Ssnake Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 Drop laser-guided sharks, then.Passe. Air dropped crocodiles are the real killer. Now, that was just silly.
Mr King Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 I'm sick and tired of moments of silence, ad hoc memorials of flowers and candles, and meaningless words from politicians about "standing frim together" and "we're in a war". I'm tired of useless gestures that aren't backed up by resolve and action. I've seen little to nothing that tells me that anyone is serious about doing anything but placating the masses to get past the next election. A few dozen dead citizens from time to time is a hell of a lot easier to deal with than being serious about ending this scourge on civilization. Will the last person in Western Civilization please turn the light out when you leave. Might as well get used to it. The war on terror was declared over. Some folks decided having scores of their fellow citizens die on regular basis was easier to swallow politically, and from their point of view, those fellow citizens have it coming for all the collective guilt they share as westerners.
rmgill Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Drop laser-guided sharks, then.Passe. Air dropped crocodiles are the real killer. Now, that was just silly. Just needs good rigging. I'm sure a C-5 and some froggy Load Masters could work up a good way...
Marek Tucan Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 A police raid apparently foils an attack plot in Paris. France says it foils advanced attack plot: minister A French national suspected of belonging to a militant network planning an attack in France was arrested on Thursday morning, French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said. The arrest helped "foil a plot in France that was at an advanced stage," Cazeneuve said on Thursday night in a televised address from his ministry. "The individual questioned, a French national, is suspected of high-level involvement in this plan. He was part of a terrorist network that planned to strike France," Cazeneuve said. Following the arrest by the French counterterrorism service, DGSI, the agency carried out a raid on Thursday night at an apartment building in Argenteuil, a suburb in northern Paris, he said. "At this stage, there is no tangible evidence that links this plot to the attacks in Paris and Brussels," said Cazeneuve, who was in the Belgian capital earlier on Thursday. French radio station France Info reported that the man had been sentenced in Belgium for belonging to a jihadist network. French TV station ITele reported that explosives had been found in the man's house. The arrest came two days after suicide bombers hit the Brussels airport and a metro train, killing at least 31 people and wounding some 270 in the worst such attack in Belgian history. In November, 130 people were killed in Paris in coordinated attacks on cafes, a sports stadium and a concert hall. The Islamic State militant group has claimed responsibility for both the Paris and Brussels attacks. (Reporting by Miriam Rivet, Geert De Clercq and John Irish; Editing by Sandra Maler and Peter Cooney) LINK
DADI Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 At a memorial to the victims in Brussels, someone doesn't like a particular flag. Something, something, poor, and uneducated. https://vid.me/e/jQBtWhile joining Daesh in Syria, through Turkey of course, our Palestinian brothers push the counter theory that Daesh was created by the Jews...+ Daesh were bold enough to publish that they don't care about Palestine, as they focus on eliminating the infidels. OTOH - that woman is just following the direct orders of the Prophet - As mentioned in the holy Quran:Oh believers, do not trust the Christians or the Jews, because they are only friends of each other... A Muslim can not live under a cross - in every aspect. It's the law of the Prophet.
DADI Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) At a memorial to the victims in Brussels, someone doesn't like a particular flag. Something, something, poor, and uneducated. https://vid.me/e/jQBt While joining Daesh in Syria, through Turkey of course, our Palestinian brothers push the counter theory that Daesh was created by the Jews...+ Daesh were bold enough to publish that they don't care about Palestine, as they focus on killing the infidels. OTOH - that woman is just following the direct orders of the Prophet - As mentioned in the holy Quran:Oh believers, do not trust the Christians or the Jews, because they are only friends of each other... A Muslim can not live under a cross - in every aspect. It's the law of the Prophet. No surprise for the indifference of the crowd.... Edited March 25, 2016 by DADI
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Drop laser-guided sharks, then.Passe. Air dropped crocodiles are the real killer. Now, that was just silly. Not a Red Dwarf fan then? Drop laser-guided sharks, then.Passe. Air dropped crocodiles are the real killer. Now, that was just silly. Just needs good rigging. I'm sure a C-5 and some froggy Load Masters could work up a good way...
