Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[JWB]

On 22 March 1990, Azerbaijani farmers shot at passing trucks and cars with Armenian license plates, wounding several people ............

 

More Moscow meddling?

Edited March 25, 2024 by JWB

[Roman Alymov]

6 hours ago, JWB said:

On 22 March 1990, Azerbaijani farmers shot at passing trucks and cars with Armenian license plates, wounding several people ............

 

More Moscow meddling?

This conflict was allready on when Moscow was just river in the middle of wild forests. No need for Moscow meddling to Armenians kill Turks and Turks kill Armenians (still, when in one Empire, be it Ottoman Empire or Russian Empire, they coexisted more or less peacefully and even productively  - for example, Armenian regiments of Ottoman Army performed exceptionally well (before slaughtered in 1915 - by the way, role of Kurds in this genocide is mostly forgotten....)

[JWB]

Your post contradicts itself...

2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

This conflict was allready on when Moscow was just river in the middle of wild forests.

If so ....

2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Russian Empire, they coexisted more or less peacefully and even productively ..........

As I have posted before, strife was started when Moscow hired Armenian gangsters to take over Baku so that Kremlin masters could steal oil from Baku and let Armenians take the blame for all of it.

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

Your post contradicts itself...

No contradiction at all: peaceful coexistence was possible, when both sides were under just two ethnic groups of the same Empire, that would not allow villagers of AZ village to collectively attack AM village nearby and vice versa, as both sides are taxpayers and bloodshed leads to drop of income. When left alone without supervising authority - they were enthusiastically killing each other in Tutsi-Hutu style.

1 hour ago, JWB said:

As I have posted before, strife was started when Moscow hired Armenian gangsters to take over Baku so that Kremlin masters could steal oil from Baku and let Armenians take the blame for all of it.

Take over Baku from whom?

[bojan]

13 hours ago, JWB said:

...As I have posted before, strife was started when Moscow hired Armenian gangsters to take over Baku so that Kremlin masters could steal oil from Baku and let Armenians take the blame for all of it.

So much fucking ignorance.

[JWB]

14 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Take over Baku from whom?

The anti Bolshevist government.

[Roman Alymov]

On 3/26/2024 at 7:58 PM, JWB said:

The anti Bolshevist government.

Which one? The story was far more complex, read about "26 Baku Comissars" and their cooperation with Armenian nationalists (as Baku was to great extent Armenian city as ethnic Armenians were to some sort local dominant merciant group - and, as far as i know, Armenians are still playing the same role in modern Iran. 

[JWB]

19 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Which one? The story was far more complex, read about "26 Baku Comissars" and their cooperation with Armenian nationalists (as Baku was to great extent Armenian city as ethnic Armenians were to some sort local dominant merciant group - and, as far as i know, Armenians are still playing the same role in modern Iran. 

Lenin had to liquidate the elected government(s) because open democracy is cannot exist within bolshevism.

[AttilaA]

Leaders of major Turkish defence industry companies visited Azerbaijan. 

Agreements were signed on establishing new defence industry plants and transfer of technology.

https://www.trhaber.com/savunma/bakuye-savunma-cikarmasi-yeni-tesisler-kurulacak-teknoloji-transferi-yapilacak-h825931.html

Azerbaijan plans to invest at least 1 billion manat ($588 million) in local defence industry in 2024 alone.

[AttilaA]

One of the companies is Repkon, with which an agreement was signed, most likely for production of artillery munitions. 

This same company is in process of establishing 155mm artillery munition production lines in Texas, which will account for 30% of all production in USA.

While Azerbaijan has traditionally been a user of Soviet/Russian 152mm caliber artillery systems, it has signed a contract with Serbia for Nora B52 155mm artillery system.

Edited April 3, 2024 by AttilaA

[Perun]

Armenia deepens military ties with Western allies

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/04/12/armenia-deepens-military-ties-with-western-allies/

[AttilaA]

Russian peacekeepers are leaving Karabakh. News confirmed by both Azerbaijani and Russian governments.

https://en.apa.az/foreign-policy/top-leadership-of-both-countries-adopted-a-decision-to-withdraw-russian-peacekeepers-from-the-territory-of-azerbaijan-ahead-of-schedule-assistant-to-president-434189
 

https://tass.ru/politika/20570981

[Perun]

Russia announces total withdrawal of troops from Nagorno-Karabakh

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-withdrawal-troops-nagorno-karabakh-azerbaijan-armenia/

[AttilaA]

“Russia will turn Karabakh into another Abkhazia” 

“Russian troops will never leave. They have never left anywhere they have entered”

And other such “takes”. 

 

Edited April 18, 2024 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

 

Edited April 18, 2024 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Joint Turkish-Russian monitoring center also closing, Turkish MOD said in a statement. 

https://en.apa.az/military/joint-russian-turkish-monitoring-centre-to-be-closed-434281

 

Edited April 19, 2024 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Reaction of Armenians in 2021 to Aliyev’s statement about the temporary nature of Russian PK deployment (“Russia will turn Karabakh into another Abkhazia” etc while Azerbaijan called their deployment “temporarily stationed” from day one).

