Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[JWB]

21 hours ago, bojan said:

That conflict is older than USA statehood.

I am talking about current internal troubles of both countries.

[bojan]

They are just a continuation of that, never resolved conflict.

[Daan]

Azeri troops executing Armenian POWs during their incursions into Armenia:

 

[Yama]

There was also earlier video of Azeri soldiers defiling the corpse of female Armenian soldier.

I wonder if this gets any coverage, or if it does, will there be any official reaction? I doubt it, it would be too 'inconvenient' at the moment.

[AttilaA]

21 minutes ago, Yama said:

There was also earlier video of Azeri soldiers defiling the corpse of female Armenian soldier.

I wonder if this gets any coverage, or if it does, will there be any official reaction? I doubt it, it would be too 'inconvenient' at the moment.

I wonder if this (and other footage) ever got any coverage? Or are people selectively outraged?

https://t.me/caliber_az_official/10838

Ps: I’m not defending the above footage, it’s a war crime and those soldiers should be arrested. 
 

 

[AttilaA]

Armenian soldier smashing the head of a wounded Azerbaijan soldier with rifle, Armenian soldiers cutting the throat of an Azerbaijani soldier, Vice President of Armenia sharing footage of dead Azerbaijani soldiers being fed to pigs etc never got any coverage, neither condemnation. And of course the Western audience is completely ignorant of these, either by ignorance or their selective outrage.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by AttilaA

[Roman Alymov]

This is ancient conflict rooted hundreds of years into history, and all this videos are indicstion that all this talks about civilization etc. are just empty airwaves, people are still the same as they were. The only difference is now they got shiny nice smartphones to film and share their achievements in killing other people.

[AttilaA]

There are such examples too.

 

[Yama]

1 hour ago, AttilaA said:

Armenian soldier smashing the head of a wounded Azerbaijan soldier with rifle, Armenian soldiers cutting the throat of an Azerbaijani soldier, Vice President of Armenia sharing footage of dead Azerbaijani soldiers being fed to pigs etc never got any coverage, neither condemnation. And of course the Western audience is completely ignorant of these, either by ignorance or their selective outrage.

Your outrage at selective outrage is amusing. I do not remember a single news piece of any Azeri atrocity in our MSM. If anything, they are the ones who 'get a pass' in this conflict as both EU and Russia are too busy with other things to make more enemies. The hoi polloi tend to have more sympathies for Armenians, due to their perceived underdog status (not so much moral superiority as few people know or care enough of the conflict to make any judgement). However this attitude doesn't make it to the top levels. It is as I said, inconvenient.

[johnthejock]

1 hour ago, Yama said:

If anything, they are the ones who 'get a pass' in this conflict as both EU and Russia are too busy with other things to make more enemies

Of course nothing to do with this https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/18/eu-signs-deal-with-azerbaijan-to-double-gas-imports-by-2027 or UK investment in the  oilfields https://www.bp.com/en_az/azerbaijan/home/who-we-are/bp-in-azerbaijan.html

1 hour ago, Yama said:

The hoi polloi tend to have more sympathies for Armenians, due to their perceived underdog status (not so much moral superiority as few people know or care enough of the conflict to make any judgement).

Well I agree on the latter but due to this lack of care and virtual media blackout I fear for both the Armenians and Georgians in the long run due to the don't care attitude of the europeans alongside the weakening of the Russians. Erdogan et al have specifically stated long ago their intensions.

Look at the comments of the Turkish foreign minister in 2012 

“On the historic march of our holy nation, the AK Party signals the birth of a global power and the mission for a new world order. This is the centenary of our exit from the Middle East … whatever we lost between 1911 and 1923, whatever lands we withdrew from, from 2011 to 2023 we shall once again meet our brothers in those lands. This is a bounden historic mission.”

I would not put anything past either the Turks or the Azeri's.  

 

[glenn239]

5 hours ago, AttilaA said:

 

Ps: I’m not defending the above footage, it’s a war crime and those soldiers should be arrested. 

Now that Russia has called its mobilization, that might be arranged.

[Daan]

The Turkish TV recently showed a map depicting the ambitions of the current Turkish irredentism movement. For poor Armenia there is no place. 

[BansheeOne]

They haven't really been paying attention to what has become of similar recent maps on Russian TV, right? 😀

[AttilaA]

19 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Now that Russia has called its mobilization, that might be arranged.

Funny guy. 

[AttilaA]

5 hours ago, Yama said:

Your outrage at selective outrage is amusing. I do not remember a single news piece of any Azeri atrocity in our MSM. If anything, they are the ones who 'get a pass' in this conflict as both EU and Russia are too busy with other things to make more enemies. The hoi polloi tend to have more sympathies for Armenians, due to their perceived underdog status (not so much moral superiority as few people know or care enough of the conflict to make any judgement). However this attitude doesn't make it to the top levels. It is as I said, inconvenient.