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) I'm sick and tired of moments of silence, ad hoc memorials of flowers and candles, and meaningless words from politicians about "standing frim together" and "we're in a war". I'm tired of useless gestures that aren't backed up by resolve and action. I've seen little to nothing that tells me that anyone is serious about doing anything but placating the masses to get past the next election. A few dozen dead citizens from time to time is a hell of a lot easier to deal with than being serious about ending this scourge on civilization. Will the last person in Western Civilization please turn the light out when you leave. Might as well get used to it. The war on terror was declared over. Some folks decided having scores of their fellow citizens die on regular basis was easier to swallow politically, and from their point of view, those fellow citizens have it coming for all the collective guilt they share as westerners. Well every box has been ticked. We have Invaded the middle east to impose peace several times and it looks even more unstable every time we leave. Helped the locals overthrow tyrants, and they seem more tyrannical than the people they replace. Keep Tyrants in place which makes them hate us even more. Done nothing at all which makes the tyrants and the people would overthrow them even more hating of us. Call for peace, which makes everyone laugh at us. At this moment, even if you could turn the entire middle east into some happy clappy REM video, it would still do nothing to help the islamic communities in the West who seem to have carried the contagion with them. Im all for carrying on the war on terror, im just not sure we actually know where it is anymore. Edited March 25, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Incisive as ever Simon. You could kill ever last member of ISIS stone dead twice over, and still have an Islamic terrorist problem in Europe. First it was the PLO, or those supported by Saddam that stormed princes gate. Then it was the Libyans. Then it was Al Qaeda. Now its ISIS. We are all getting hung up on Syria, and overlooking that no matter what the organisation is called, you kill them off, the same problem metastasises around another group with near identical ideals. And so on and so on. Even Israel hasn't got a lid on the problem. The best its been able to do is build a wall around it. Try doing that in down-town Brussels. im all for imposing peace on the middle east and treating it as an armed camp to keep a lid on it. But I dont kid myself any Western nation is going to sign up for that, or even if we did that it would somehow magically create peace in Islamic communities in Europe. The problem has moved on from the middle east, so somehow pretending if we get that right and magically everything will fall into place is the real rubbish here. Putin the peacemaker? Yeah right. Forcible repatriation? Sure. Try making that work. The EU has already got legislation to deport refugees, and predictably it fell at the first hurdle. The Greeks understandably dont want to be painted as culpable.
DADI Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Oh, but there is a simple solution (sadly one exposing gals to punishment of death by stone for blinking) that will ensure peace.A solutionthat is written, but people seem not wanting to see: Just like the woman in that video in Brussels. She is acting violently in front of 1000 blind Belgians...
Simon Tan Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 You cannot even define the source. Daesh is a symptom. Fail.
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) Oh, but there is a simple solution (sadly one exposing gals to punishment of death by stone for blinking) that will ensure peace.A solutionthat is written, but people seem not wanting to see: Just like the woman in that video in Brussels. She is acting violently in front of 1000 blind Belgians... You want to lock all those up, fine, Ive no issue with that. The problem is the real issue is not the ones carrying signs and being a pain in the arse in public. The real problem is the ones who seem nice, adjusted middle class boys who suddenly become suicide bombers, because we have had more than a few in the UK of that sort. You cannot even define the source. Daesh is a symptom. Fail.Simon, you will forgive me for pointing out thats precisely what ive been saying. The franchise name doesnt matter, its the jihadist creed that is the issue. So tell me, why does someone have to be in syria to be a jihadist, because I can tell you we have done a bang up job of breeding the next generation in the West. Symptom? Damn right. And the cause is fascism in the middle east which has been ingrained for several generations. So how do you solve that other than turning it into an armed camp and reeducate them like we did Germany, or turn it into a parking lot E5M style? I hear no solutions being offered other than 'Let the Kremlin handle it'. They strike me as bloody clueless as everyone else. Edited March 25, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith
DADI Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Oh, but there is a simple solution (sadly one exposing gals to punishment of death by stone for blinking) that will ensure peace.A solutionthat is written, but people seem not wanting to see: Just like the woman in that video in Brussels. She is acting violently in front of 1000 blind Belgians... You want to lock all those up, fine, Ive no issue with that. The problem is the real issue is not the ones carrying signs and being a pain in the arse in public. The real problem is the ones who seem nice, adjusted middle class boys who suddenly become suicide bombers, because we have had more than a few in the UK of that sort. I don't wan't to do anything... I'm just directing you to the way for serenity... No longer am I amazed by your inability to identify the similarity between those you have issues with, and those that seem to have great issues with you!
