sunday Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Simon Tan said: I am curious about the actual dynamics of Baku-Ankara relationship. And, Baku-Tel Aviv? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, sunday said: And, Baku-Tel Aviv? I think can answer that...apparently the Israelis recruit heavily from the Azeries for their operations inside Iran. Hence the generous weapons sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, Josh said: I think can answer that...apparently the Israelis recruit heavily from the Azeries for their operations inside Iran. Hence the generous weapons sales. Interesting, interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) “Generous”? Azerbaijan pays for them last time I checked. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-azerbaijan-has-bought-5-billion-in-israeli-military-goods-1.5473569 Azerbaijan purchased armament worth 5+ billion from Russia since 2010 too. https://tass.com/world/1019588 Edited December 10, 2020 by AttilaA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Second Karabakh War: Spike LR hitting Armenian T-72 Edited December 11, 2020 by AttilaA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALADIN Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Shusha where probably the toughest( hand to hand combat on occasion ) battles took place and Hadrut where a Armenian regiment deserted when face with Azeri Special Forces , any info or details from the Azeri side ? Le Monde and NYT make passing mention of Shusha only . Hadrut is known because the NKR President very honestly revealed that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 4:39 AM, AttilaA said: “Generous”? Azerbaijan pays for them last time I checked. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-azerbaijan-has-bought-5-billion-in-israeli-military-goods-1.5473569 Azerbaijan purchased armament worth 5+ billion from Russia since 2010 too. https://tass.com/world/1019588 Sure, Azerbaijan pays, but it does get access to weapon systems that not even the IDF can afford, despite fears of said weapons falling to the hands of Turks and Iranians. That's for example why every American weapons sale is on a G2G basis, where you first have to receive the government's approval, then Congress, and only then proceed to sign a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Quote The Dec issue of Airforces Monthly has a 6 page article on the above bunfight Titled: NAGORNO – KARABAKH Remote controlled warfare has arrived. Here is a small section from it: First strikes The Turkish made Baykar Defence Bairaktar TB2 armed medium altitude long endurance (MALE) drone played a key role in the early days of the offensive . Azerbaijani forces used it to deliver precise strikes against a significant number of Nagorno Karabakh defence forces (NKDF) mobile SAM systems on the front line. The principle weapon in these attacks was the Roketsan MAM-L 22kg laser guided bomb which has a range of of up to 8km (Extendable to 14km when using an INS/GPS package) The laser guided MAM-C was also used by the Bairaktar TB2 from a range of up to 8 km when dropped from high altitude. The drones proved largely undetectable to the old generation radars of the SAM systems due to a relatively low radar cross section (RCS) allied to smart tactics and electronic jamming (created by ground based EW systems such as the Turkish made Aselsan KORAL) Flying above 16000ft the Bairaktar TB2 dropped their laser guided bombs from a height beyond the reach of small calibre anti aircraft artillery (AAA) and shoulder launched SAMs. The Turkish made drones also took out 2 Russian made Repellent -1 Truck mounted counter UAS systems (Combat video was released from both these strikes) delivered on September 30 and October 9 respectively) These systems had been deployed to create datalink jamming in order to disrupt drone operations so their failure was a serious blow to the NKDF anti drone capability. Their loss effectively allowed the Azerbaijan armed and surveillance drones to orbit undisturbed The most common NKDF SAM system on the front line is the Soviet era 9K33 Osa-AKM (SA-8 Gecko) which is equipped with a search radar that works in the X band. This appears to have failed to have provided reliable detection of small and medium sized drones even at shorter distances. The OSA AKMs fielded by the NKDF are known to have undergone a minor upgrade by the Armenian defence industry with the addition of a new moving target selection capability and electro optical (EO) target tracking tracking system as well as better signal processing but the upgrades failed to endow the obsolete SAM system with an effective counter UAV capability. The systematic and aggressive hunt for NKDF GBAD began on September 27 and saw the destruction of no fewer than 10 9K33 OSA AKW and 9 K35 Strela -10M2 (SA13 Gopher) systems plus at least one P-18 (Spoon rest D) 2D early warning radar in the first 4 days of the conflict As of Oct 23 the frontline air defences had lost as many as eight Osa AKM , three Strela -10M2 and one 1S32 krug (SA4 Ganef) SAM systems In addition attacks were mounted against at least