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You know I can't disagree here. That is why I don't want those people to get here because pretty soon the US will have the same problem...wait, we already do.

 

 

I wonder when western european politicians will finally realize that not only letting in these people causes such situations, but also openly inviting them is a way to win Darwins prize... seriously Angela Merkel should win Darwins prize, she is so dumb that this is unbelievable.

 

And now obviously more innocent people are dead or wounded.

 

Bravo Europe, and bravo EU. *clap, clap, clap* :glare:

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Three metro stations.

 

Guess revenge for the recent arrests?

Pretty fast off the mark to organise something like this in a matter of hours. My money would be on the Belge authorities having info about this when they closed the place down over the New Year, and the bad guys stepping back for another go later (now).

 

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You know I can't disagree here. That is why I don't want those people to get here because pretty soon the US will have the same problem...wait, we already do.

 

 

I wonder when western european politicians will finally realize that not only letting in these people causes such situations, but also openly inviting them is a way to win Darwins prize... seriously Angela Merkel should win Darwins prize, she is so dumb that this is unbelievable.

 

And now obviously more innocent people are dead or wounded.

 

Bravo Europe, and bravo EU. *clap, clap, clap* :glare:

 

 

At least you guys as citizens can have firearms and defend yourselfs, and you still have armed forces, on the other hand many european countries are just weak, citizens are disarmed, armed forces are reduced beyond any sane reasons.

 

I am incredibly happy right now that I live in Poland, probably one of the last countries in Europe where there is at least a bit of peace and sanity.

 

Truth to be told, when I see what happens, I hope that our president, just openly says to Merkel and EU politicians "fuck you" when they will try to force us to "invite" more immigrants...

 

A side note, we actually have some immigrants here from middle east, and it's funny to watch them, not only they receive around 1000 PLN each month, they are complete morons, 1000 PLN is enough to have rather good enough life here if you purchase cheap products (cheap and high quality) like food, but nooo, they purchase only the most expensive ones, and then scream our goverment or fundations that help them, do not give them enough money.

 

I also seen a situation where immigrants received some food, I think at Hungarian border, and they throw it away claiming it's food for dogs... seriously I ask, why we need such people here?

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You know I can't disagree here. That is why I don't want those people to get here because pretty soon the US will have the same problem...wait, we already do.

 

 

I wonder when western european politicians will finally realize that not only letting in these people causes such situations, but also openly inviting them is a way to win Darwins prize... seriously Angela Merkel should win Darwins prize, she is so dumb that this is unbelievable.

 

And now obviously more innocent people are dead or wounded.

 

Bravo Europe, and bravo EU. *clap, clap, clap* :glare:

 

 

 

I also seen a situation where immigrants received some food, I think at Hungarian border, and they throw it away claiming it's food for dogs... seriously I ask, why we need such people here?

 

 

To replace you!

 

It's abundantly clear that the governments of the West hate their own current peoples, yet folks refuse to wake up.

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At least you guys as citizens can have firearms and defend yourselfs, and you still have armed forces, on the other hand many european countries are just weak, citizens are disarmed, armed forces are reduced beyond any sane reasons.

 

I am incredibly happy right now that I live in Poland, probably one of the last countries in Europe where there is at least a bit of peace and sanity.

 

Truth to be told, when I see what happens, I hope that our president, just openly says to Merkel and EU politicians "fuck you" when they will try to force us to "invite" more immigrants...

 

A side note, we actually have some immigrants here from middle east, and it's funny to watch them, not only they receive around 1000 PLN each month, they are complete morons, 1000 PLN is enough to have rather good enough life here if you purchase cheap products (cheap and high quality) like food, but nooo, they purchase only the most expensive ones, and then scream our goverment or fundations that help them, do not give them enough money.

 

I also seen a situation where immigrants received some food, I think at Hungarian border, and they throw it away claiming it's food for dogs... seriously I ask, why we need such people here?

Japan makes up for it with tight immigration.

 

At this point, I'd figure good will has sufficiently worn out its welcome.

 

And US policy in the ME is a disaster.

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To replace you!

It's abundantly clear that the governments of the West hate their own current peoples, yet folks refuse to wake up.

 

Aye, this is what happens when you let socialists to run things.

 

 

 

Japan makes up for it with tight immigration.

 

Which is a very smart policy.

 

 

 

And US policy in the ME is a disaster.

 

The whole western policy there is a disaster.

 

IMHO what we should do is to completely not get involved in to ME, and completely cut ties with them. We do not need their oil, US and Canada have enough of oil and gas resources, you can find such also in Europe and many other places.

 

Borders for middle eastern people should be completely closed, maybe besides Christians, Jews or other minorities escaping from that hell, but they should only be let in after proper background checks.

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so the Metro and the airport were both hit?

If so then it's a planned op ahead of the arrests

 

Yeah it seems well organised, sadly. One report claims there was 2 bombs at the airport, probably one bomber. Seems like there may have been one bomb to get people moving, then blew himself up to catch people escaping. I might add thats just speculation at the moment.

