Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[BansheeOne]

For all the seriousness, I'll laugh my ass off if the Azeri actions heavily supported by Turkish and Israeli deliveries trigger an Iranian reaction supported by both Russia and the US.

[Yama]

EU will issue a moderately strongly worded statement, and that will be it. Azerbaijan is way too important for EU. Same goes for Russia. Iran might do something concrete, though they are too wrapped up in their internal problems to actively support Armenia.

[Perun]

If Azerbaijan take Nagorno Karabakh in few days no one would do anything

[Roman Alymov]

21 minutes ago, Perun said:

If Azerbaijan take Nagorno Karabakh in few days no one would do anything

And, first and foremost, Armenia itself. To some extent, NK to Armenia is what Donbass was for Russia in 2015-2021 - territory elite could not publicly abandom (as public opinion wnot forgive it) but also is unwilling to do something for (as it will ruin their personal relations with hegemonic powers)

it was predicted

 

[JWB]

 

[glenn239]

5 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

For all the seriousness, I'll laugh my ass off if the Azeri actions heavily supported by Turkish and Israeli deliveries trigger an Iranian reaction supported by both Russia and the US.

Saw a report last week suggesting that the Armenians basically slit their own throats with the Russians by approaching the Americans for help. 

[Perun]

Yes, they did just that. I bet that Armenians will blame Russia for NK loss

[Roman Alymov]

34 minutes ago, Perun said:

Yes, they did just that. I bet that Armenians will blame Russia for NK loss

Not "Armenians" but pro-Western liberals headed by PM Pashinyan, and regular Armenians of NK will be those paying the price for his EU/NATO ambitions.

 

[JWB]

6 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

Not "Armenians" but pro-Western liberals headed by PM Pashinyan, and regular Armenians of NK will be those paying the price for his EU/NATO ambitions.

 

Too long, didn't watch. 

Not all of it anyway. The two speakers take 3 minutes to explain something that should take only 1. The English guy is a con man: https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/07/barrister-who-was-disbarred-after-forging-lady-hale-letter-sued-for-200000-by-ex-client/

[Roman Alymov]

5 hours ago, JWB said:

Too long, didn't watch. 

Not all of it anyway. The two speakers take 3 minutes to explain something that should take only 1. The English guy is a con man: https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/07/barrister-who-was-disbarred-after-forging-lady-hale-letter-sued-for-200000-by-ex-client/

What English guy? They are both Greeks.

[Roman Alymov]

Game over

"Official statement of the press service of the President of the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh:

— With the mediation of the command of the Russian peacekeeping contingent stationed in Nagorno-Karabakh, an agreement was reached on the complete cessation of hostilities from 13:00 on September 20, 2023;

— An agreement has been reached on the withdrawal of the remaining units and servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Armenia from the deployment zone of the Russian peacekeeping contingent and the disbandment and complete disarmament of the armed formations of the “Defense Army of Nagorno-Karabakh” and the withdrawal of heavy equipment and weapons from the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh in order to dispose of them as soon as possible;

— The issues raised by the Azerbaijani side on the reintegration, ensuring the rights and security of the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh, as well as issues of ensuring the vital activity of the population of Nagorno-Karabakh within the framework of the Constitution of Azerbaijan, according to the agreement reached, will be discussed at a meeting between representatives of the local Armenian population and representatives of the central authorities of the Republic of Azerbaijan, which will be held in the city of Yevlakh on September 21, 2023 and during subsequent meetings."

[Mike1158]

Odd that in the case of NK, Russia is against the seccession of a region and yet is all for it in Ukraine.

 

Bi, very bi.

[mandeb48]

On 5/12/2023 at 4:36 PM, mandeb48 said:

It seems that the Republic of Nagorno Karabakh is living its last days.....

It was 141 days. I hope the process will be less bloody than the previous ones.

[JWB]

8 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

What English guy? They are both Greeks.

The guy to the right. 

[BansheeOne]

Azerbaijan takes Artsakh with special military operation inside 24 hours, Russia green with envy.

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

Azerbaijan takes Artsakh with special military operation inside 24 hours, Russia green with envy.

May be alternative Russia that Western media are writing about, but not real Russia.