three Armenian S-300PS/PT-1 positions between Sept 29 and Oct 10. This saw the complete destruction of two ST-68U/UM target search radars, one 5P85S missile launcher unit and one 5N63S (NATO Flat Lid) targeting and missile guidance radar. An S-125 Neva (NATO SA-3 Goa) was also neutralised by a Harop (Israeli loitering suicide drone) with video footage released by the Azerbaijan MOD The formidable use of the Bairaktar TB2 to deliver a lethal impact with ease and impunity against the NKDF SAM systems suggests that the complex and dangerous DEAD operations was most likely conducted by Turkish crews with expertise gained in real world combat (Syria/Libya) The wide use of antiquated Antonov AN-2 biplanes by the Azerbaijani forces especially in the first week of the conflict proved to be another innovation in is DEAD effort The NKDF released numerous combat videos showing white painted An-2 taking SAM hits on the frontline and displaying their wreckage on the ground. Initially it was baffling why these slow moving biplanes had been sent on suicide missions . But later it became clear that the An-2s locally converted into drones were being flown as decoys to trigger a reaction from the NKDF air defences . This allowed the Azerbaijan forces to pinpoint to position of SAM Systems Tactical failings Analysis of several combat videos released by the Azerbaijani MOD revealed a lack of any serious effort by NKDF targets to camouflage or conceal either their positions or heavy weapons. Most of the targets were easily identifiable from the air at long distances. The NKDF also proved ill-prepared to counter commonly used laser guided air and land launched munitions fired at its heavy weapons . There was little sign of even simple self protection equipment such as smoke grenades or laser warning systems (LWS)….The lack of LWS and smoke grenades -despite multiple indications that the Azerbaijani forces had purchased large quantities of laser guided weapons represents a huge oversight which has led to the loss of hundreds of NKDF MBTs, MLRS. SAMs, IFV and troops Game Changer The list of lessons learnt from this bloody and intense fought war should perhaps begin with the conclusion that todays UAS technology enables it wider and more effective use in a variety of of battlefield missions. However this game changing role is only possible after suppressing and destroying enemy air defences . It may have been a different story in Nagorno Karabakh if the Azerbaijan forces had faced a more potent defence than legacy GBAD. It should also be noted that the Armenian MOD and NKDF leadership have committed a serious mistake by failing to recognise the importance of the Azerbaijani newly gained capability to wage high tech war. This massed use of of strike/ISR drones using laser guided munitions, complemented by a huge fleet of loitering munitions , land based cruise missiles. ballistic missiles (Israeli LORA missile) and rockets and the offensive tactics used in Nagorno Karabakh were borrowed from the combat hardened Turkish military. while the Armenians are waging yesterdays war This quote was posted by a commenter named Farouk here https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/airpower-by-novel-means-drones-over-nagorno-karabakh/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Peter Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Two men beheaded in videos from Nagorno-Karabakh war identified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Head cutting is like a national pastime in the Caucasus. Whoever things wars in Balkans were bad... should revisit their history of the 1990s wars in the Caucasus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALADIN Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 https://d9mc3ts4czbpr.cloudfront.net/en/article/karabah-2020-voenno-analiticheskij-razbor/?fbclid=IwAR0nwMU7M9RWArjHBSYfVXI6RQVRIob49fD1_KfuyLukDRKkN9IasTncYdc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Thanks interesting article! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALADIN Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Colin , the following is a pretty outstanding analysis as well .This gentleman in the early stages of the war though had completely talked down the Azeri war fighting capability .This a sort of mea culpa i suppose . https://www.civilnet.am/news/2020/12/17/A-Look-at-the-Military-Lessons-of-the-Nagorno-Karabakh-Conflict/413551?fbclid=IwAR2yx76eXt5x43pcnBNu0jWekSNIa5nyx0tSRSu6H-y3UsXwSkQyqNVG4VU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I would have to say that there is a danger of all those analysis suffering from a "Desert Storm narrative*". Which will be seriously challenged when someone even remotely competent is on the other side. *That aviation has became so omnipotent that it can kill anything on ground w/o being stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Vegetation cover or lack of also matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) According to the article published by state news agency Azertac, Azerbaijani combat aircrafts (primarily Su-25) flew more than 600 sorties during the Second Karabakh War. A Su-25 was shot down on October 4. According to the pilots this was the only combat aircraft loss of Azerbaijan during the war. https://azertag.az/ru/xeber/Nepokorennyi_letchik___polkovnik_Zaur_Nudiraliev-1675493?