Brexit

[toysoldier]

 

You gotta nuke Doggerland to really, really detach...

Serves the Doggerlanders right! There's something fishy about them. Frankly, I can't recall ever meeting a sympathetic Doggerlander. Besides, if they're so great, how come they let their country be swallowed up by the waves? And of course, "it's the only way to be sure"....

 

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Soren

 

 

They are in fact a slimy lot, and i'm told nothing is beneath them.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Make Doggerland Great Again!

[Stuart Galbraith]

SNP try to launch a coup. Well, kinda.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44467306

 

SNP MPs have walked out en masse from Prime Minister's Questions after their Westminster leader was thrown out of the chamber in a row with the Speaker.

Ian Blackford refused to sit down when ordered to by John Bercow having asked for the Commons to sit in private.

This was in protest at a lack of debate on what he said was a "power grab" in the EU Withdrawal Bill.

It brought PMQs to a temporary halt as the Speaker consulted his officials on what to do next.

Mr Bercow said MPs could vote on the request for a private sitting at the end of PMQs - but when Mr Blackford refused to sit back down he was suspended for the rest of the day's sitting.

His fellow SNP MPs followed him out of the chamber.

 

How it unfolded

The episode took place during the weekly Prime Minister's Questions session after Mr Blackford said it was a "democratic outrage" that MPs had not been given enough time to debate measures he described as a "power grab" by Westminster from Scotland.

He added: "Under the circumstances, given the disrespect that's shown, I have got no option but to ask that this House now sits in private."

Mr Bercow said it was better for a vote on his request to take place at the end of the session - but the SNP MP did not agree, rejecting repeated orders from the Speaker to resume his seat.

The next MP to be called for a question was Conservative MP Luke Hall, who joked: "With the amount of people leaving, it feels like one of my after-dinner speeches."

Speaking afterwards, Mr Blackford told the BBC's Daily Politics his party would "use Parliamentary procedures to best effect" to protest against what he said was devolution being "ripped up" as powers are repatriated from Brussels.

His suspension from the Commons means he is unable to take part in the second day of debate on the EU Withdrawal Bill.

Why 'sitting in private'?

Parliament retains the right to hold debates in private and any MP can propose that members of the public and press be removed from the galleries at any time.

If such a proposal is made, the Commons Speaker must put the motion "That this House sit in private" to a vote without debate.

But the procedure is seldom successful - attempts to exclude members of the public are usually deployed as a device to disrupt or delay the House's proceedings.

MPs used to call out "I spy strangers" to invoke this procedure, but this phrase was replaced with the current wording in 1998.

What is the Brexit powers row all about?

The EU Withdrawal Bill is a key plank of the government's Brexit strategy, aiming to ensure a smooth transition on Brexit day when EU law no applies in the UK.

But the Scottish Parliament has refused to give its consent to the legislation, saying policy in devolved areas that is currently decided in Brussels is being reclaimed by Westminster.

The bill is currently making its way through Parliament - and although devolution was to be debated in the second half of Tuesday's session, there were only a few minutes left for this after voting on amendments went on for almost three hours.

The Brexit bill says that the "vast majority" of the 158 areas where policy in devolved areas is currently decided in Brussels will go directly to the Scottish and Welsh parliaments after Brexit.

But it has also named 24 areas where it wants to retain power temporarily in the wake of Britain's exit from the EU, including in areas such as agriculture, fisheries, food labelling and public procurement.

It says the "temporary restriction" on the devolved governments using some of the powers returning from the EU is needed "to help ensure an orderly departure from EU law" and allow the same rule and regulations to remain in place across the whole of the UK.

But the Scottish government argues that it would leave Holyrood unable to pass laws in some devolved areas for up to seven years.

It has produced its own alternative Brexit legislation, which was passed by MSPs in March but is currently subject to a legal challenge by the UK government.

[toysoldier]

The walked out huh. Worry when they walk back in... wearing face paint

[Stuart Galbraith]

They will just have to hand out longbows to the commons staff, and try and hold them off till reinforcements arrive I guess.

 

Seems to be some disgruntlement over the vote last night among Conservative back benchers. I think they believe they were promised something they didnt get. Well its the house of commons, of course they were, duh.

