Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[AttilaA]

Armenian ministry of defence have confirmed that Azerbaijan shot down Armenian aircraft and helicopters during the war.

If I recall correctly, Azerbaijan ministry of defence reported about shooting down a total of 7 Su-25s during the war.

https://t.me/bagramyan26/32136

 

[urbanoid]

Just makes me wonder, Azerbaijan bought a shitload of Israeli drones, shitload of Russian attack helos, lots of stuff for the ground forces, but it still seems to suck in department of modern, manned combat aircraft. What was the issue, as I assume it wasn't money (not with all this oil flowing)?

[TrustMe]

23 hours ago, AttilaA said:

Armenian ministry of defence have confirmed that Azerbaijan shot down Armenian aircraft and helicopters during the war.

If I recall correctly, Azerbaijan ministry of defence reported about shooting down a total of 7 Su-25s during the war.

https://t.me/bagramyan26/32136

 

The whole 'Low level' attack plane concept is obsolete due to advances in MANPAD technology. Another conflict that saw lot's of Su25 kill's was the Russian invasion of Ukraine on the Ukrainian side.

Edited October 8, 2021 by TrustMe

[Mighty_Zuk]

3 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Just makes me wonder, Azerbaijan bought a shitload of Israeli drones, shitload of Russian attack helos, lots of stuff for the ground forces, but it still seems to suck in department of modern, manned combat aircraft. What was the issue, as I assume it wasn't money (not with all this oil flowing)?

Maybe a concept of short range operations?

It already has modern SAMs to keep its forces protected.

[lucklucky]

On 10/8/2021 at 12:14 PM, urbanoid said:

Just makes me wonder, Azerbaijan bought a shitload of Israeli drones, shitload of Russian attack helos, lots of stuff for the ground forces, but it still seems to suck in department of modern, manned combat aircraft. What was the issue, as I assume it wasn't money (not with all this oil flowing)?

I defend we are in independent missile age. When you can just send a rocket with precision to some place 300km distant why do you need an aircraft for that costs several times more,  airfields , training in other aircraft, etc...?

Edited October 9, 2021 by lucklucky

[AttilaA]

On 10/8/2021 at 1:14 PM, urbanoid said:

Just makes me wonder, Azerbaijan bought a shitload of Israeli drones, shitload of Russian attack helos, lots of stuff for the ground forces, but it still seems to suck in department of modern, manned combat aircraft. What was the issue, as I assume it wasn't money (not with all this oil flowing)?

It seems like the relatively limited scope of Karabakh theater influenced that, basically what @lucklucky said. 

But Armenia started to talk about «new doctrine based on offense», «taking the war into Azerbaijani territory», «new war for new territories» etc. They also went ahead with the purchase of Su-30s (they bought 4 units before the war, with total of 12 planned, a squadron).

Armenia’s Su-30 procurement must have prompted Azerbaijan to plan the acquisition of new aircrafts. In early 2020 Azerbaijan and Leonardo signed a MoU for M-346 (the basic trainer variant).

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/azerbaijan-and-leonardo-to-discuss-m-346-industrial-work/136904.article

And there was this in April 2020

7 APRIL 2020 12:27

Azerbaijan Air Force representatives visit Russian enterprises manufacturing combat aircraft

As part of military-technical cooperation between the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation, a group of specialists of the Air Force of Azerbaijan visited the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Russia.

The Azerbaijani delegation visited Russian military plants manufacturing Su-35 and MiG-35 combat aircraft. During meetings with representatives of one of the leaders of the global arms market in Russia, the "Rosoboronexport" Company and the leadership of military plants, our country expressed its interest in purchasing the most advanced Russian-made combat aircraft.

The Azerbaijani delegation was presented with briefings on the characteristics, combat capabilities, armament of combat aircraft, as well as the production, operation, and maintenance of air assets.

The Russian side, in turn, expressed its readiness to deliver combat aircraft to our country in a quantity that meets the needs of the Azerbaijan Air Force.

Azerbaijani military pilots have performed practical flights on MiG-35 aircraft at Russian military airbases.

https://mod.gov.az/en/news/azerbaijan-air-force-representatives-visit-russian-enterprises-manufacturing-combat-aircraft-30605.html
 

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2021 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Western countries would not sell combat aircrafts to Azerbaijan, so the only choice is either Russia or Pakistan’s JF-17s.

Assuming that Russia would still green light the sell of combat aircrafts to Azerbaijan post-war.

[lucklucky]

Probably went to Leonardo M-346 because Russia would not sell the similar Yak 130.

Albeit the M-346 also have a version with radar and possibly AAM's would still be a very light fighter.

[AttilaA]

What I assume to be «kill marks» on S-300PMU2 radar and TELs. 

S-300PMU2 reportedly intercepted several Scud ballistic missiles, which would make it the first time a Russian system has intercepted a ballistic missile in combat, unless I’m mistaken.

