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2900 vs 4000+ is not really «slightly» lower, Armenia’s KIA might be even up to 5000 as they still haven’t released MIA numbers. Btw, Armenian side released alot of videos during the first week or so, they only stopped because the footage was from cameras installed along first-second lines of defence lines which got overrun. Just FYI.

They had the terrain advantage + 30 years of defence fortifications. The theatre of operations was not particularly large, Armenians knew more or less where Azerbaijani troops would advance from so they covered those areas with artillery. Most of those artillery assets were detected and destroyed but they still inflicted alot of damage in the first weeks. 
 

 

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Azeri also reportedly lost over 500 Syrian mercenaries.

Current number of Armenian missing in Wikipedia page is about 320, I don't know how accurate it is. I presume lots of Armenians deserted once the situation began to look hopeless.

3:4 casualty ratio is extremely even, in first war in the '90s Azeri took like twice the casualties.

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So in summary, the Azeris won an astounding military and political victory with long term territorial consequences, and did it with fewer casualties than the defeated Armenians, while remaining on good terms with both the Russians and the Turks?    

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I still struggle to see what's your point here is. Seems to be everyone everywhere is in consensus that the Azeri won the war. It is hardly a big shock or surprise, already like 15 years ago it was pointed out that the oil wealth will allow Azerbaijen to build up a military which Armenia cannot possibly match.

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6 hours ago, Yama said:

I still struggle to see what's your point here is. Seems to be everyone everywhere is in consensus that the Azeri won the war. It is hardly a big shock or surprise, already like 15 years ago it was pointed out that the oil wealth will allow Azerbaijen to build up a military which Armenia cannot possibly match.

Still, Armenia had the advantage as it was fighting on the defence. 

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On 5/14/2021 at 7:08 PM, AttilaA said:

2900 vs 4000+ is not really «slightly» lower, Armenia’s KIA might be even up to 5000 as they still haven’t released MIA numbers.

The issue of casualties is still open and gets constantly adjusted.

Do you have any information on the number of Azeri wounded?

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On 5/15/2021 at 10:18 PM, TrustMe said:

Still, Armenia had the advantage as it was fighting on the defence. 

Problem with fixed defence - now more than ever - is that they allow the attacker to reduce it in a setpiece battle plan and concentration of force. The frontage is extremely small so there wasn't even much chance to maneuver.

The Azeri had planned for this war throughly, for example use of unmanned An-2's to bait out Armenian air defences so they could be located and targeted. Once the air dominance was achieved, they could estabilish Schwerpunkt and target even individual men with smart munitions.

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Date 27.05.2021

Azerbaijan arrests 6 Armenian soldiers at border

Relations between the two countries remain strained following last year's war over the breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Azerbaijan's Defense Ministry said on Thursday that six Armenian servicemen were detained as they attempted to cross the border. 

According to the Azeri army, an "intelligence-sabotage group" of Armenian soldiers tried to cross to the other side at around 3 a.m. local time (0700 UTC). 

Armenia's Defense Ministry confirmed the arrests but said that Azerbaijan captured the soldiers "while [they were] carrying out engineering works in bordering area of Gegharkunik region of Armenia."

In November, Armenia and Azerbaijan signed a Russian-brokered deal to end the military conflict over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

But tensions have been rising again since both countries last month accused the other of opening fire in Karabakh and their shared border.

What are the recent tensions? 

Armenia had accused Azerbaijan of firing at Armenian positions earlier this week. Azerbaijan denied the accusation.

An Armenian soldier was killed in a border shootout with Azerbaijani forces on Tuesday, according to Armenia's Defense Ministry.

Earlier this month, Armenia also accused the Azeri military of crossing its southern border in an "infiltration" to "lay siege" to a lake shared by the two countries.

The United States and France have called on Azerbaijan to withdraw its forces from Armenian territories.

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https://www.dw.com/en/azerbaijan-arrests-6-armenian-soldiers-at-border/a-57679790

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Date 20.06.2021

Armenia holds snap election triggered by war defeat

The vote comes after Armenia fought a recent war with Azerbaijan over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Armenians began casting their ballots on Sunday in a parliamentary election, as acting Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan fights for another term in office against former President Robert Kocharyan. 

The elections come after Armenia lost a six-week war against Azerbaijan over the Nagorno-Karabakh region last fall.

The disputed territory lies within Azerbaijan but had been under the control of ethnic Armenian forces — backed by the Armenian government — since 1994.

The results will be closely watched by other key players in the region, such as Russia and Turkey.

Who are the candidates?

