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Any reports of the bmp3 performance?

 

Regarding the BMP-3s, as a side note they are equipped with Vesna-K sighting system.

 

From Tankograd article on BMP-3.

 

The Vesna-K gunner's sight is an optional addition, which can be installed in tandem with a SOZh sight. It comprises a main weapons sight coupled with an FLIR sight and an integrated laser rangefiner, and an AST-B automatic target tracking device. The maximum detection range for the sight is 6500m, and the identification range of a tank-sized target is 4500m. The FLIR sight has a temperature sensitivity of 0.1 degrees Celsius, and can switch between either wide or narrow field of view settings. The field of view in the wide setting is 9 x 6 degrees, and 3 x 2 degrees in the narrow setting. Under maximum electronic magnification, the field of view is 1.5x1 degrees.

 

The AST-B tracking device has a tracking accuracy of 0.17 mrad. It can track anything from infantrymen to aircraft. Coupled with the autocannon's extremely high elevation, the BMP-3 with Vesna-K can engage aircraft flying at a rather impressive altitude.

 

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"At first they captured some posts but then we counterattacked with tanks and the infantry, took back some posts but some others remained under their control."

 

https://youtu.be/PU75Uv0_C-8?t=1m20s

 

If Armenians start talking about losing "some", then you know how it went for them. I mean they are destroying everything on their sight in their stories. An outsider that are not familiar with their mentality probably wouldn't understand much beyond those words.

 

Also under no circumstance could Armenian forces overwhelm Azerbaijani units in counterattack when there had been a breakthrough by Azerbaijani forces supported by armour and helicopters. We know how it went with their counterattack anyway.

 

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I'm sorry but as Russian i am able to compare "mentality" of both Armenians and Azeris at almost daily basis (and i spend years in Rostov-on-Don, 1/3 Armenian town, while having second name some Azeris consider "Azeri" for some reason) - the only thing i can tell you that all people (despite of their nationality) are different. I can't see any specific lying mentality, beyond general "It is not lying - it is telling story in good way" approach typical for Caucasus people

 

By the way nice video for illustration of "mentality" - specifics of national drum playing (Georgian, Azeri, Armenian, shown by , i think, Georgian)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PKggyt0duI

 

Re " know how it went with their counterattack anyway" - as far as i know this photo is from territory controlled by Armenians and journalists walk there freely from first days - indicated Armenians have re-gained at least some territory in counterattack. Remains of Azeri Mi-24 also stayed on Armenian-controlled

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The tank was destroyed while firing towards their former positions, now held by Azerbaijani forces. Hence their "counterattack". So no, the exact place where the tower lies had not switched hands in first place. The same journalists also filmed former Armenian positions from distance FYI.

 

The Mi-24G was deep within their controlled territory, it was not where the ground forces clashed. Also we don't know under which circumstances it was downed. But we know when, during the first day of fighting. By that time Armenians had already published footage of wreckage. Says absolutely nothing.

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The tank was destroyed while firing towards their former positions, now held by Azerbaijani forces. Hence their "counterattack". So no, the exact place where the tower lies had not switched hands in first place. The same journalists also filmed former Armenian positions from distance FYI.

 

Since this Armenian tank was hit, this place was within Azeri fire control zone. As later Armenians were able to walk there freely and even take journalists tours to it - it was no more in Azeri fire control zone, meaning Azeri positions pushed away. So i see no contradiction with Armenian claim that some territory was gained back.

 

So, from my point of view, Azerbaijan got some tactical gains (as at least some Armenian fortified positions are now in Azeri hands) but strategically it is hardly victory: now, following public outcry both inside Armenia and in Russia (where Armenians got significant lobbying power) Armenian army is receiving shipments of new armament (under Russian credit) ; fortified positions, sort of neglected following two decades of more or less peace, will be strengthened; Armenia is likely to acknowledge NKO independence (de-facto integrating it); Azerbaijan is in very challenging economic situation following oil prices reduction http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Azerbaijans-Economy-In-Dire-Straits-As-Oil-Prices-Keep-Tanking.html- so it is hard to expect Azerbaijan army improving further, meaning superiprity against Armenia is to start reducing.

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What? The same journalists have filmed the former Armenian positions in this video. BTW, a Turkish report from another section (in north east Karabakh) showed new Azerbaijani positions, and Armenians have dug new trenches just 100 meters below Azerbaijani ones. Azerbaijani soldiers were not firing at them.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8CmJGmm-iA

 

Sort of neglected? Armenians had prepared their defensive lines for the past 20 years and they claimed it to be invincible.

 

The Armenian-Russian credit agreement was signed last year.

