Armenia Azerbaijan Conflict

[sunday]

2 minutes ago, Ssnake said:

It just provokes the universe into building better fools.

Reverse Darwinism, of a kind.

[AttilaA]

203mm Pion 

 

[BansheeOne]

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Armenia says three troops dead in clashes with Azerbaijan

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The Armenian Defense Ministry has said three of its soldiers have died in clashes in the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh. Azerbaijan rejects Yerevan's account, accusing Armenia of a military provocation.

Armenia's Defense Ministry said on Wednesday that three of its troops had been killed in clashes with Azerbaijan's military in what is one of the deadliest incidents over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh since a six-week conflict ended last November. 

"As a result of armed action launched following an attack by Azerbaijani forces, there are three dead and two wounded from the Armenian side as of 08:30 [0430 GMT]," the ministry said in a statement.

Armenia's Foreign Ministry added, "the Azerbaijani side is deliberately escalating the situation as its forces remain illegally on Armenia's sovereign territory."

What has Azerbaijan said?

The Azeri government rejected Armenia's account.

Its defense ministry accused Armenia of military provocation, saying Armenian forces opened fire toward Azerbaijani positions in the district of Kelbajar in the early hours of Wednesday.

"Armenia bears full responsibility for the escalation of tensions along the two countries' shared border," it said, adding that two Azeri soldiers had been wounded.

[...] 

https://m.dw.com/en/armenia-says-three-troops-dead-in-clashes-with-azerbaijan/a-58667797

[AttilaA]

Spike ER, Second Karabakh War. 

[AttilaA]

More or less what I have said before in this thread.

Excerpts from an article by Onnik Krikorian: 

«Unlike Northern Cyprus, Karabakh does not have a coast and nor does it operate flights to and from the territory under its control. It also lacks a sizeable border with a powerful military security guarantor such as the Russian Federation as is the case with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Instead, now having lost control over Kelbajar and Lachin especially, Karabakh is connected to Armenia only by the narrow “Lachin Corridor,” and as per the 2020 ceasefire agreement, a new route bypassing the town itself is already under construction by a Turkish company. Karabakh, quite simply, is not viable in any shape or form without establishing and improving relations with Baku. And so far the two don’t appear to be talking.

Meanwhile, the de facto authorities in Karabakh note that over 80 percent of the disputed territory’s water comes from outside the former Nagorno Karabakh Autonomous Oblast (NKAO) itself, i.e. from Azerbaijan proper, so it is not difficult to imagine a situation where competition for water and other natural resources will increase as the seven regions surrounding NKAO are resettled by returning Azerbaijani IDPs as well as others.

It is therefore likely that at some point water will be diverted to meet the needs of those new Azerbaijani communities living outside what remains of the NKAO rather than the ethnic Armenians remaining within, all the while taking place against a backdrop of climate change and fears that future wars will be fought over water.

The same is true with Karabakh’s electricity-generation capacity given that most of it came from hydroelectric power stations in areas that are now no longer under Armenian control. Taken together, it is difficult to consider Karabakh a viable or sustainable entity in any form until and unless there is an improvement in relations with Baku – assuming that both Armenia and Azerbaijan actually want that to happen.

For now, therefore, or at least in terms of implementing the 2020 9-point ceasefire agreement, the main issue at hand is to keep ethnic Armenians in Karabakh, a daunting task given the impracticality of living there in the current environment. And time really is running out. Whether the peacekeeping mission remains in Karabakh longer than 2025 matters not if there is no water, electricity, or trade to sustain an already dwindling population.»

https://www.getrevue.co/profile/onewmphoto/issues/some-private-thoughts-on-the-post-2020-armenia-azerbaijan-conflict-environment-397318

 

Edited August 12, 2021 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

According to «Israelhayom» newspaper, Azerbaijan and Israel are going to sign an arms deal worth $2 billion in the coming months.

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/defense/article/3951921

 

 

[TrustMe]

Interesting analysis of the Azerbaijan / Armenia 2020 war.

 

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/Online-Exclusive/2021-OLE/Erickson/

[AttilaA]

One of the three airports being built in territories liberated by Azerbaijan in the last war.

 

Edited September 2, 2021 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

 

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[AttilaA]

Azerbaijan’s artillery units are equipped with modern fire & control systems. Coupled with a wide range of UAVs, artillery units had a huge advantage over Armenian army.

https://t.me/military_az/7646

Edited September 5, 2021 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

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[AttilaA]

According to the website of Azerbaijan’s State Border Service, Harop and Skystriker (named «Quzğun” (raven) in Azerbaijani service) loitering munitions (operated by Border Guards) destroyed a total of 290 enemy targets, including ballistic missile launchers, air defence systems, tanks & armored vehicles etc
 