 

Edited October 9, 2021 by AttilaA

[Nemmexe]

Armenian Army was much more trained and readier, But big guys wanted it to be defeated, because they want only Muslims to live in the area, not non Muslims ... Azerbaijanis officially confirmed that Armenian Army would have occupied Baku within hours, if it was not due to IRGC terrorists fighting them, after the last war. The one before this. Only God knows how many Armenians were executed / raped by Azeri Muslim Army soldiers!!!

[urbanoid]

uh...

[AttilaA]

This is the average level of internet comments on Karabakh conflict.

Edited October 12, 2021 by AttilaA

[Simon Tan]

Watched an interesting piece with PoV of Armenian villagers in the new front lines. There is no big picture. No context. Just a stubborn notion of lost permanence. There really is no attempt to make the peace bearable. 

[Nemmexe]

On 10/11/2021 at 11:02 PM, urbanoid said:

uh...

Search about "Islamic Cresent" ... The Iranian Regime is following this idea. An United Islamic Empire that brings all Islamic nations under one umbrella, in short.

[Nemmexe]

On 10/12/2021 at 8:42 AM, AttilaA said:

This is the average level of internet comments on Karabakh conflict.

That's not only a simple border conflict! The only non Muslim country in the area (The middle East), is Armenia, It has to be subjugated. I understand it is a little bit hard to comprehend this for most of foreigners, specially non Muslim ones.

[sunday]

2 minutes ago, Nemmexe said:

Search about "Islamic Cresent" ... The Iranian Regime is following this idea. An United Islamic Empire that brings all Islamic nations under one umbrella, in short.

First Sunni and Shiite muslims need resolve their differences, i.e. the firsts to genocide the others will win.

[Nemmexe]

On 10/12/2021 at 8:51 AM, Simon Tan said:

Watched an interesting piece with PoV of Armenian villagers in the new front lines. There is no big picture. No context. Just a stubborn notion of lost permanence. There really is no attempt to make the peace bearable. 

Well, there is no peace with terrorists. No one ever dares to talk about Ottoman army massacre of non Turkish people in the area back in WW1, because they are afraid of being blown up to pieces by radical terrorists.

[Nemmexe]

2 minutes ago, sunday said:

First Sunni and Shiite muslims need resolve their differences, i.e. the firsts to genocide the others will win.

If we want to stick with history, there is nothing called "Shiite" before Safavid dynasty, and No "Sunni" before first, if not mistaken, crusade.

[sunday]

46 minutes ago, Nemmexe said:

If we want to stick with history, there is nothing called "Shiite" before Safavid dynasty, and No "Sunni" before first, if not mistaken, crusade.

Well, there were no Christian Protestants during the First Crusade, either! 🙂

[AttilaA]

12 hours ago, Nemmexe said:

That's not only a simple border conflict! The only non Muslim country in the area (The middle East), is Armenia, It has to be subjugated. I understand it is a little bit hard to comprehend this for most of foreigners, specially non Muslim ones.

Yet Iran was at least covertly supporting Armenia for the past 30 years and now post-war is pretty much openly on Armenia’s side. How come? Iranian border continue to be Armenia’s lifeline. 

[AttilaA]

13 hours ago, Nemmexe said:

Well, there is no peace with terrorists. No one ever dares to talk about Ottoman army massacre of non Turkish people in the area back in WW1, because they are afraid of being blown up to pieces by radical terrorists.

The only case of terrorism was carried out by Armenians who turned Azerbaijani settlements into ruins during and after the first Karabakh war (not a result of combat but deliberate looting), not to mention the hundreds of thousands they displaced + massacres.
 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by AttilaA

[futon]

12 hours ago, Nemmexe said:

If we want to stick with history, there is nothing called "Shiite" before Safavid dynasty, and No "Sunni" before first, if not mistaken, crusade.

Does Iran hate gay people more than Russia?

[Mighty_Zuk]

16 hours ago, Nemmexe said:

That's not only a simple border conflict! The only non Muslim country in the area (The middle East), is Armenia, It has to be subjugated. I understand it is a little bit hard to comprehend this for most of foreigners, specially non Muslim ones.

I also live in a non-muslim country in the middle east, albeit thankfully not Armenia. 

And it's hard to comprehend for me as well.

[Nemmexe]

On 10/14/2021 at 1:21 PM, AttilaA said:

The only case of terrorism was carried out by Armenians who turned Azerbaijani settlements into ruins during and after the first Karabakh war (not a result of combat but deliberate looting), not to mention the hundreds of thousands they displaced + massacres.
 

 

Have you ever heard about Massacres done by Ottoman army during WW1? Or Qajat dynasty during 1800's? Or Safavid Empire??? Pretty Sure, no. Muslims and Islam are totalitarian. Only two things they care, are Blood and Sex, Nothing more.

[Nemmexe]

On 10/14/2021 at 1:34 PM, futon said:

Does Iran hate gay people more than Russia?

The regime, Yes, People, No.