Brexit

[Markus Becker]

Johnson has resigned. Its a pity, I was looking forward to seeing him sharing hair styling tips with President Trump.

Who says he isn't plotting to overthrow May? I wish him the best of luck because that would send the MSM even more over the edge. Trump - Johnson summit? That would be so great.

[Stuart Galbraith]

God spare this poor blighted island such an indignity.

 

 

The UK has a functioning government. How hard can it be to negotiate a trade deal with the EU in this? It's not like you're Belgian Congo trying to form a government after being dumped in dangerous alley by King Leopold.

 

Its like ive said before, and nobody quite takes this on board. Parliament is full of career politicians. They have never organized anything more complicated than a cappuccino in their lives. They dont have the skillset of the wartime generation, whom had to grapple with difficult problems. It was that generation that got us into the EEC, and they are all dead now. Im sure you have noticed the same problem in your own country. Problems are kicked into the long grass, for years, because they come under the 'potentially career ending' label. And they just, voluntarily, hung round their necks the most difficult task Britain has taken upon itself since negotiating their entry in the first place. As I thought at the time of the referendum, none of them are up to it.

 

Personally im astonished May has done as well as she has. I may have misgivings about the direction she is going in, or indeed her skill-set, but unlike Cameron at least she is not a quitter. I fundamentally respect that about her at least. The rest of her cabinet, with the exception of Williamson, not so much.

[Der Zeitgeist]

Relevant Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/1016336489960132610

[Stuart Galbraith]

I said several pages earlier, we are headed for a hard Brexit, even though both sides, for the most part, dont actually want one. The tragedy is the EU seems wholly unable to offer any bridges to avoid making it happen.

 

I will say to my dying day, this all could have been avoided if just a few politicians, on both sides of the Channel, had exercised some common sense. And even now refrain from doing so because it means taking a position that might make them unpopular.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[TonyE]

[Stuart Galbraith]

Tony, your meme requires this soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkM71JPHfjk

[rmgill]

Tony that's perfect.

[Marek Tucan]

 

Johnson has resigned. Its a pity, I was looking forward to seeing him sharing hair styling tips with President Trump.

Who says he isn't plotting to overthrow May? I wish him the best of luck because that would send the MSM even more over the edge. Trump - Johnson summit? That would be so great.

Not sure, there is chance the alien creatures posing as their hair would try to produce offspring.

 

In any case... Brexit is really poisoned fruit. I guess best case for May is snap elections hoping Corbyn would win and have to deal with it

[Josh]

It appears to me that the EU is intent on making the UK an example. If you want to leave the club, this is what happens to you. And quite honestly for their long term security, it is probably the right move - they can't just have members on the edge of leaving constantly; they have to make sure there are drastic consequences or it will be chaos. The UK is getting what it voted for.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

Johnson has resigned. Its a pity, I was looking forward to seeing him sharing hair styling tips with President Trump.

Who says he isn't plotting to overthrow May? I wish him the best of luck because that would send the MSM even more over the edge. Trump - Johnson summit? That would be so great.

Not sure, there is chance the alien creatures posing as their hair would try to produce offspring.

 

In any case... Brexit is really poisoned fruit. I guess best case for May is snap elections hoping Corbyn would win and have to deal with it

 

 

Trust me, the EU does not want Corbyn dealing with it. He would have to have a commons vote every time he went for a dump.

[Der Zeitgeist]

I said several pages earlier, we are headed for a hard Brexit, even though both sides, for the most part, dont actually want one.

 

I'll stay with my prediction from two years ago. In the end, a Brexit will not actually happen.

[Josh]

 

I said several pages earlier, we are headed for a hard Brexit, even though both sides, for the most part, dont actually want one.

I'll stay with my prediction from two years ago. In the end, a Brexit will not actually happen.