“Harop, “Quzğun” pilotsuz uçuş aparatlarının peşəkar tətbiqi nəticəsində düşmənin strateji əhəmiyyətli hədəfləri, o cümlədən "Toçka-U", “Elbrus” (SKAD) operativ–taktiki raket kompleksləri, “S-300”, “KRUQ”, “OSA” “KUB”, “TOR” zenit-raket kompleksləri, radio elektron-mübarizə stansiyaları, tankları, zirehli döyüş maşınları və digər texnikası, komanda idarəetmə məntəqələrinin məhv edildiyi, ümumilikdə 290 düşmən hədəfinin, çoxsaylı canlı qüvvəsinin zərərsizləşdirildiyi qeyd edilmişdir.”

https://dsx.gov.az/xeber/1114

Edited September 16, 2021 by AttilaA

[AttilaA]

Second Karabakh war, Buk-MB air-defence system.

9A310 MB TELAR with 3x 9M317 & 1x 9M38M1 missiles.

Launch of 9M38M1 missile.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 23, 2021 by AttilaA

[Stuart Galbraith]

https://themedialine.org/headlines/iran-says-military-drills-on-border-with-azerbaijan-protects-its-sovereignty/

Iran held military exercises near its border with Azerbaijan to protect its “sovereignty,” Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Saeed Khatibzadeh said Tuesday.

Iran, he said, “will take all measures it judges necessary for its national security.” He added that: “Iran will not tolerate the presence of the Zionist regime near our borders” possibly referring to the fact that Azerbaijan has diplomatic relations with Israel.

 

There is alap a claim  which I've not verified.

 

 

[glenn239]

Atilla -what's causing the tensions with Iran?  

[AttilaA]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Atilla -what's causing the tensions with Iran?  

It’s the Iranian side, together with its state media, that are creating a tension out of thin air. They are simply hostile towards Azerbaijan. What they get out of it is a mystery to me, I see it only as a negative for Iran since 1/3 of Iran are ethnic Azerbaijani Turks and such rhetoric only will drive more of them against the Iranian state itself.

Azerbaijani president critized Iran’s military exercises near Azerbaijan’s border few days ago, and the anti-Azerbaijani rhetoric (already present) got out of hand since then. But Ilham Aliyev has a point. There was very little Iranian military presence in bordering areas when Karabakh was under Armenian occupation. Suddenly, after Azerbaijan liberates its lands, Iran starts to deploy its military to the border (including areas adjacent to south of Karabakh) and conduct exercises. Naturally the Azerbaijani side asks, why now? Iran was undoubtedly happy with the previous status-quo (occupation of Azerbaijani lands).
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-27/azeri-president-criticizes-iranian-military-drills-near-border

Edited September 29, 2021 by AttilaA

[Ssnake]

Maybe the fact that Azerbaijan has now drones from them evil Jooos.

[Yama]

Iran is more afraid about Turks than Jews.

[Stuart Galbraith]

From what im hearing online, its not just the drones, they are afraid of evil joo's (tm) being in the country. But there is also another concern that occurred to me. I was looking at the demographics of Iran, and I found this which I thought was interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iran

The largest linguistic group comprises speakers of Iranian languages, like modern Persian, Kurdish, Gilaki, Mazandarani, Luri, Talysh, and Balochi. Speakers of Turkic languages, most notably Azerbaijanis, which is by far the second-most spoken language in the country, but also the Turkmen, and the Qashqai peoples, comprise a substantial minority.

From the same sites figures, Azeri population alone hovers between 16 and 25 percent of the iranian population. So if you are Iranian, you a look at the recent  war Azerbaijan won and realise you have absolutely nothing equipment wise that can beat it, look at a substantial population base that may have more in common with Azerbaijan than yourselves, then look at the presence of Israeli equipment, an excellent jumping off point for strikes on your nuclear program. And you probably start to get a little twitchy. Well its Iran, they were born twitchy.

 

Edited September 30, 2021 by Stuart Galbraith
AttilaA beat me to it it about the large Azeri population.

[glenn239]

So the Iranians fear the Azeris would allow the Israelis to use their country as a UAV / air base against Iran?  Curious.

[sunday]

I wonder what Israel does have against Armenians.

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

So the Iranians fear the Azeris would allow the Israelis to use their country as a UAV / air base against Iran?  Curious.

Or perhaps a base for Mossad operations. The ease with which the Israelis seem to be able to get some substantial equipment and people into Iran needs some explanation.

[RETAC21]

8 hours ago, Yama said:

Iran is more afraid about Turks than Jews.

This, see how the Turks are making inroads with Iran's Northern neighbours:

https://eurasianet.org/turkmenistan-buys-first-two-ships-for-new-navy

Iran even has a Northern Fleet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Fleet_(Iran)

[AttilaA]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

I wonder what Israel does have against Armenians.

How so? Because they sell armament to Azerbaijan, which Azerbaijan pays for? Azerbaijan is one of the largest customers of Israeli defence industry, if not the second largest after India. 

 

Edited September 30, 2021 by AttilaA