 

Edited April 18, 2024 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

I should add that this is not just about internet groups, but also real world politicans. 

Karabakh’s Armenian leaders really believed an Abkhazia-Ossetia scenario, that Russia would “protect” their sepratism dreams, to the detriment of Azerbaijani-Russian relations.

It was with such beliefs that they twice rejected Azerbaijan’s offers on direct talks.

It was with such belief that billionare Ruben Vardanyan moved to Karabakh from Moscow, declaring himself so-called “state minister of artsakh”. Now he is in Azerbaijani prison, which he obviously didn’t foresee.

Edited April 19, 2024 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Pashinyan in 2022:

“Pashinyan ready to extend Russian peacekeepers’ mandate in Karabakh for 20 years”

"We want the Russian peacekeepers to continue their mission. I'm prepared to put my signature on a document in Sochi extending the peacekeepers' mandate for 10, 15, or 20 years. I suggest that the Russian President come up with this initiative. I can make the proposal, but Russia needs to support it," Pashinyan said.

He also noted that he cannot resolve the issue of extending the mandate on his own, since this is a tripartite document. "If Armenia and Russia come to an agreement on this issue, they become the majority," Pashinyan said.”

https://tass.com/world/1529525/amp

The last sentence is of course nonsense. According to the ceasefire statement, any side (not both, and not up to Russia) could choose to not extend the deployment of PKs after 5 years. Everything is on Azerbaijan’s territory anyway, and only up to Azerbaijan itself to decide.

Seeing Pashinyan’s statements, behaviour from past and then seeing some people writing that Pashinyan apparently “sold out artsakh” is truly laughable. The guy that said he wanted Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh forever and de-facto freeze the situation “sold out”? Maybe it’s not about selling out or endless conspiracy theories, but the inability on “your” part to correctly assess things that are in fact obvious? 

 

Edited April 18, 2024 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Charlatan.

 

Edited April 18, 2024 by AttilaA

[glenn239]

2 hours ago, AttilaA said:

. The guy that said he wanted Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh forever and de-facto freeze the situation “sold out”? Maybe it’s not about selling out or endless conspiracy theories, but the inability on “your” part to correctly assess things that are in fact obvious? 

Ok but what's the actual meaning behind the Russian pullout?   Why did they leave, and what happens now?

[AttilaA]

12 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Ok but what's the actual meaning behind the Russian pullout?   Why did they leave, and what happens now?

Because there is no need for their presence after 19 september operation.  The mandate of Rus PKs was only until 2025 anyway, but the new realities on the ground resulted in this decision between Azerbaijan and Russia. 

What happens now? Nothing. Azerbaijani army is the sole presence in Azerbaijani territories. Karabakh Armenians can return upon accepting Azerbaijani citizenship, which they are not willing to do. 

"Our people do not want to live as part of Azerbaijan. Ninety-nine point nine percent prefer to leave our historic lands," David Babayan, an adviser to Samvel Shahramanyan, the president of the self-styled Republic of Artsakh, told Reuters.”

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/09/24/ethnic-armenians-will-leave-nagorno-karabakh-adviser-to-their-leader-.html

 

[AttilaA]

Another “analyst”:

“Russia has now military bases in all three countries of Caucasus” (referring to Russian PK contingent in Karabakh as a military base).

https://t.me/MaidenTower/47629

Anyway, I will stop now, as there would be no end to it. 

[Roman Alymov]

On 4/18/2024 at 5:24 PM, AttilaA said:

It was with such belief that billionare Ruben Vardanyan moved to Karabakh from Moscow, declaring himself so-called “state minister of artsakh”. Now he is in Azerbaijani prison, which he obviously didn’t foresee.

  What a pity he was the only billionare who have moved away from Moscow to Karabakh to get into prizon later.  Surely i would prefer them to go into Russian jail somewhere in "sunny Magadan", but Azeri prison also works).

[Roman Alymov]

On 4/18/2024 at 5:38 PM, AttilaA said:

Seeing Pashinyan’s statements, behaviour from past and then seeing some people writing that Pashinyan apparently “sold out artsakh” is truly laughable. The guy that said he wanted Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh forever and de-facto freeze the situation “sold out”? Maybe it’s not about selling out or endless conspiracy theories, but the inability on “your” part to correctly assess things that are in fact obvious? 

   Pashinyan is de-facto anti-Russian politician (and hardline pro-Western). No need for conspiracy theories here, fall of Artsakh is de-facto result of the policy of pro-Western liberals in Armenian Gov (but, to be frank, decades of rule of "Artsakh clan" before them were also not exactly productive). Armenia is now effectively failed state, pale shade of what emerged from Soviet Armenia in early 1990th, and that outcome was a question of time. Yes they were expecting that West's word (and Armenian diaspora in Western countries influence) would be enough to protect them, but West is also not in best shape to do it now.