagestan) do share a 350 km long border.

Edited July 5, 2025 by AttilaA

[urbanoid]

1 minute ago, AttilaA said:

 

A small correction, Azerbaijan and Russia (Dagestan) do share a 350 km long border.

 

 

Right, brainfart on my part.

The rest of the post stands though. 

[AttilaA]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

After the Ukraine

We are in year 3 of the “3-day special military operation”.

Edited July 5, 2025 by AttilaA

[seahawk]

1 hour ago, AttilaA said:

We are in year 3 of the “3-day special military operation”.

And the Ukraine is collapsing... A time of reckoning is about to come for all enemies of Russia. 

[Roman Alymov]

19 hours ago, AttilaA said:

Aliyev and Pezeshkian conversing in Azerbaijani language in Karabakh.

 

How significant is the fifference between Azerbaijani language  and Turkish one? As far as i remember, guys from Azernaijan were quite common among Turkish hotel/tourisy service stuff, as they were both fluent in Russian and able to speak local language, but i do not know how long is the training process). 

[Roman Alymov]

4 hours ago, JWB said:

Is Putin setting the stage for invading?

 

   Invasion for what? We allready have problems with ethnic Azeri organised crime* here in Russia, do we need more of that?

   * Note i am not saying all ethnic Azeris living in Russia are criminals - many of them are hard-working law-obedient citizens of Russia, some are even SVO heroes

""Abrams is my Moby Dick": an Azerbaijani officer returned to his home for a tank
"Abrams is my Moby Dick": an Azerbaijani officer returned to his home for a tank that took his leg off
Donetsk, July 2, 2025, 3:45 p.m. — Regnum News Agency. An Azerbaijani officer returned to his home base after being seriously wounded to find and destroy an American Abrams tank, which caused him to lose his leg. The Abrams tank became a cherished goal for the man and a kind of "Moby Dick", following the example of the hero of the book of the same name. Ruslan, a major and commander of the mortar battery of the 80th Guards Tank Regiment of the Center group of the Russian Armed Forces, told IA Regnum about this.

Ruslan, 33, with the call sign Ural, was the commander of one of the first units to take part in the SVO back in February 2022. The man is a combat officer who went through the ranks of the Russian Armed Forces from an ordinary soldier to a major, commander of the mortar battery of the 80th Guards Tank Regiment of the Center group of the Russian Armed Forces. His unit was one of the first to enter the borders of the Dnipropetrovsk region of Ukraine in early summer 2025. The man has Kleshcheyevka, Bakhmut, Avdiivka and other important milestones passed by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation over the years.

Ruslan was born and raised in a small town in the Urals, in an Azerbaijani family that moved and settled in Russia many years ago. The man knows and honors his Azerbaijani roots, respects the homeland of his ancestors, but considers Russia his native country. Ruslan chose the Ural call sign as a tribute to his small homeland.

The man decided to link his life with the Russian army after he first went to Donbass as a volunteer in 2015, where he guarded the border and helped local residents. Ruslan saw firsthand all the horrors and crimes of the Kiev regime against the civilian population of the DPR and LPR.

"Initially, I thought of joining the police or the Rosgvardiya, after school I even graduated from the Saratov Law Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. Then he served in the army. After the military service, I decided to try military service, signed a contract with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. When I got into the army environment, I was imbued with this sincerity, fighting brotherhood, cohesion, and teamwork. I was bribed by this attitude towards me as a brother, both from my colleagues and from the officers. As they say, "Hello, that's the answer." Then I realized that I wanted to connect my life with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and serve in the Russian army, to apply my skills here, for the benefit of our Motherland. And I didn't regret it at all! I have never felt like a stranger here, I have always been treated like a brother," Ruslan told Regnum news agency.

The man proved himself well, the command noted the successes of the young soldier and promoted him. Ruslan soon became the commander of a mortar platoon. Prior to the start of his military service, the commander participated in army competitions with his unit, Ruslan won the title of champion of Russia in the discipline "Master of Artillery Fire".

In February 2022, Ruslan's unit was preparing equipment to compete in international artillery fire competitions when the command announced that the competition was canceled and units of the 80th Tank Regiment were moving to the border with Ukraine.