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Oh, but there is a simple solution (sadly one exposing gals to punishment of death by stone for blinking) that will ensure peace.A solutionthat is written, but people seem not wanting to see: Just like the woman in that video in Brussels. She is acting violently in front of 1000 blind Belgians... You want to lock all those up, fine, Ive no issue with that. The problem is the real issue is not the ones carrying signs and being a pain in the arse in public. The real problem is the ones who seem nice, adjusted middle class boys who suddenly become suicide bombers, because we have had more than a few in the UK of that sort. I don't wan't to do anything... I'm just directing you to the way for serenity... No longer am I amazed by your inability to identify the similarity between those you have issues with, and those that seem to have great issues with you! Ok dude whatever. Pardon me if Im similarly bemused at being lectured, when the only reliable solution Israel seem to have found to its problems is to build a wall round it. I hear l lots of people saying 'Well you dont understand the solution'. Fine. Start stacking up your solutions and lets look at them, because tbh ive yet to see anything that looks like a workable plan that is not already on the list of failed policies we have tried on the middle east over the past 5 decades. And for the record, I dont have issues with anyone on this site. People are entitled to their opinions no matter how bizarre or objectionable. Where I have the issue is when they start lecturing me I dont have a right to have an opinion because of where im from, or im not smart enough to see a solution. Thats pretty smugly arrogant when I have yet to see anyone offer a workable plan that is going to solve this problem for once and for all that doesn't involve some kind of genocide.
DADI Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 What I think Simon is trying to say - That DAESH is a porn like franchise. It does not create the rabid wish to kill, rape, slash throats and be killed, all for Allah's great benefits awaiting the Shahids in the world beyond.DAESH simply provides tools and infrastructure for these strong sentiments, very well phrased by the Prophet and his delegates, to be performed daily by the enthusiasts.
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 What I think Simon is trying to say - That DAESH is a porn like franchise. It does not create the rabid wish to kill, rape, slash throats and be killed, all for Allah's great benefits awaiting the Shahids in the world beyond.DAESH simply provides tools and infrastructure for these strong sentiments, very well phrased by the Prophet and his delegates, to be performed daily by the enthusiasts. Fair one, and im not disagreeing with that assessment.
DADI Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) Ok dude whatever. Pardon me if Im similarly bemused at being lectured, when the only reliable solution Israel seem to have found to its problems is to build a wall round it. I hear l lots of people saying 'Well you dont understand the solution'. Fine. Start stacking up your solutions and lets look at them, because tbh ive yet to see anything that looks like a workable plan that is not already on the list of failed policies we have tried on the middle east over the past 5 decades. And for the record, I dont have issues with anyone on this site. People are entitled to their opinions no matter how bizarre or objectionable. Where I have the issue is when they start lecturing me I dont have a right to have an opinion because of where im from, or im not smart enough to see a solution. Thats pretty smugly arrogant when I have yet to see anyone offer a workable plan that is going to solve this problem for once and for all that doesn't involve some kind of genocide. I'm not sure you are aware to whatever Israel is doing or not doing, and the type of challenges that are being addressed.For example - The field hospital that Israel opened in the Golan, and the thouthands of Syrian civilians, men women and children (some very badly hurt) that were treated in Israeli hospitals. Wounded militants, Jubhat a Nusra... what ever, that recieved medical treatment in Israel, as a message of humanity and peace to that crazed area. They don't show you that on BBC, do they?I know - They know! I am sure that the old saying, made by Israel and many in the US - that Israel is the "front out-post of the west" in the Middle East, is no longer valid.Europe has welcomed the Middle East into its streets. Israel is, and shall remain, a "villa in the jungle", with its own Arab/Muslim citizens, being the most free, educated, healthy Arab community in the world. What I do think is that the inability to identify danger is the 'real problem'.Political Correctness is a killer. What I find arrogant is the "failed policies we have tried on the Middle East" comment. Edited March 25, 2016 by DADI
