Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[AttilaA]

7 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Actually it seems like current Armenian leadership (pro-Western NGO gang) is getting rid of their political opponents from "Karabakh clan" by handing them out to AZ, knowing for sure it will be one way trip for them and when they are gone to prizons or coffins, there will be nobody to ask awkward questions on how it happened Karabakh was surrendered to "Turks". 

Handing them out? It’s not like they could have escaped. 

Vardanyan for example was detained at Azerbaijani checkpoint in Lachin. 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by AttilaA

[Roman Alymov]

16 hours ago, AttilaA said:

Handing them out? It’s not like they could have escaped. 

Vardanyan for example was detained at Azerbaijani checkpoint in Lachin. 

 

As far as i remember there were many flights by Rus helicopters taht were evacuating badly burned Armenians to mainland Armenia after fuel tanl blast, while bringing in medical staff and equipment from Erevan - and it was not so difficult for AM side to organise few seats for high-ranking politicians of NK. But it was not done for some reason....

[BAMF]

On 10/1/2023 at 10:15 AM, Roman Alymov said:

You mean this nation? Are you sure they want to be protected?

Now they could go back to Turkish empire....

Russia couldn’t protect them anyway. It is getting its collective ass kicked, at the moment. I miss the Soviets. Their empire has fallen so far. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by BAMF

[sunday]

Today I learnt of the story of Lt. Safarov

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“My vocation is to kill all Armenians.” Story of Lieutenant Safarov
Do you know why the inhabitants of Artsakh do not trust Azerbaijan's assurances? Here is an instructive story that happened a few years ago

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Not far away in January 2004, 26-year-old Lieutenant Ramil Safarov, born in an Azerbaijani district occupied by Armenians during the war of the 1990s, trained at the Turkish Military Academy in Ankara, was sent to Budapest together with a companion for a language learning course English within the Partnership for Peace program promoted by NATO to create a climate of détente and collaboration between the Atlantic Alliance and countries not belonging to the organization, in particular the post-Soviet states.

Two officers of the Armenian armed forces, lieutenants Guergen Margaryan and Hayk Makuchyan, are also enrolled in the course. At 5 in the morning on February 19th Safarov entered the room where Margaryan was staying armed with a large ax that he had bought on the evening of February 18th in a Tesco supermarket in Budapest and which he had sharpened in the room where he slept alone, because his partner stationed Ukrainian had returned to his homeland for a funeral. With it he lands sixteen blows on the face of the defenseless Margaryan, asleep in his bed, disfiguring him and almost detaching his head from his body.

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At the trial the judges rejected the theory of mental infirmity and also the mitigating factor of provocation, invented from scratch by the Azerbaijani regime media to pass off Safarov as a hero who avenged the tarnished honor of Azerbaijan: the two Armenian officers they would have used an Armenian flag to clean their shoes and would have urinated on it, they would have released an audio cassette with the laments of Azerbaijani women who have lost their men. In reality, Armenians and Azerbaijanis had no contact during the internship, there had been no conflict between them because there had never been a relationship. The judges sentence Safarov to life imprisonment for the murder of Margaryan and the attempted murder of Makuchyan, a sentence that the Azerbaijani officer begins to serve in a Hungarian military prison.

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«Heroes like Ramil Safarov»
In 2012, Azerbaijan requested, on the basis of the 1983 Strasbourg Convention, the extradition of Safarov to complete the sentence he was sentenced to (according to the sentence he cannot ask for semi-liberty before having served 30 years in prison) in the country of origin. Budapest approves the request, and Safarov flies to Baku. As soon as he came down the steps of the plane, President Aliyev announced that he had granted him a pardon. The Ministry of Defense orders eight years of back wages to be paid into his bank account, provides him with an apartment and announces his promotion to the rank of major. (...)

Some recent bad blood there, and a blemish on Orban's record.

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramil_Safarov

[AttilaA]

Let’s gloss over the fact that Armenians commited the single biggest massacre of civilians in Karabakh conflict (massacre of 600+ innhabitans in Khojaly), displaced hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis from NKAO + 7 districts, razed to ground occupied Azerbaijani settlements and jump straight to Ramil Safarov for…”why the inhabitants of Artsakh do not trust Azerbaijan's assurances”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian-occupied_territories_surrounding_Nagorno-Karabakh

PS: Safarov was not “promoted” after his release, he never served in Azerbaijani army again. 