 

I don't see what mechanism could create that effect at this point, even though I think at the end of the day that's pretty much where most people are at now.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Oh it will happen. They will pull the ejection seat handle just to prove they can. Even Juncker, not the sharpest tool in the block in my humble opinion, has sussed that one. Where he goes wrong is by thinking playing chicken is going to pay dividend's. Good luck with that one.

 

Jonathan Pie once again proves eerily prescient.

 

[Adam Peter]

What they didnt calculate is that the transition of the country from the EU to outside the EU is going to cost the remains of British industry.

 

See how dumb Putin's plan comes to fruition: he elected a protectionist US government and a separatist UK government, and now watches how the Island is sinking!

[Adam Peter]

 

I said several pages earlier, we are headed for a hard Brexit, even though both sides, for the most part, dont actually want one.

 

I'll stay with my prediction from two years ago. In the end, a Brexit will not actually happen.

 

 

I'm second that. Europe became home for so many African/Asian refugees suffering from their government at home, I'm sure we won't allow it to happen at home.

 

I'm not so sure this will be speedy repair, but I hope Stuart will not become our correspondent of the nth Civil War.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

What they didnt calculate is that the transition of the country from the EU to outside the EU is going to cost the remains of British industry.

 

See how dumb Putin's plan comes to fruition: he elected a protectionist US government and a separatist UK government, and now watches how the Island is sinking!

 

 

And even on the brink of political disaster, we still play better football than Russia.

 

No, there wont be a civil war. You may see a collapse in industry, mass unemployment, a rise in the far right, and Britain's first Trotskyist Prime Minister. But first, some music.

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Marek Tucan]

It appears to me that the EU is intent on making the UK an example. If you want to leave the club, this is what happens to you. And quite honestly for their long term security, it is probably the right move - they can't just have members on the edge of leaving constantly; they have to make sure there are drastic consequences or it will be chaos. The UK is getting what it voted for.

How/what? This mess is UK's doing. The unrealistic demands are UK. Juncker's babbling no withstanding, Europe basically cannot offer anything but "nope" to demands that give nothing back. If you take not bending backwards as punishing...

[Stuart Galbraith]

Boris Johnson still waiting to leave his official residence after nearly 2 hours of waiting. I thinking he is emptying the drinks cabinet and stripping the paneling off the walls.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Panzermann]

 

Johnson has resigned. Its a pity, I was looking forward to seeing him sharing hair styling tips with President Trump.

Who says he isn't plotting to overthrow May? I wish him the best of luck because that would send the MSM even more over the edge. Trump - Johnson summit? That would be so great.

 

 

 

God spare this poor blighted island such an indignity.

 

 

 

 

 

Personally im astonished May has done as well as she has. I may have misgivings about the direction she is going in, or indeed her skill-set, but unlike Cameron at least she is not a quitter. I fundamentally respect that about her at least. The rest of her cabinet, with the exception of Williamson, not so much.

 

She is not, one has to give her that. I owuld have expected her to quit, becasue she did not want the poll iirc and certainly not the result.

But this dumpster fire was started because of internal Tory struggles not because anyone really cared about the future.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I think thats too narrow a perception. The EU has not been popular in the UK for decades. I mean look at yes minister, they were making jokes about it as long ago as the late 70's.

 

I mean, it started well. We applied ourselves fully are the start. Why did that change? Well partly patriotism. We alone had a different perspective on WW2 from the rest of Europe. Partly because of the perception the French and the West German's had it sewn up amongst themselves. Partly because we felt we were funding a bureaucracy we felt was entirely extraneous to our own. And nobody creates red tape like Whitehall, admirable though Brussels efforts were.

 

But in the end, I think it was the immigration crisis that was the final straw, and still the EU fails to get a grip on it, because it would mean decisively changing their policies. Yes, internal Conservative problems played their part, but I think Europeans are being disingenuous when they forget quite how long the UK fought to get in the EEC. It had an effect.If we had got in the EEC 10 years earlier than we did, and we asked to do so, we would have seem greater benefits, before we started paying for the privileges.