 

Current Azerbaijani oil prices stands at $48-49 per barrel (while in the article you posted it was at $31 back then). 2016 state budget is based on oil price of $25 per barrel.

 

Azerbaijani MoD stated just days ago that a large amount of funds will be allocated for the purpose of arms acquisitions. Azerbaijan has an oil fund in tens of billions, beside current oil prices are an improvement over earlier predictions like said.

 

http://ria.ru/world/20160419/1415274837.html

 

That still doesn't make sense, even in the most pessimistic scenario Azerbaijan would still have a larger military spending than Armenia.

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"Armenia is likely to acknowledge NKO independence"

 

Yeah, that will not happen. It would be equal to declaring war. The Armenian position is that they would do so only in case of an all-out war.

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So, from my point of view, Azerbaijan got some tactical gains (as at least some Armenian fortified positions are now in Azeri hands) but strategically it is hardly victory: now, following public outcry both inside Armenia and in Russia (where Armenians got significant lobbying power) Armenian army is receiving shipments of new armament (under Russian credit) ; fortified positions, sort of neglected following two decades of more or less peace,

 

 

Sure, but my impression is that Azerbaijan can easily spend more money than Armenia in defence. Is this likely to change?

So, from my point of view, Azerbaijan got some tactical gains (as at least some Armenian fortified positions are now in Azeri hands) but strategically it is hardly victory: now, following public outcry both inside Armenia and in Russia (where Armenians got significant lobbying power) Armenian army is receiving shipments of new armament (under Russian credit) ; fortified positions, sort of neglected following two decades of more or less peace,

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Note your video is saying tank was hit by Azeri tank. What i see is that this place was dangerous for Armenians in Day 1, but later it became safe (first photo of this turret popped up as far as i remember long before ceasefire) - so again, i see no contradiction. Where at least some Armenian positions taken by Azeri? Yes they where, even AM side is saying it. Are all positions initially taken by AZ attack still in AZ hands now? I see no proofs for it.

Re " even in the most pessimistic scenario Azerbaijan would still have a larger military spending than Armenia" - again, no contradiction here, as i have newer said Armenia to gain mil superiority, just AZ side having less superiority now.

Re " that would be equal to declaring war" - and so what, Azerbaijan will attack? Do not think so, at least now it will not have surprise factor.

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Note your video is saying tank was hit by Azeri tank. What i see is that this place was dangerous for Armenians in Day 1, but later it became safe (first photo of this turret popped up as far as i remember long before ceasefire) - so again, i see no contradiction. Where at least some Armenian positions taken by Azeri? Yes they where, even AM side is saying it. Are all positions initially taken by AZ attack still in AZ hands now? I see no proofs for it.

Re " even in the most pessimistic scenario Azerbaijan would still have a larger military spending than Armenia" - again, no contradiction here, as i have newer said Armenia to gain mil superiority, just AZ side having less superiority now.

Re " that would be equal to declaring war" - and so what, Azerbaijan will attack? Do not think so, at least now it will not have surprise factor.

 

It says it was hit by an anti-tank missile. Here as well. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1303655129649617&set=a.492809640734174.129317.100000154284713&type=3&theater

 

There is a video of the destroyed tank while it was firing towards those hills like said. Those positions were still in hands of Azerbaijan later as you can see in the video. About "safety", did you read my post?

 

The photo and video appeared on 8 April. After the ceasefire.

 

On contrary, there is no proof that Armenia re-gained anything. As for Azerbaijan's capture of Armenian posts, that is not even up to the debate as there are photos of Armenian equipment left behind (anti-tank missiles, trucks/UAZ etc.) and photos of former Armenian positions that shows the signs of their former presence.

 

Again:

 

Dargahli underlined that under the instructions of Azerbaijani President lham Aliyev, a large amount of funds will be allocated in order to create additional military reserves and equip the countrys armed forces with the most modern weapons and equipment.

 

 

Such a move would terminate the negotiation process. For now Azerbaijan's position is that it can still sit on the negotiation table but that there should be a real progress, otherwise there is no point.

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Turkey to establish military base in Azerbaijan

 

Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev signed a verdict Wednesday to approve the protocol that the Turkish military has been allocated to manage buildings and structures in the country’s military town.

The protocol says Azerbaijan government has allocated buildings and structures in Gizil Sherg military town, and one terminal building located in the airfield in Haji Zeynalabdin Tagiyev settlement for the use of the Turkish Armed Forces.
Azerbaijani and Turkish governments signed the relevant protocol on July 3, 2016.

http://aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-to-establish-military-base-in-azerbaijan/612446

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