[AttilaA]

As for Karabakh Armenians supposedly “not trusting Azerbaijan’s assurances”, it’s less about that and more about their hate of “Turks” (Azerbaijanis). They can’t ever imagine themselves of accepting Azerbaijani jurisdiction, as they are (supposedly) “a superior race and people”. So they made their choice, rather than accepting Azerbaijani jurisdiction, they left.

This 2016 music video filmed in Karabakh boasts about how “World was shattered by the Armenian fear, Turk’s throne fell to the ground”.

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by AttilaA

[sunday]

4 hours ago, AttilaA said:

PS: Safarov was not “promoted” after his release, he never served in Azerbaijani army again. 

Could you prove that? According to wikipedia he is not a Lieutenant Colonel in the Az army.

Also: https://mirrorspectator.com/2017/12/14/azeri-murderer-ramil-safarov-promoted-higher-military-rank/

[AttilaA]

I have not come across any official source about his supposed promotion. He did not serve in Azerbaijani army after his return. Neither is he a “hero”, which is a title granted by the state.

There is only the president’s decree about pardoning him:

https://president.az/az/articles/view/5596

[sunday]

Of course, pictures of him in uniform are fakes, are not they?

[Roman Alymov]

6 hours ago, AttilaA said:

As for Karabakh Armenians supposedly “not trusting Azerbaijan’s assurances”, it’s less about that and more about their hate of “Turks” (Azerbaijanis). They can’t ever imagine themselves of accepting Azerbaijani jurisdiction, as they are (supposedly) “a superior race and people”. So they made their choice, rather than accepting Azerbaijani jurisdiction, they left.

This 2016 music video filmed in Karabakh boasts about how “World was shattered by the Armenian fear, Turk’s throne fell to the ground”.

 

 

I'm affraid it is combination of both factors  - fear (not surprising, taking into account AM history) and extreme nationalism/superiority complex (also not surprising, taking into consideration Armenians were ancient civilization allready by the time both Slaves and Turks were just bunch of nomad tribes). This extreme nationalism was manifested, by the way, by IED explosions in Moscow subway by Armenian nationalists back in 1970th. Note Armenia is de-facto monoethnic, while sighnificant part of AZ population is other ethnic groups, including pre-Turk local Iranian-speakers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talysh_people )

[JWB]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom

[Roman Alymov]

6 hours ago, JWB said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom

Actually all this was predicted by astute observers back in 1930th

Ambassador of Latvia to the USSR R. Liepins on Soviet national policy:

"Proclaiming the self-determination of peoples and nationalism, although within the conventional framework, the Bolsheviks are still playing with fire. It may eventually happen that centrifugal forces will prevail over centripetal ones and at the moment of some great external shock, with the collapse of the dictatorship of the party, the USSR will disappear. There is already a tendency that individual republics and autonomous regions are gradually surviving the commissars sent by Moscow, replacing them with their own people. This is especially felt in the republics of Transcaucasia, where there are almost no Russians in the leading administrative positions anymore."

It was written in 1936.

( https://t.me/historiographe/9703 )

Worth noting that not only Russians, but all non-locals pushed out. Russians were just the first to be pushed out, as they were unable to say a word in own defence-unlike peopple from other ethnioc backgrounds, see story from another side of USSR

 

[AttilaA]

On 10/26/2023 at 5:21 PM, JWB said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom

Preceding this was the persecution and expulsion of Azerbaijanis in Kapan (Armenia) in 1987-88, somehow overlooked for some reason.

Edited November 19, 2023 by AttilaA

[Roman Alymov]

AZ side preparing for triumph parade in deserted Khankendi (was known as Stepanakert once) https://t.me/milinfolive/110136

[Roman Alymov]

Private Akberov Babek Eldar oglu (Акберов Бабек Эльдар оглы) from Petrozavodsk (Northern Russia), ethnic Talysh ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talysh_people ), KIA fighting pro-Ukrainians and will be burried in his native village in AZ

[AttilaA]

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Azerbaijan has decided to purchase additional Israeli-made Barak MX air defence systems from Israel in a USD 1.2 billion deal.

https://defence-industry.eu/azerbaijan-to-buy-barak-mx-air-defence-system-from-israel/

[AttilaA]

Azerbaijan MOD published footage of test fire of 9M318 air defence missile. 

Developed by Belarus for Buk-MB. 

Active radar seeker + 70 km max range.