Panzermann Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Ok dude whatever. Pardon me if Im similarly bemused at being lectured, when the only reliable solution Israel seem to have found to its problems is to build a wall round it. I hear l lots of people saying 'Well you dont understand the solution'. Fine. Start stacking up your solutions and lets look at them, because tbh ive yet to see anything that looks like a workable plan that is not already on the list of failed policies we have tried on the middle east over the past 5 decades. And for the record, I dont have issues with anyone on this site. People are entitled to their opinions no matter how bizarre or objectionable. Where I have the issue is when they start lecturing me I dont have a right to have an opinion because of where im from, or im not smart enough to see a solution. Thats pretty smugly arrogant when I have yet to see anyone offer a workable plan that is going to solve this problem for once and for all that doesn't involve some kind of genocide. I'm not sure you are aware to whatever Israel is doing or not doing, and the type of challenges that are being addressed.I am sure that the old saying, made by Israel and many in the US - that Israel is the "front out-post of the west" in the Middle East, is no longer valid.Europe has welcomed the Middle East into its streets. Israel is, and shall remain, a "villa in the jungle", with its own Arab/Muslim citizens, being the most free, educated, healthy Arab community in the world. What I do think is that the inability to identify danger is the 'real problem'.Political Correctness is a killer.Very true. Misunderstood multi-culti tolerance kills. Applied not as tolerance but actually as ignorance in the real world. No no no there are no muslim ghettos breeding extremism. You are a Nazi for saying that! Let us hold hands and hug. What I find arogant is the "failed policies we have tried on the Middle East" comment.True. Much of the arabs problems are self inflicted and made worse by outside intervention. But most of their problems are their own. Especially projecting their problems on the big satan. Convenient scapegoat for their greedy elites.
DADI Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) .... when the only reliable solution Israel seem to have found to its problems is to build a wall round it. Sorry, couldn't help it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg Edited March 25, 2016 by DADI
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Ok dude whatever. Pardon me if Im similarly bemused at being lectured, when the only reliable solution Israel seem to have found to its problems is to build a wall round it. I hear l lots of people saying 'Well you dont understand the solution'. Fine. Start stacking up your solutions and lets look at them, because tbh ive yet to see anything that looks like a workable plan that is not already on the list of failed policies we have tried on the middle east over the past 5 decades. And for the record, I dont have issues with anyone on this site. People are entitled to their opinions no matter how bizarre or objectionable. Where I have the issue is when they start lecturing me I dont have a right to have an opinion because of where im from, or im not smart enough to see a solution. Thats pretty smugly arrogant when I have yet to see anyone offer a workable plan that is going to solve this problem for once and for all that doesn't involve some kind of genocide. I'm not sure you are aware to whatever Israel is doing or not doing, and the type of challenges that are being addressed.For example - The field hospital that Israel opened in the Golan, and the thouthands of Syrian civilians, men women and children (some very badly hurt) that were treated in Israeli hospitals. Wounded militants, Jubhat a Nusra... what ever, that recieved medical treatment in Israel, as a message of humanity and peace to that crazed area. They don't show you that on BBC, do they?I know - They know! I am sure that the old saying, made by Israel and many in the US - that Israel is the "front out-post of the west" in the Middle East, is no longer valid.Europe has welcomed the Middle East into its streets. Israel is, and shall remain, a "villa in the jungle", with its own Arab/Muslim citizens, being the most free, educated, healthy Arab community in the world. What I do think is that the inability to identify danger is the 'real problem'.Political Correctness is a killer. What I find arogant is the "failed policies we have tried on the Middle East" comment. Such as? We have promoted peace efforts, we have fought proxy wars, we have fought real wars, we have kept tyrants in place, reformers in place, deposed tyrants, deposed reformers, sanctions, reopening access to markets, every single combination of the above and then some. Whats arrogant about recognising that the West has tired every combination of approaches to encourage middle east peace and stability over the past 50 decades, and its more unstable than ever. There is no joined up thinking, no plan, no real