Brexit

[Chris Werb]

I'd love to see Rees-Mogg become leader of the Conservative party for three reasons.

 

1. You know where you are with him. Typically somewhere in the late 18th or early 19th Century, or early episodes of Blake's 7.

 

2. Having the two main political parties in the UK elect unelectable leaders will level the playing field, making it less likely the Tories will retain power.

 

3. Having him lead Scotland via the UK would further increase pressure for another independence referendum, leading to Scotland having the chance of a government acceptable to its population and a future within Europe.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

3. Having him lead Scotland via the UK would further increase pressure for another independence referendum, leading to Scotland having the chance of a government acceptable to its population and a future within Europe.

 

Oh no Chris, not you as well.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

I've seen the arguments that Daniel Hannan and Jacob Rees-Mogg use in favor of the exit from the Eurozone.

 

Why is Jacob Rees-Mogg so set on staying a back bencher? Why isn't Daniel Hannan working towards an MP position and then the position as PM?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QatqETkqnxY

 

As others have said, they are probably waiting their turn. They calculate that the PM will get a deal nobody will be happy with (well whatever she gets, its going to upset SOMEBODY) and when the blood is in the water, circle for the kill. Its worth remembering in British politics, the one who puts the knife in, is seldom to become the PM. Witness what happened to Michael Heseltine. Its usually the one stood behind the knife bearer with the clean hands that gets the seat. So in my view, likely JRM is just circling for someone to make the first bite. Then in true House of Cards (or game of thrones) style, he will displace them. The old order will be restored.

[Chris Werb]

 

 

 

3. Having him lead Scotland via the UK would further increase pressure for another independence referendum, leading to Scotland having the chance of a government acceptable to its population and a future within Europe.

Oh no Chris, not you as well.

 

Gotcha!!!! 😁😁😁

[Stuart Galbraith]

I give in, im joining the plant people. Build a wall, make Britain great again. Sigh.

[toysoldier]

I give in, im joining the plant people. Build a Rebuild the Wall, make Britain great again. Sigh.

 

FIFY.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Make America Great Britain again?

[rmgill]

I'd love to see Rees-Mogg become leader of the Conservative party for three reasons.

 

1. You know where you are with him. Typically somewhere in the late 18th or early 19th Century, or early episodes of Blake's 7.

 

Probably better than being 1930s Russia or 2018 Venezuela.

 

 

And if you were in an early episode of Blake's 7, you'd have a British Space program again. Even if you didn't know what half the stuff did.

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Edited June 24, 2018 by rmgill

[rmgill]

 

As others have said, they are probably waiting their turn. They calculate that the PM will get a deal nobody will be happy with (well whatever she gets, its going to upset SOMEBODY) and when the blood is in the water, circle for the kill. Its worth remembering in British politics, the one who puts the knife in, is seldom to become the PM.

Well, that's probably why Farange stepped back then. May is the party's sacrifice.

[Marek Tucan]

Farage was and is immaterial for Tory politics and backstabbing. I think his departure had more to do with having to walk the walk. I do not think he was ready for the option of Brexit winning.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Whether you are talking about Farage, the Conservatives, UKIP, Insurance salesman wideboys whom financed it all, the only thing they have in common is how they are going to make it work.

I swear its just like the underpant gnomes in South park its like,

 

1 Collect Underpants.

2-

3 Success!

 

Im with them on the part 3, but filling in the part 2 would be really welcome at this juncture.

[Ssnake]

Yeah, yeah - but we're still in phase one.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Well, our lot seem to have moved onto phase 2. Now all they have to do is decide what phase 2 is, and you will all be at our mercy.

[TonyE]

Davis Davis is gone!

[JasonJ]

Steve Baker and Suella Braverman too.

 

Breenter?

Edited July 9, 2018 by JasonJ

[Leo Niehorster]

In or out: only if the Brits get to pick out their own raisins, as well as have their cake and eat it, too.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Davis Davis is gone!

 

Thats Dangerous Davies. Not to worry, im sure he will be back with a few friends to search for the perfect Brexit deal...

[Panzermann]

In or out: only if the Brits get to pick out their own raisins, as well as have their cake and eat it, too.

yeah. last proposals from london read like the want the EU without EU and Brexit without Brexit.

 

The cabinet has reached a "collective" agreement on the basis of the UK's future relationship with the EU after Brexit, Theresa May has said.

Ministers have signed up to a plan to create a free trade area for industrial and agricultural goods with the bloc, based on a "common rule book".

They also supported what could amount to a "combined customs territory".

The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg said the plan, agreed after a 12-hour meeting, would "anger many Tory Brexiteers".

Our political editor said the prime minister had "picked a side" by opting for a closer relationship with the EU than many colleagues desired - and she now had to sell it to her party and the other European leaders.