"When they announced the start of the SVR, none of my guys flinched. It was scary, of course, as they say: only a fool is not afraid of anything. But we devoted our whole lives to the army, and we had no doubts, we did not flinch and knew that we would carry out the order and stand up for the defense of our Homeland! Russia is my homeland! Russian is my native language! Azerbaijan is the homeland of my parents, and I also respect and honor it. But my native country is Russia, and I love my country, and I will always defend it. My parents also support me in everything, respect the fact that I am a military man and participate in my military. In February 2022, already in the field, I once again felt this family attitude towards me from my colleagues, saw the combat coordination of units, this cohesion and support, the attitude of soldiers and officers towards each other as if they were brothers. It was very supportive and raised morale! Then our unit entered the territory of the DPR in the first echelons and engaged in battle with the Ukrainian Armed Forces," Ruslan said about the beginning of his military operation.

Over the years, Ruslan's unit has gone through many important special operation points: they took part in the battles near Bakhmut, fought for Kleshcheyevka, and liberated Avdiivka in the spring of 2024. Ruslan himself rose to the rank of major and became the commander of an entire mortar battery of the 80th Guards Tank Regiment of the Center group of the Russian Armed Forces.

In one of the battles, a man had to violate the procedure established by the charter and open fire without an order to save the crew of a stalled tank.

"When we were fighting for Kleshcheyevka, Igor, the world champion in tank biathlon, arrived at our position with the call sign Vimpel. He was a tank commander at the time, and together with the crew, he brought the combat vehicle into position and was about to hit the APU with direct fire, when suddenly the equipment malfunctioned. The tank stalled and became an easy target for the enemy. The horsemen were already shooting, and the guys were in grave danger. I watched what was happening from the "bird" and realized that it was rubbish. It took only a few seconds to decide. Then, without waiting for an order, I ordered a smoke screen to cover the positions to hide the tank from the enemy. My guys shot back with smoke bombs, "hid" the tank and gained time. They were able to start the tank, and they returned to their safe positions unharmed. The command appreciated this initiative at the time, and praised us for our good combat coordination. The main thing for me was to save our guys. Now Pennant is already the commander of the regiment, we still communicate warmly, maintain friendship," Ruslan said.

During his years of service on the fronts of his military, Ruslan received many state awards for his skills, bravery and heroism, including the Order of Courage for the capture of Kleshcheyevka, the Medal for Bravery for the British Bradley, the Suvorov Medal, the Zhukov Medal, and the Medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland.

In May 2024, Ruslan's unit performed a combat mission in the Ocheretino area of the DPR. The man personally supervised the work of the mortar and was with the soldiers at the front lines. At some point, Ruslan saw an American Abrams tank in an observation device and decided to destroy foreign equipment at all costs.

"We had just destroyed another British Bradley that day," they reported to their superiors. I rode the bird up to inspect the area and suddenly noticed the Abrams tank, the first time I encountered it on the battlefield. And then I got this feeling of excitement — I realized that I wanted to destroy him or at least knock him out. I talked to the command, got the go-ahead, and went ahead on foot to reconnoiter in order to choose the best firing position. That was the first time I saw the Abrams with my own eyes, it was crossing a nearby field literally two thousand meters away from me. The desire to compete with him has become even stronger! Having determined the best firing position, I began to return to my combat calculation to show the guys where to place the mortar. Enemy "birds" were circling overhead, I was watching the sky and missed a mine on the ground. I stepped on a petal. My first thought was, "Damn! Not that now! Abrams will leave." I was very upset then," Ruslan said.

Ruslan's foot was blown off by the explosion. The man gave himself first aid, applied a tourniquet and radioed for an evacuation group. The comrades-in-arms quickly removed the wounded officer from the front line. Ruslan ended up in one of the military hospitals in Moscow. Doctors were unable to save his leg, and his foot had to be amputated. The officer spent several months in the hospital, but after recovering and receiving a prosthesis, in September 2024 he returned back to his unit in the military training area.

"Why did I come back? Well, my Abrams was never destroyed! It's because of him that I came back to find and finish him off. He became to me like "Moby Dick" to Captain Ahab from that children's book. I realized that I seemed to have some unfinished business here. And of course, I came back because of my guys, how can I leave them? My experience and skills will come in handy later. We must defeat the enemy and end the special operation with an unconditional victory for Russia," Ruslan said.

According to the man, the management has long been offering him to go for a promotion and take up one of the staff positions with the rank of lieutenant colonel, but away from the war zone. However, Ruslan refuses so far, explaining that his combat experience is now more important than ever and is needed on the front line."

«Абрамс — мой Моби Дик»: азербайджанский офицер вернулся на СВО за танком

   Yes i know Bradley is not British and "Moby Dick" is not exactly "children's book" but it is in original text.