For comparison, Russian made 9M317 missile (from Buk-M2) on Azerbaijani Buk-MB. The fins on 9M318 are located much lower. 

Edited November 19, 2023 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Command post of Buk-MB.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by AttilaA

[Roman Alymov]

On 11/11/2023 at 12:01 AM, AttilaA said:

Azerbaijan has decided to purchase additional Israeli-made Barak MX air defence systems from Israel in a USD 1.2 billion deal.

https://defence-industry.eu/azerbaijan-to-buy-barak-mx-air-defence-system-from-israel/

By the way what are the moods in AZ re recent events in Israel? As far as i remember, there is a strong parthnership between Azerbaijan and Israel in military affairs (including rumors of Israel rentinng old soviet AB in AZ as alternative place of landing of airplanes after potential attack on Iran).....

[AttilaA]

Seems like Azerbaijan and Serbia have signed a contract for 48 Nora B52 howitzers. @bojan

[AttilaA]

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Edited November 26, 2023 by AttilaA

[Roman Alymov]

5 hours ago, AttilaA said:

If you mean the population, hard to say. 

If you mean the state, Azerbaijan have always stood for 2 state solution and Azerbaijan also recognizes Palestinian state. Otherwise Azerbaijan stays out of it.

Ok, thank you

5 hours ago, AttilaA said:

Those “rumors” are nonsense. 

Well,  at least some people in US do not think so

"MARCH 28, 2012, 9:02 PM
In 2009, the deputy chief of mission of the U.S. embassy in Baku, Donald Lu, sent a cable to the State Department’s headquarters in Foggy Bottom titled “Azerbaijan’s discreet symbiosis with Israel.” The memo, later released by WikiLeaks, quotes Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev as describing his country’s relationship with the Jewish state as an iceberg: “nine-tenths of it is below the surface.”

Why does it matter? Because Azerbaijan is strategically located on Iran’s northern border and, according to several high-level sources I’ve spoken with inside the U.S. government, Obama administration officials now believe that the “submerged” aspect of the Israeli-Azerbaijani alliance — the security cooperation between the two countries — is heightening the risks of an Israeli strike on Iran.

In particular, four senior diplomats and military intelligence officers say that the United States has concluded that Israel has recently been granted access to airbases on Iran’s northern border. To do what, exactly, is not clear. “The Israelis have bought an airfield,” a senior administration official told me in early February, “and the airfield is called Azerbaijan.”

Senior U.S. intelligence officials are increasingly concerned that Israel’s military expansion into Azerbaijan complicates U.S. efforts to dampen Israeli-Iranian tensions, according to the sources. Military planners, I was told, must now plan not only for a war scenario that includes the Persian Gulf — but one that could include the Caucasus. The burgeoning Israel-Azerbaijan relationship has also become a flashpoint in both countries’ relationship with Turkey, a regional heavyweight that fears the economic and political fallout of a war with Iran. Turkey’s most senior government officials have raised their concerns with their U.S. counterparts, as well as with the Azeris, the sources said.

The Israeli embassy in Washington, the Israel Defense Forces, and the Mossad, Israel’s national intelligence agency, were all contacted for comment on this story but did not respond.

The Azeri embassy to the United States also did not respond to requests for information regarding Azerbaijan’s security agreements with Israel. During a recent visit to Tehran, however, Azerbaijan’s defense minister publicly ruled out the use of Azerbaijan for a strike on Iran. “The Republic of Azerbaijan, like always in the past, will never permit any country to take advantage of its land, or air, against the Islamic Republic of Iran, which we consider our brother and friend country,” he said. (Following the publication of this article, an Azeri spokesman denied that his government had granted Israel access to Azeri airbases.)

But even if his government makes good on that promise, it could still provide Israel with essential support. A U.S. military intelligence officer noted that Azeri defense minister did not explicitly bar Israeli bombers from landing in the country after a strike. Nor did he rule out the basing of Israeli search-and-rescue units in the country. Proffering such landing rights — and mounting search and rescue operations closer to Iran — would make an Israeli attack on Iran easier." (from https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/03/28/israels-secret-staging-ground/ )

[AttilaA]

Yes I remember that. It’s still nonsense. 

“A U.S. military intelligence officer noted that Azeri defense minister did not explicitly bar Israeli bombers from landing in the country after a strike.”

Why would Azerbaijan turn itself into a target like that?  

Edited November 24, 2023 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

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Edited November 26, 2023 by AttilaA