No 10, she added, hoped the new commitments would unlock the next phase of talks with the rest of the EU but it was not yet clear how many, or what kind, of objections were raised.

Downing Street said the proposals marked a "substantial evolution" in the UK's position and would resolve outstanding concerns about the future of the border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic.

"This is a proposal that I believe will be good for the UK and good for the EU, and I look forward to it being received positively," Mrs May told the BBC.

One pro-Brexit cabinet minister told the BBC there was "no point" pushing for a vote as "we were well and truly outnumbered by 20 to seven".

 

(...)

 

The main details of the Chequers statement are as follows:

• The UK would accept continuing "harmonisation" with EU rules on the trade in goods, covering only those necessary to ensure frictionless trade
• Parliament would have the final say over how these rules are incorporated into UK law, retaining the right to refuse to do so
• There will be different arrangements for trade in services, including financial products, with greater "regulatory flexibility" and "strong reciprocal arrangements"
• Freedom of movement as it stands will come to an end but a "mobility framework" will ensure UK and EU citizens can continue to travel to each other's territories and apply for study and work
• A new customs arrangement will be phased in, with the goal of "a combined customs territory"
• The UK will be able to control its own tariffs and develop an independent trade policy
• The jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice will end but the UK will pay regard to its decisions in areas where common rules were in force.

Mrs May said this was an "important step" in the process of negotiating the UK's smooth exit from the EU.

 

(...)

 

Shadow international trade secretary Barry Gardiner said there was "a danger that this is a lowest common denominator plan" designed to hold the cabinet together, rather than "secure the strong negotiating position that we need with the EU".

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Once upon a time we were told 'Brexit means Brexit', now we are told it means maintaining a common rulebook for all goods, a joint institutional framework for interpreting the agreement and the UK and EU forming this combined customs territory.

"That looks very much like regulatory alignment, the ECJ (European Court of Justice) and half a customs union to me."

 

(...)

 

And Sir Vince Cable, leader of the Liberal Democrats, said it could be the case that "Brexiteers have signed up to it knowing perfectly well that it is not going to pass the European Union and they'll then be able to blame Europe for the fact that it won't work".

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44747444

 

 

olde english tradition to blame yurrop

Edited July 9, 2018 by Panzermann

[Stuart Galbraith]

There you go. I knew you fellas would understand.

 

She is facing an increasing factious grouping of back benchers who feel sold out. That they cannot deliver anything like they promised the public has little to do with it.

[Panzermann]

There you go. I knew you fellas would understand.

 

She is facing an increasing factious grouping of back benchers who feel sold out. That they cannot deliver anything like they promised the public has little to do with it.

Yes. really awesome to fuck over your country for short term inside the Tories political gains.

 

btw, what about Ireland? Hard Brexit means that the Good Friday Agreement is void effectively and a real border with controls and everything is to be erected.

The Troubes 2: Trouble Harder are then on the table.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Panzermann

[Panzermann]

slide showing which example relationships between EU and non-members are ruled out by the red lines from London

 

 

Edith says that they should have put bestest Korea in to really drive the point home.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Panzermann

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

There you go. I knew you fellas would understand.

 

She is facing an increasing factious grouping of back benchers who feel sold out. That they cannot deliver anything like they promised the public has little to do with it.

Yes. really awesome to fuck over your country for short term inside the Tories political gains.

 

btw, what about Ireland? Hard Brexit means that the Good Friday Agreement is void effectively and a real border with controls and everything is to be erected.

The Troubes 2: Trouble Harder are then on the table.

 

 

Lets be fair to the right wing Tories, they did what they felt was right for the country. I too must confess I have grave misgivings about where the EU is going or how it functions. Its as big as a mess as the Brexiteers say it is, and I dont fault them on that. What they didnt calculate is that the transition of the country from the EU to outside the EU is going to cost the remains of British industry. It does no good to say 'We cant have this deal or we will alienate all those whom voted for Brexit'. Being unemployed tends to alienate the electorate as well.

 

Ireland didnt come up into the Brexit debate. There was going to wonders of trade and lilac tinged unicorn farts. Difficult issues to grasp didnt come into it. In fact, as one of the more malign actors in this has added, they didnt worry too much about facts as long as they got the result they wanted. Im not suggesting they ALL felt like that, but clearly the ones with the money did, and again in fairness, were completely open about it when questioned in a Commons Select Committee about it.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Johnson has resigned. Its a pity, I was looking forward to seeing him sharing hair styling tips with President Trump.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Der Zeitgeist]

[rmgill]

The UK has a functioning government. How hard can it be to negotiate a trade deal with the EU in this? It's not like you're Belgian Congo trying to form a government after being dumped in dangerous alley by King Leopold.