[EchoFiveMike]

Any you folks any closer to leaving yet? Seems like an awful lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. S/F....Ken M

[Stuart Galbraith]

Its like what I said before this car crash started. We lack the well educated political class that can manage problem's, that is as skilled as the people who, rightly or wrongly, got us into the EEC in the first place.

 

That generation of Politicians, many of whom had experience of managing complex problems in the war, is all dead. All they have left is a bunch of stuffed dummies whom can generate the right soundbite to get voted for, facing of a bunch of Bureaucrats whose entire estate depends on not departing from agreed terms an inch. The kind of people whom would ask for the correct form before servicing your ducts I guess.

 

The ineffable meeting the inflexible in other words.

Edited June 15, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44570931

 

Airbus has warned it could leave the UK if the country exits the European Union single market and customs union without a transition deal.

The European planemaker said the warning was not part of "project fear, but its "dawning reality".

Airbus employs about 14,000 people at 25 different sites in the UK.

Last week, the outgoing president of the CBI said sections of UK industry faced extinction unless the UK stayed in the EU customs union.

It brings together the EU's 28 members in a duty-free area, with a common import tariff for non-EU goods.

Prime Minister Theresa May has ruled out staying in the customs union. The UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019.

Special partnership

The UK government is considering two other options: a customs partnership that would remove the need for new customs checks at the border; and a "highly streamlined" customs arrangement that would minimise customs checks rather than getting rid of them altogether.

Michel Barnier, the EU's Brexit negotiator, has said that both options are unrealistic.

A spokesperson for the UK government said: "We have made significant progress towards agreeing a deep and special partnership with the EU to ensure trade remains as free and frictionless as possible, including in the aerospace sector, and we're confident of getting a good deal that is mutually beneficial.

"Given the good progress that we are continuing to make in the negotiations, we do not expect a no-deal scenario to arise."

A Welsh government spokesperson said the Airbus announcement was "extremely worrying".

"We have repeatedly warned that the UK cannot take the huge economic risk of cutting ourselves adrift from the single market and customs union. Particularly in the case of manufacturing sectors, which in Wales are so important in providing high-paid, high-skilled jobs."

Severe disruption

In its Brexit "risk assessment" published on Thursday, Airbus said if the UK left the EU next year without a deal - meaning it left both the single market and customs union immediately and without any agreed transition - it would "lead to severe disruption and interruption of UK production".

"This scenario would force Airbus to reconsider its investments in the UK, and its long-term footprint in the country," it added.

The company, which makes wings for the A320, A330/A340, A350 and A380 passenger planes in the UK, also said the current planned transition period, due to end in December 2020, was too short for it to make changes to its supply chain.

As a result, it would "refrain from extending" its UK supplier base. It said it currently had more than 4,000 suppliers in the UK.

 

Tom Williams, chief operating officer of Airbus Commercial Aircraft, said in "any scenario", Brexit had "severe negative consequences" for the UK aerospace industry and Airbus in particular.

Without a deal, he said Airbus believed the impact on its UK operations could be "significant".

"Put simply, a no-deal scenario directly threatens Airbus' future in the UK."

Mr Williams told the BBC's Today programme that Airbus was currently working on developing the "next generation" of aircraft wings in the UK.

"We are seriously considering whether we should continue that development or whether we should find alternative solutions," he added.

 

Conservative MP Stephen Crabb said the warning from Airbus should be a "wake-up call".

Mr Crabb tweeted: "The enormous Airbus factory in North Wales is one of the jewels in the crown of UK manufacturing. This is a wake-up call. A pragmatic, sensible Brexit that protects trade & jobs is vital."

And shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer tweeted: "If proof was needed that the PM's Brexit red lines need to be abandoned (and fast), this is it."

Edited June 22, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

[Panzermann]

Its like what I said before this car crash started. We lack the well educated political class that can manage problem's, that is as skilled as the people who, rightly or wrongly, got us into the EEC in the first place.

 

That generation of Politicians, many of whom had experience of managing complex problems in the war, is all dead. All they have left is a bunch of stuffed dummies whom can generate the right soundbite to get voted for, facing of a bunch of Bureaucrats whose entire estate depends on not departing from agreed terms an inch. The kind of people whom would ask for the correct form before servicing your ducts I guess.