The ballot includes 21 political parties and four electoral blocs, but two political forces are seen as the main contenders: the ruling Civic Contract party led by Pashinyan and the Armenia Alliance, led by Kocharyan.

Pashinyan, a 46-year-old reformist, swept to power in 2018, having pledged to get rid of corruption and forge closer ties between Armenia and the West. 

Yet, he has lost popularity with many Armenians after signing a Moscow-brokered peace deal to end last year's war with Azerbaijan over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

Pashinyan said the truce was necessary to prevent further losses of territory and life but stepped down from the premiership to allow the election to take place.

Opponents say he failed to carry out promised reforms and that he surrendered territory to Azerbaijan under last year's peace deal.

Kocharyan served as Armenia's president from 1998 to 2008 and has promised to engage in negotiations on Nagorno-Karabakh's borders if elected.

Kocharyan, who is closely tied to Russian President Vladimir Putin, faces a corruption investigation.

The 66-year-old has accused the government of rigging the vote against him.

Close race

Recent media reports cite polls showing Pashinyan's party and Kocharyan's bloc in a close race, and it's unclear if either will be able to win 54% of parliament seats necessary to form a government.

A venomous election campaign saw candidates exchange insults and threats, and both front-runners are expected to stage protests after the vote.

President Armen Sarkissian has decried attempts "to incite hatred and enmity" and urged a peaceful election.

More than 2,000 polling stations will take part, with nearly 2.6 million people eligible to vote.

The first results are expected late Sunday evening.

https://www.dw.com/en/armenia-holds-snap-election-triggered-by-war-defeat/a-57970798

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Armenia: Pashinyan wins election with over half the votes

8h ago

Prime Minister Nicol Pashinyan's main challengers, the newly formed Armenia Alliance, lagged behind with 21% of the vote, according to the election commission.

Nicol Pashinyan and his Civil Contact party won the Armenian parliamentary election with 53.92% of the votes, according to the country's electoral commission on Monday.

Former president Robert Kocharyan’s newly-created Armenia Alliance party trailed in a distant second place, with 21% of the total vote.

The win came after Pashinyan himself proclaimed victory in an earlier Facebook post, saying that the voters gave the mandate to his party and "personally to me to lead the country as prime minister."

Kocharyan's party had earlier disputed the incomplete results, saying there were numerous reports of electoral violations.

"Large opposition rallies ahead of the elections, small events organized by the government, the trust crisis in the country indicate a completely different mood," the party said.

Observers from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) declared the "overwhelmingly positive" election to have been "competitive and well run". Its report released on Monday said "fundamental freedoms key to democratic elections were generally respected" in Sunday's "highly transparent" polls.  

Just one other party, led by businessman Gagik Tsarukyan, was likely to clear the 5% threshold and get seats in parliament, according to early results on Sunday evening.

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https://m.dw.com/en/armenia-pashinyan-wins-election-with-over-half-the-votes/a-57970798

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It appears that some of the Barak-8 air defence systems are now deployed in Karabakh region. 

Azerbaijan MOD reported «The Minister of Defense Colonel General Zakir Hasanov visited one of the units of the Air Defense troops stationed in the liberated territories.» 

https://mod.gov.az/en/news/the-minister-of-defense-visited-units-of-the-air-defense-troops-stationed-in-the-liberated-territories-35858.html

The published photos shows the command & control center of Barak-8.

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On 7/1/2021 at 5:05 AM, Simon Tan said:

Is Karabakh being repopulated? Are the formerly displaced persons and their descendents returning? How are they rebuilding?

It needs time. Armenians destroyed every Azerbaijani settlement outside of NKAO.

So you need to: Build new infrastructure, rebuild the settlements, create economic activity for people returning

Azerbaijan is already building several new highways, airports, power substations etc.

A new highway to Shusha, highway and tunnels through Murov mountain range to Kalbajar, highway to Lachin, Zengilan etc

This is the city plan of Agdam, they have already started the construction:

https://alexcheban.livejournal.com/350659.html

Construction of Fuzuli airport (2 other airports will be built in Lachin and Zengilan):

https://alexcheban.livejournal.com/350328.html

 

 

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On 7/17/2021 at 10:34 AM, Yama said:

Azeri lost one Su-25, ISTR it was SAM, so it seems the system is not totally foolproof, or was it IR guided?

I don’t know the details but is there such a thing as totally foolproof?

There is no data so no one knows how these performed during the war. It would be interesting to know of course. 

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8 hours ago, AttilaA said:

is there such a thing as totally foolproof?

It just provokes the universe into building better fools.

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