 

And that I think in the end was the clincher. We entered as the sick man of Europe, and who at that point wanted to treat us as an equal partner? It was the same perspective as the EU now looks down on Greece.

 

 

I blame De Gaulle.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Soren Ras]

 

. But first, some music.

 

 

Needs more cowbell...

 

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Soren

[seahawk]

I think thats too narrow a perception. The EU has not been popular in the UK for decades. I mean look at yes minister, they were making jokes about it as long ago as the late 70's.

 

I mean, it started well. We applied ourselves fully are the start. Why did that change? Well partly patriotism. We alone had a different perspective on WW2 from the rest of Europe. Partly because of the perception the French and the West German's had it sewn up amongst themselves. Partly because we felt we were funding a bureaucracy we felt was entirely extraneous to our own. And nobody creates red tape like Whitehall, admirable though Brussels efforts were.

 

But in the end, I think it was the immigration crisis that was the final straw, and still the EU fails to get a grip on it, because it would mean decisively changing their policies. Yes, internal Conservative problems played their part, but I think Europeans are being disingenuous when they forget quite how long the UK fought to get in the EEC. It had an effect.If we had got in the EEC 10 years earlier than we did, and we asked to do so, we would have seem greater benefits, before we started paying for the privileges.

 

And that I think in the end was the clincher. We entered as the sick man of Europe, and who at that point wanted to treat us as an equal partner? It was the same perspective as the EU now looks down on Greece.

 

 

I blame De Gaulle.

 

Well, if you mean immigration within the EU then the was your fault alone. When the Eastern Europeans were allowed in France/Germany and others wanted to limit the freedom of movement from those countries for a long period, the UK was strongly against it. Even when the reduced compromise was reached the UK decided to make no use of it.

[Rickard N]

Needs more cowbell...

 

 

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Soren

 

hehehe

 

/R

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

I think thats too narrow a perception. The EU has not been popular in the UK for decades. I mean look at yes minister, they were making jokes about it as long ago as the late 70's.

 

I mean, it started well. We applied ourselves fully are the start. Why did that change? Well partly patriotism. We alone had a different perspective on WW2 from the rest of Europe. Partly because of the perception the French and the West German's had it sewn up amongst themselves. Partly because we felt we were funding a bureaucracy we felt was entirely extraneous to our own. And nobody creates red tape like Whitehall, admirable though Brussels efforts were.

 

But in the end, I think it was the immigration crisis that was the final straw, and still the EU fails to get a grip on it, because it would mean decisively changing their policies. Yes, internal Conservative problems played their part, but I think Europeans are being disingenuous when they forget quite how long the UK fought to get in the EEC. It had an effect.If we had got in the EEC 10 years earlier than we did, and we asked to do so, we would have seem greater benefits, before we started paying for the privileges.

 

And that I think in the end was the clincher. We entered as the sick man of Europe, and who at that point wanted to treat us as an equal partner? It was the same perspective as the EU now looks down on Greece.

 

 

I blame De Gaulle.

 

Well, if you mean immigration within the EU then the was your fault alone. When the Eastern Europeans were allowed in France/Germany and others wanted to limit the freedom of movement from those countries for a long period, the UK was strongly against it. Even when the reduced compromise was reached the UK decided to make no use of it.

 

 

Well I can only say, please explain sangatte to me. And tell me why the British people wouldnt have seen what was an apparent collapse in European Immigration rules, and not feel the need to take action?

 

Everyone loves to point to the British as being solely responsible for this mess. Europe needs to take a very hard look at itself and fess up that it is at least partly responsible for this fiasco. But it wont.

[Leo Niehorster]

Aah, but it is UK who is leaving the EU, not the EU who is leaving the UK.

And the UK who all along was trying to get a better deal than the rest of the members.

When it didn't get its way, it decided to pick up the marbles and leave the game, and blame it on the EU.

Unfortunately, many of the marbles are only available as a member of the EU.

So now it is once again whining that it wants a better deal, with all the perks but none of the obligations.