 

The ineffable meeting the inflexible in other words.

 

in Farage's words

 

 

 

though he only talks about EU and the €uro

Edited June 22, 2018 by Panzermann

[Chris Werb]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44582831

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

Its like what I said before this car crash started. We lack the well educated political class that can manage problem's, that is as skilled as the people who, rightly or wrongly, got us into the EEC in the first place.

 

That generation of Politicians, many of whom had experience of managing complex problems in the war, is all dead. All they have left is a bunch of stuffed dummies whom can generate the right soundbite to get voted for, facing of a bunch of Bureaucrats whose entire estate depends on not departing from agreed terms an inch. The kind of people whom would ask for the correct form before servicing your ducts I guess.

 

The ineffable meeting the inflexible in other words.

 

in Farage's words

 

 

 

though he only talks about EU and the €uro

 

 

Where about is the bit about Robinson? I cant bear to wade through all that to hear what he says.

 

I cant remember if I posted this or not, this is Arron Banks being grilled by the commons select committee over his alleged Russian links. Banks it will be remembered gave something like a million to the leave campaign. Personally I think he is innocent of the Russian connection claims, but you may find it interesting his views on lying to the British people to get what he wants. IE, he is a salesman, and its not really his problem if they believe him, as long as he achieves his end.

 

Edited June 22, 2018 by Stuart Galbraith

[Panzermann]

Where about is the bit about Robinson? I cant bear to wade through all that to hear what he says.

 

 

Nowhere. it is just in the title. Maybe it was planned, but pointing at the lack of leadership from the current British politicians took most the time. Also Farage telling from his great times as a big banker. His main point is, that there is no leadership from May and Johnson.

 

edit: or ITV is just click-bating. Although farage and Brexit should be enough. Heck I clicked it, when it was proposed to me on the rightside column.

Edited June 22, 2018 by Panzermann

[Stuart Galbraith]

Ok fair enough, I can safely avoid it then.

 

He is right about leadership in fairness. In fact, the Labour party position is getting increasingly untenable too. Corbyn's position has supposedly been pro union, ie, you cant nationalize without getting rid of all those European rules. The fly in the ointment of course is that not being pro Europe is now possibly going to cost upwards of 14000 jobs. Oops.

 

Do try and wade through that video I posted though. You will be struck by what slippery shits there are meddling in British politics at the moment. Well, perhaps you wont.

[Panzermann]

Ok fair enough, I can safely avoid it then.

 

He is right about leadership in fairness. In fact, the Labour party position is getting increasingly untenable too. Corbyn's position has supposedly been pro union, ie, you cant nationalize without getting rid of all those European rules. The fly in the ointment of course is that not being pro Europe is now possibly going to cost upwards of 14000 jobs. Oops.

 

Yeah, he bashes Corbyn and labour of course. Well they all make it easy at the moment.

Really, you two agree for the most part. Scary.

 

Do try and wade through that video I posted though. You will be struck by what slippery shits there are meddling in British politics at the moment. Well, perhaps you wont.

 

Watching Spitting image on SSVC as a child formed my opinion on British politicians.

Edited June 22, 2018 by Panzermann

[Stuart Galbraith]

'Farage, I am your Father!'

'Nooooooooo!'

 

 

There is a distinct lack of political satire at the moment. You see what happens when we start treating our politicians with respect and listen to what they say.

[Chris Werb]

I do think our politicians understand the difference between an island and a floating raft though.

[Marek Tucan]

Dunno, I find it ironic if a main Brexit guy who bailed out after winning the Brexit vote is the right guy to criticize lack of leadership

[Stuart Galbraith]

We had a prime minister who resigned despite promising to wait around to finish the process, whatever the result, despite never really having to have a referendum in the first place.

 

We had a referendum leader who seems incapable of actually showing any leadership of the Brexit he wants, only the Brexit he doesn't want.

 

The second most important member of the leave campaign only a decade before was actually a Europhile saying the EU was dragging its feet not admitting Turkey.