Ok, what are you even talking about? What is EU and Russia supposed to do over a video? Is Azerbaijan invading Armenian cities, massacring Armenian civilians? Mind you, Armenia have done that and Europe gave zero fucks about it. I posted a photo of ruins of Agdam in previous page, did you see it? Not a result of fighting, but looting.

Edit: You mean the entire conflict? I didn’t knew Armenia was the victim. It was Azerbaijani territories, not Armenian, which were occupied and destroyed. Not only former Nagorno Karabakh, but territories outside of former NKAO where only Azerbaijanis lived.

PS: What do forum members have to say about this? An Armenian soldier smashing the head of a wounded (alive) Azerbaijani soldier with his rifle. 

Edited October 2, 2022 by AttilaA

[Daan]

That two wrongs do not make a right. Perpetrating these war crimes during an incursion against the underdog in the conflict do not improve the optics.

[AttilaA]

1 hour ago, Daan said:

That two wrongs do not make a right. Perpetrating these war crimes during an incursion against the underdog in the conflict do not improve the optics.

Never said that, but social media clowns are already calling for “sanctions”, or insulting Azerbaijanis. If there is anyone one to be sanctioned, it should have been Armenia. 

Those “optics” are already biased, not that it’s going to change anything.
 

[Colin]

On 9/18/2022 at 10:28 AM, AttilaA said:

Azerbaijan MFA:

Nancy Pelosi's groundless and unfair accusations against Azerbaijan are unacceptable 

https://en.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3645996.html

 

and based in large part in California 

[Yama]

3 hours ago, AttilaA said:

Ok, what are you even talking about? What is EU and Russia supposed to do over a video?

Pretty much same they are doing over evidence of atrocities from Ukrainian war - call for war criminals to be convicted, international condemnation, preparing for sanctions if no progress is being made. You know, the usual stuff.

[johnthejock]

Just now, Yama said:

Pretty much same they are doing over evidence of atrocities from Ukrainian war - call for war criminals to be convicted, international condemnation, preparing for sanctions if no progress is being made. You know, the usual stuff.

Historically Azeris (and the Turks) have done a lot, lot, lot, worse without a blink of an eye from the west, so don't hold your breath, especially due to the oil and gas. Well, perhaps, and really perhaps maybe if a 'democratic' solution had been allowed back in 1988/89/90 none of this would have happened, but we are where we are, and I wont be surprised if the Sultan does not make good his foreign ministers speech in 2012, there are  both Turks and Azeri  who are itching to, literally, not just metaphorically to wipe the Armenians off the map to a point where there is nothing left of them not even graves, or historical references.

[glenn239]

4 hours ago, AttilaA said:

Funny guy. 

A bit of column A, a bit of column B on that one.  I'm not sure what to make of the situation, but it seems to me as first principle that the Azeris were using the Ukraine distraction to pursue objectives that I don't think the Russians, Iranians or Chinese were entirely happy with.  The theory was that in this region the Russians lacked troop numbers because of Ukraine.  Well, given Russian mobilization, that's about to change.   

What are Baku and Moscow talking about these days?  The EU wants gas from Azerbaijan.  The Russians presumably are not against that, but will also want the option to order Baku to shut off the taps if necessary?

So I guess my question is, if after a large mobilization Moscow asks Baku to embargo Europe on gas supplies in exchange for a sympathetic attitude on your tensions with Armenia, what would be the response?

Edited October 2, 2022 by glenn239

[urbanoid]

The response would be Turkey.

[johnthejock]

Really, they are on a roll, the west is attending to Ukraine with 100% attention, there is Taiwan and the PRC economic issues for attention on the international sphere. US into midterms so no one really in power.   The Sultan needs eyes away from the inflation and economic downturn. So, more pressure on Armenia which they will get away with.

There will be an Armenian Gleiwitz incident and bobs your nascent genocide, I am not going to guess timescale or why, but a lot of the tick boxes are there.  

[sunday]

3 hours ago, Daan said:

That two wrongs do not make a right. Perpetrating these war crimes during an incursion against the underdog in the conflict do not improve the optics.

Very well said.

[AttilaA]

1 hour ago, Yama said:

Pretty much same they are doing over evidence of atrocities from Ukrainian war - call for war criminals to be convicted, international condemnation, preparing for sanctions if no progress is being made. You know, the usual stuff.

Are you seriously comparing massacres of civilians in Bucha etc to this? 

Go ahead, if Armenian army and the state is also held accountable for their war crimes. Including launching ballistic missiles at residental areas. Otherwise you don’t make sense.