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=5c6fb9622697240bc08117ebec79f1bfa6e9d02e-1609144970-0-AdreHJP9YkvxDbs9DhtAh5uLgB9_ZOATrYzCHUM1o0LF1jQsxLW4rofn0XBG8HSLaBA_k-28ooNhZ1Ty-pO5m43hGU7WzMlQwoNg6UW7hGE_RJtTryhTJ7lvz2AQd9hQYd5Ja0LmusnJAG-dwcgeh4w5Z6dlt0gNL7YjSpSjBrclhtpaDQhjZhXykowPyFC4s10xuc5IdfmDCIbRNI-hxoUB9TQmmm-rIBrbVVYAH_QCMZIPJ-0mck_52j-JtcmGDxrBcfew8vquuVlHkUCvmEzTCvJ-lIKcRBGcCF_XWSR66N2C1k9wddYFwv1IrUCWYy37_jC4W-hLcdE5IM7GrM3oHBQveh2_Fl7YAXOCL6pAMEWA2-UpFN7eBmXn2nRAY2JO9lEJVEH6-X7F1XPR8pA Su-25s also employed laser guided bombs, namely QFAB-250 LG (FAB-250 with Aselsan LGK, Laser Guidance Kit) Quote Им были выполнены первые пуски бомб с лазерным наведением с боевого самолета “Су-25”. Благодаря новой тактике мы получили огромное преимущество в боях”, - сказал Дж. Фараджев. "He carried out the first launches of laser-guided bombs from the Su-25 combat aircraft. Thanks to the new tactics, we got a huge advantage in the battles, ”J. Faradzhev said." Su-25 pilot with "LGK" (Laser Guidance Kit) patch from the Victory Parade. PS: Azerbaijani Su-25s (and Mig-29s) are also equipped with Talisman defence suite. Edited December 28, 2020 by AttilaA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Footage of Spike NLOS strikes from helicopters during the Second Karabakh War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Azerbaijan will increase its defence budget by 20% to $2.7 billion in 2021. $1.2 billion will be spent on "special defence projects", a budgetary item that was first added in 2011 and are the annual funds allocated to arms procurement and projects related to military infrastructure (mainly arms procurement). This is an increase of 30% from 2020. Edited December 28, 2020 by AttilaA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Quote The provision of the Azerbaijan Army Units stationed in liberated territories is being improved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) From the last days of the war, 2 HAROP loitering munitions destroying an Armenian T-72 and BMP-2. HAROP launcher at the Dec 10 Victory Parade. Edited December 31, 2020 by AttilaA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttilaA Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Spear MK2 Edited December 31, 2020 by AttilaA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Azeri tanks vs Armenian infantry at close range with the tanks throwing smoke screens and the infantry firing RPGs before retreating Edited January 3, 2021 by Daan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonable Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 The two RPGs didn’t seem to be close, or am I looking at something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Alymov Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Former Armenian Ambassador to the Vatican Mikael Minasyan claims that 26 days before the start of the last war in Nagorno-Karabakh, the Armenian authorities received a secret document from the CSTO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization), which contained a warning about the upcoming war, its nature, as well as a proposal to request the help of allies in a preventive mode. "For 26 days of before the war, the CSTO Secretary General Stanislav Zas sent a letter to the Secretary of security Council of Armenia Armen Grigoryan, which made the documents a proposal to hold military staff exercises of the CSTO. The scenario of the exercises described the war that Armenia should prepare for, and called for contacting the CSTO before the start of the war," Minasyan said. According to him, the letter stated that secret agent networks consisting of terrorists who were preparing to carry out information and military terrorist attacks during the war have been operating in Armenia since 2019. It was emphasized that since 2018, the military balance has been broken in favor of Azerbaijan, and positional concessions in Nakhichevan "have created strategic problems for the security of Armenia and Artsakh." "In the same document, it was described that Armenia has been losing the information and diplomatic war for two years and is waiting for a shameful defeat. In the same letter, it was written that taking into account all the problems, Armenia and Artsakh will fight against Azerbaijan and Turkey, and these two countries will attract terrorist mercenaries from Syria," Minasyan said, stressing that Nikol Pashinyan "knew what would happen." "The letter and the documents attached to it were a diplomatic warning that came true almost 99%. This was a direct message to the Armenian intelligence authorities-contact the CSTO, because this will happen, and you will not be able to cope with it," Minasyan said. Сбылись на 99%: почему Никол Пашинян проигнорировал предостережения ОДКБ? — Новости политики, Новости России — EADaily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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