 

Report on BBC that 34 are dead in total (looks like 130 wounded if not more). Further reports that one train carriage went to pieces, and it has to be said video footage so far looks remarkably similar to London 7/7. So much so that you kind of wonder if they were either reading up on it to emulate it, or the same people (AQ) executed it.

 

Uncertain if the fellow at the airport was shooting. And that is why it doesnt seem to quite fit the ISIS template, they loved to shoot and set their bombs off. This seems far more like the 7/7 bombings in that it was a bolt from the blue. Or maybe ISIS figured buying guns is just a complication they dont need.

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Three metro stations.

 

Guess revenge for the recent arrests?

Pretty fast off the mark to organise something like this in a matter of hours. My money would be on the Belge authorities having info about this when they closed the place down over the New Year, and the bad guys stepping back for another go later (now).

 

BillB

 

With Brussels beginning to show that they're waking up (vis-a-vis the recent raids, however poorly executed), this may have been a "parting shot" from the (this?) Brussels cell, especially with them likely being known to the captured scumbag.

 

One can hope so, anyway. I lived in Brussels for nearly 4 years back at the turn of the century. Whilst it wasn't a perfect place, I liked it a lot and am saddened by recent events.

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Three metro stations.

 

Guess revenge for the recent arrests?

Pretty fast off the mark to organise something like this in a matter of hours. My money would be on the Belge authorities having info about this when they closed the place down over the New Year, and the bad guys stepping back for another go later (now).

 

BillB

 

Speculation that they went ahead in a hurry for fear of being compromised after the raids.

 

I've visited Brussels a few times, & always enjoyed it. Good beer, good food, amiable locals in my experience.

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Remember wot the EU stands for: diversity and tolerance.

 

Now, continue to bend over and open your ass cheeks wide....

 

 

<_<

 

How could Merkel sleep? Truly, she must be some leftover Stasi sleeper agent....

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Easy to scapegoat her for this, but I have no doubt that the bad actors would have been able to embed themselves in Europe without the current migrant issues and the European response to them.

 

And E5M's protestations notwithstanding, you can't machine gun the boats they're using to get here, our societal values such as they are will not allow it. If that means we're all doomed as a society, then the vandals are welcome to the hell they'll inherit. I happen to believe that our way is better than theirs and will win out eventually.

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Easy to scapegoat her for this, but I have no doubt that the bad actors would have been able to embed themselves in Europe without the current migrant issues and the European response to them.

 

And E5M's protestations notwithstanding, you can't machine gun the boats they're using to get here, our societal values such as they are will not allow it. If that means we're all doomed as a society, then the vandals are welcome to the hell they'll inherit. I happen to believe that our way is better than theirs and will win out eventually.

 

But the deterioration of some European neighborhoods because of them was a flashing light to close the doors. If they keep coming ashore, feed them and provide some provisions on arrival for their hard trip but then send them back on European ships to where they likely set sail from.

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The Charlie Hebdo attack was perpetuated by people who were in the EU long before the Syrian crisis. So have all the other previous attacks. Im sure that subsequently we will see many more refugees (or people pretending to be refugees) taking part in these attacks just as we did with the Paris attack, but its not as if we didnt have a long standing problem already. You cant dump it all in Angela Merkels lap. We have a problem with terrorists who were born here but seem more easily to identify with a bunch of head chopping fuckwits in the sandy place. Not much you can do to legislate for stupidity unfortunately.

 

A British comedian once said that you can be born in a stable and it doesnt make you a horse. Which is probably vilely politically incorrect, but at least as far as Europe's terrorist problem pretty much spot on.

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I cant help but think shock is playing a role in that kind of situation. its not not particularity common to come across shredded people on European streets. Well not recently anyway.

 

If it happened to me Im not sure I would know what the hell to do either. Most people seem to have reacted by taking photos and presumably upping to facebook.

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People who are not trained are not prepared. They do things they may not be proud of later. On the other hand, we don't know what they did after the moment of comfort and relief, so maybe we shouldn't judge too quickly.

 

I'm sure I've said before that I have no idea how I'd react in adversity or combat, never having really faced it, nor trained to react appropriately. I might do the right things, I might freeze, I might just run away. One thing we do see, though, is that people who have been in the armed forces tend to react far more quickly and far more effectively than others.

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so the Metro and the airport were both hit?

If so then it's a planned op ahead of the arrests

I think they had prepared an attack, but not set a date yet. The police raid set them hurridly in motion before they are captured a swell.

 

Totla WAG on my part, but if they had acted on a day of their choice it would have been worse, because they would have targeted some big event probably.

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I cant help but think shock is playing a role in that kind of situation. its not not particularity common to come across shredded people on European streets. Well not recently anyway.

 

If it happened to me Im not sure I would know what the hell to do either. Most people seem to have reacted by taking photos and presumably upping to facebook.

 

 

People who are not trained are not prepared. They do things they may not be proud of later. On the other hand, we don't know what they did after the moment of comfort and relief, so maybe we shouldn't judge too quickly.