 

We had a Brexit party so unpopular with the British electorate, I believe it only ever won one seat in the British Parliament. In fact it had far greater success in the European Parliament it wanted to leave.

 

The entire campaign was all financed by wide boys and spivs and insurance underwriters (im not sure whats worse) that freely admit they were perfectly in their rights to lie to get the Brexit they wanted.

 

The only person whom comes out of it vaguely well is Theresa May, who stuck around to try and make it happen. And she single handedly made a near impossible job even more difficult by having an election, and is hated by pretty much all the schemers in her own party.

 

 

Future generation's will be struck by a popular movement created by so many unpopular people. Its surely a world first.

[Chris Werb]

Dunno, I find it ironic if a main Brexit guy who bailed out after winning the Brexit vote is the right guy to criticize lack of leadership

This 👍👍👍👍

[Stuart Galbraith]

Boris Johnson doesnt want a 'Bog Roll Brexit'.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-says-britain-wont-stand-for-a-soft-bog-roll-brexit-a3870206.html

 

Meanwhile, 100000 take to London streets calling for a new referendum on term's of EU departure.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-london-protest-march-second-eu-referendum-saturday-latest-vote-a8413286.html

[rmgill]

I've seen the arguments that Daniel Hannan and Jacob Rees-Mogg use in favor of the exit from the Eurozone.

 

Why is Jacob Rees-Mogg so set on staying a back bencher? Why isn't Daniel Hannan working towards an MP position and then the position as PM?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QatqETkqnxY

[rmgill]

Meanwhile, 100000 take to London streets calling for a new referendum on term's of EU departure.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-london-protest-march-second-eu-referendum-saturday-latest-vote-a8413286.html

 

'We didn't like the way democracy worked last time, we want a do over.'

 

When is the final vote the final vote?

[Stuart Galbraith]

Its not quite that simple. Whilst its perfectly true SOME of those people want a second vote, the vast majority would appear to want a say on any new deal that is agreed. I mean, we were all asked 'would you like to leave the Europe Union?' but there was no suffix question 'would you like to leave completely, stay in the trade zone, maintain no/some/all trade ties?'.

 

It was billed as a simple in out equation, but it never was. Hence the increasing disparity in the government between those wanting complete separation and damn the consequences to industry, and those whom want to put the economic well being of the country first.

[Panzermann]

We had a prime minister who resigned despite promising to wait around to finish the process, whatever the result, despite never really having to have a referendum in the first place.

 

We had a referendum leader who seems incapable of actually showing any leadership of the Brexit he wants, only the Brexit he doesn't want.

 

The second most important member of the leave campaign only a decade before was actually a Europhile saying the EU was dragging its feet not admitting Turkey.

 

We had a Brexit party so unpopular with the British electorate, I believe it only ever won one seat in the British Parliament. In fact it had far greater success in the European Parliament it wanted to leave.

 

The entire campaign was all financed by wide boys and spivs and insurance underwriters (im not sure whats worse) that freely admit they were perfectly in their rights to lie to get the Brexit they wanted.

 

The only person whom comes out of it vaguely well is Theresa May, who stuck around to try and make it happen. And she single handedly made a near impossible job even more difficult by having an election, and is hated by pretty much all the schemers in her own party.

 

 

Future generation's will be struck by a popular movement created by so many unpopular people. Its surely a world first.

 

One has to give May that she goes through with it despite the circumstances and having been a remainer.

 

Who else could take over, if she moved out of 10 Downing St? Boris Johnson, who as you say used to be pro EU and pro Turkey membership and then transmogrified into one of the loudest Brexiteers? I doubt. May is kind of the only one left.

 

Others seem to keep their heads down, maybe waiting for May to stumble?

 

 

 

 

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Dunno, I find it ironic if a main Brexit guy who bailed out after winning the Brexit vote is the right guy to criticize lack of leadership

This

 

 

Of course there is an irony to it, but isn't it said to leave when its best? For him personally it was the best move to leave when at his peak.

 

And commenting from the sidelines is always easier, too. Not that Farage would have had much power in the matter of actually carrying out Bexit. There is no chance for a Prime Minister Farage sadly. Sparing him the consequences.