Here is the take from real Russia, where people still got memory longer than 24h news cycle:

"2 years ago I wrote that the Armenian affairs - the war and the elections - interest me primarily in the comparative aspect (https://t.me/vasilievodessa/1491 ). I will continue this line adjusted for new realities.

The Karabakh blitzkrieg of Azerbaijan in 2020, the endgame of which we are witnessing right now, is a very important prerequisite in our sad history.

Those events somehow immediately began to be called the "Second Karabakh War", although in fact it was not a war, but ... a classic one. Small and victorious.

And back then, looking at this war, all the neighbors who have similar territorial problems thought: is it possible?

In Kiev, it was at this moment that children began to be called Bayraktars instead of Javelins. And the "Croatian scenario", which was previously discussed there mainly by all sorts of strange people like Podolyak, suddenly acquired a concrete dimension.

Moscow, of course, had its own successful case against this background – now forgotten by everyone. The operation to save Kazakhstan, by the way, took place under the leadership of Pashinyan.

Again, it is clear to everyone that such an SVO has a key condition.

Non-interference of third countries.

And let's be honest, non-interference, if not 100% guaranteed, must be still of the highest degree of probability.

What can guarantee Russia's non-interference in the Donbas? Such conditions can theoretically be imagined in the context of the notorious transit <of power> in 2024.

What can guarantee non-interference of the West in Ukraine? Biden's public words about a "small invasion"? Something non-public?

Someday historians of the future will find the answer to what went wrong. Violation of Western guarantees? The slip of our military machine? All together? Something else? And maybe they won't." ( https://t.me/juchkovsky/4029 )

[Yama]

17 hours ago, Mike1158 said:

Odd that in the case of NK, Russia is against the seccession of a region and yet is all for it in Ukraine.

Well that case is completely different!

[Yama]

10 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Azerbaijan takes Artsakh with special military operation inside 24 hours, Russia green with envy.

Previous war was relatively more bloody than Rus-Ukr war, though.

[glenn239]

19 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Azerbaijan takes Artsakh with special military operation inside 24 hours, Russia green with envy.

You see, this is why the Global South doesn't believe a word the G7 says.  We lecture the world after the Russian invasion of Ukraine about rule of law, the international order, the illegality of the use of force.  Then, the Azeris break every rule in the book with an illegal attack on Armenia, and G7 couldn't care less.  The G7 forgets its own principles.   

Assuming they actually ever had any, of course.

[AttilaA]

22 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

You see, this is why the Global South doesn't believe a word the G7 says.  We lecture the world after the Russian invasion of Ukraine about rule of law, the international order, the illegality of the use of force.  Then, the Azeris break every rule in the book with an illegal attack on Armenia, and G7 couldn't care less.  The G7 forgets its own principles.   

Assuming they actually ever had any, of course.

There was no attack on Armenia. Karabakh is a territory of Azerbaijan.

[AttilaA]

Italian media reports that Azerbaijan and Italy are negotiating a large arms contract worth up to 2 billion euros.

https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2023/09/21/news/azerbaijan_nagorno_karabakh_governo_meloni_crosetto_dilemma_vendita_armi-415254478/?ref=RHLF-BG-I415255316-P4-S1-T1

 

[sunday]

2 minutes ago, AttilaA said:

There was no attack on Armenia. Karabakh is a territory of Azerbaijan.

Gibraltar is Spanish, too.

[AttilaA]

2 minutes ago, sunday said:

Gibraltar is Spanish, too.

I have a bad news for you. Armenia itself recognized Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan.

https://asbarez.com/armenia-azerbaijan-confirm-commitment-to-each-others-territorial-integrity-eu-says/

 

[JWB]

Representatives from Nagorno-Karabakh and the Azerbaijan government held a first-round of talks Thursday on the future of the breakaway region that Azerbaijan now says it fully controls following a military offensive this week.

https://apnews.com/article/azerbaijan-armenia-explosions-nagorno-karabakh-russia-2964483a95121dfdccd0e6e4d220fb12?taid=650c20fd2c633f0001b899e1&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

[AttilaA]

https://t.me/military_az/34889

Edited September 21, 2023 by AttilaA