 

I'm sure I've said before that I have no idea how I'd react in adversity or combat, never having really faced it, nor trained to react appropriately. I might do the right things, I might freeze, I might just run away. One thing we do see, though, is that people who have been in the armed forces tend to react far more quickly and far more effectively than others.

 

I figured you two would take the bait to defend your own shortcomings as men. Glad you can admit to being so self-centered and callous.

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People who are not trained are not prepared. They do things they may not be proud of later. On the other hand, we don't know what they did after the moment of comfort and relief, so maybe we shouldn't judge too quickly.

 

I'm sure I've said before that I have no idea how I'd react in adversity or combat, never having really faced it, nor trained to react appropriately. I might do the right things, I might freeze, I might just run away. One thing we do see, though, is that people who have been in the armed forces tend to react far more quickly and far more effectively than others.

Indeed. One reason why I think its high time we reformed the Civil Defence Corp. Even if it doesnt react in a coordinated manner, its going to increase by a large degree people available with training on treating wounds or casevac, and that surely has to be valuable. Last time it was mooted it got bogged down in political arguments, but there is surely nothing political about saving lives. It wouldnt even cost much. Most of the equipment could be knocked off from the MOD, just as it was before it was wound up in in 68.

 

 

 

I cant help but think shock is playing a role in that kind of situation. its not not particularity common to come across shredded people on European streets. Well not recently anyway.

 

If it happened to me Im not sure I would know what the hell to do either. Most people seem to have reacted by taking photos and presumably upping to facebook.

 

 

People who are not trained are not prepared. They do things they may not be proud of later. On the other hand, we don't know what they did after the moment of comfort and relief, so maybe we shouldn't judge too quickly.

 

I'm sure I've said before that I have no idea how I'd react in adversity or combat, never having really faced it, nor trained to react appropriately. I might do the right things, I might freeze, I might just run away. One thing we do see, though, is that people who have been in the armed forces tend to react far more quickly and far more effectively than others.

 

I figured you two would take the bait to defend your own shortcomings as men. Glad you can admit to being so self-centered and callous.

 

Maybe I just dont feel comfortable classing myself as a hero, particularly as ive never been in a life threatening situation. But then that is the British way, understate and try to overachieve.

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People who are not trained are not prepared. They do things they may not be proud of later. On the other hand, we don't know what they did after the moment of comfort and relief, so maybe we shouldn't judge too quickly.

 

I'm sure I've said before that I have no idea how I'd react in adversity or combat, never having really faced it, nor trained to react appropriately. I might do the right things, I might freeze, I might just run away. One thing we do see, though, is that people who have been in the armed forces tend to react far more quickly and far more effectively than others.

Indeed. One reason why I think its high time we reformed the Civil Defence Corp. Even if it doesnt react in a coordinated manner, its going to increase by a large degree people available with training on treating wounds or casevac, and that surely has to be valuable. Last time it was mooted it got bogged down in political arguments, but there is surely nothing political about saving lives. It wouldnt even cost much. Most of the equipment could be knocked off from the MOD, just as it was before it was wound up in in 68.

 

 

 

I cant help but think shock is playing a role in that kind of situation. its not not particularity common to come across shredded people on European streets. Well not recently anyway.

 

If it happened to me Im not sure I would know what the hell to do either. Most people seem to have reacted by taking photos and presumably upping to facebook.

 

 

People who are not trained are not prepared. They do things they may not be proud of later. On the other hand, we don't know what they did after the moment of comfort and relief, so maybe we shouldn't judge too quickly.

 

I'm sure I've said before that I have no idea how I'd react in adversity or combat, never having really faced it, nor trained to react appropriately. I might do the right things, I might freeze, I might just run away. One thing we do see, though, is that people who have been in the armed forces tend to react far more quickly and far more effectively than others.

 

I figured you two would take the bait to defend your own shortcomings as men. Glad you can admit to being so self-centered and callous.

 

Maybe I just dont feel comfortable classing myself as a hero, particularly as ive never been in a life threatening situation. But then that is the British way, understate and try to overachieve.

 

No 2nd Amendment for you, you latent heros you! ^_^ ^_^

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I figured you two would take the bait to defend your own shortcomings as men. Glad you can admit to being so self-centered and callous.

 

Trollbait.

 

If you read what I wrote, I simply said I've never been tested, so don't know how I'd react. That's honesty. I'm sure you faced your own personal elephant with plenty of glory.

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Easy to scapegoat her for this, but I have no doubt that the bad actors would have been able to embed themselves in Europe without the current migrant issues and the European response to them.

 

And E5M's protestations notwithstanding, you can't machine gun the boats they're using to get here, our societal values such as they are will not allow it. If that means we're all doomed as a society, then the vandals are welcome to the hell they'll inherit. I happen to believe that our way is better than theirs and will win out eventually.

 

JasonJ says what I was going to say as well.

 

I'll just add that If Europe has the funds to house and feed and clothe them with its welfare states, then Europe has the funds and resources to feed and clothe them temporarily, fix any injuries and carry them back to their nations of origin. Or at least house them in refugee camps for a time if their nation of origin is too unsafe until such time as they can be returned.

 

 

 

 

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