understanding of the issues. And ever time we have engaged in the middle east, we have consumed yet more military resources we could use for our own defence at home. The Bush doctrine didnt work. The Reagan doctrine didnt work. The Eisenhower doctrine didnt work. The Eden doctrine didnt work. That not arrogant. Its recognising the self evident. Yes, political correctness is a killer. So whats your alternative? I keep hearing how we in the west are clueless, politically correct, overwhelmed by the problem. Please, advocate an approach that doesnt have us behaving like the worst of totalitarian regimes. Im happy to try anything that doesnt turn us into the 4th Reich overnight. And yes, you and Panzerman are both right. We have too eager in Britain to appease, to let people form their own communities, to tolerate. No argument here when I think of the Mosques in the UK used for terrorist training. I would however illustrate that has been in marked contrast to France who have taken an assimilation approach, and who seem to have as bad a problem with jihadists as we do. Not sure this has been posted up yet. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/belgium-attacks-evacuation-tihange-nuclear-plant-staff-isis-dirty-bomb/ Hours after bombs tore through Belgium's international airport and a subway station in central Brussels, the government asked the operator of one of the country's nuclear energy plants to evacuate most staff.ENGIE, the French electric company that runs the Tihange nuclear plant about 50 miles southeast of Brussels, confirmed that all non-essential staff had left the facility.There was no indication Belgian authorities had received information about any direct threat to the facility, and there was no word of evacuations at the country's other nuclear power plant or research facilities, but earlier this year police did learn that ISIS seems interested in breaching Belgium's nuclear security. In February, Belgian security services discovered two men had been secretly videotaping one of the country's senior nuclear scientists.In the process of searching the home of Mohamed Bakkali, who was arrested and charged with terrorist activity and murder over alleged links to the Nov. 13, 2015, Paris terror attacks, police found 10 hours of secretly recorded video showing the unnamed nuclear official coming and going from his home in Belgium's Flanders region.Investigators said the camera used to record the official was left at a static location under a bush, and was picked up by the two unidentified assailants.
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 .... when the only reliable solution Israel seem to have found to its problems is to build a wall round it. Sorry, couldn't help it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg Ive not seen it, but I do see the irony. Look, Israel does what it does for its own security. im not criticising building walls in its situation is a bad idea. In fact, in Belfast we were building walls between Catholic and Protestant communities to keep them apart. The joke was at the time they were even building them underground in the cemeteries to keep the sectarian divide , but thats probably apocryphal.... But its not a solution that translates to the problems in Western Cities with the ability of everyone to have mass transit. Unless we start taking away the rights of particular social groups to have the right of mass transit, which I cant help but think is going to cause as many problems as it solves.
Marek Tucan Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Two more explosions in Brussels, apparently during police raid.
seahawk Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 .... when the only reliable solution Israel seem to have found to its problems is to build a wall round it. Sorry, couldn't help it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpJoMuuE3Eg So you say Israel is the problem?
Stuart Galbraith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Two more explosions in Brussels, apparently during police raid.Thanks for the heads up. http://news.sky.com/story/1666828/blasts-heard-during-brussels-anti-terror-raid Explosions have been heard during an anti-terror operation by armed police in Brussels that has led to a suspect being "neutralised".The blast in the suburb of Schaerbeek follows a series of raids overnight by the security forces which led to seven arrests, following the deadly attacks in the Belgian capital.It is the same district where police found explosives and an Islamic State flag earlier this week in a flat believed to have been used by the suicide bombers, who carried out Tuesday's atrocities.The latest raid has been linked to a foiled terror plot in France, which saw the arrest of a suspect near Paris.Reda Kriket, 34, was detained in the northwest suburb of Argenteuil, late on Thursday night with a quantity of explosives. Not clear if thats booby traps or, hopefully, entry charges and stun grenades.
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