120 Dead In Paris

[BansheeOne]

At least in Germany no-go areas are generally still more secure than low income parts of larger US cities preferred by African Americans.

 

What areas are you thinking of, anyway? I know places like Duisburg-Marxloh and -Laar, and parts of Frankfurt, Saarbrücken and some other NRW cities, are sometimes claimed to be such by interested politicians or in fact criminal clans; but that's just that, criminals, and despite distinct ethnic components, Islam is straight not a factor despite publicity stunts for recruiting purposes like the Wuppertal Sharia Police. Most often it seems to be Mhallamiye Kurds, Arabs too, but also Bulgarians and Romanians. Not that aboriginal Germans are above telling police to bugger off; If you just go by incident rates of resistance against LEOs, you get places like ... Gera right up there with the Ruhrpott.

 

 

The same is sometimes claimed of some Berlin areas, but living next to Kreuzberg I can say that its traditional colorful reputation is most of all an incentive for rapid gentrification by well-offs in search of some "flair". Kotbusser Tor, two subway stops south of mine, is a known crime hotspot, particularly pickpockets feasting on the tourists, to which police has responded by stepping up presence; same for the drug scene in Görlitzer Park, or indeed the frequent drug- and alcohol-fueled violence, including some killings, in the Alexanderplatz area. Over in Friedrichshain, some leftists recently got the bright idea to attack a cop handing out parking rickets outside their "alternative center" on the grounds that this was "their turf", and promptly got a three-digit number of official visitors including the SEK shortly afterwards.

 

The more hardened structures, including centers of the local Salafi scene, are in Neukölln and Wedding; however, friend of mines lives in Neukölln and says gentrification is progressing there, too. But then she lived in Israel for three years during the Second Intifada, including narrowly escaping being blown up on a bus twice and at a university cafeteria once, so she's not likely to pussy out just over living next to some mediterranean types.

 

I certainly don't know of any urban wastelands anywhere in Europe like I saw in Baltimore last year, that's for sure.

Edited March 26, 2016 by BansheeOne

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

 

Come on Bill, thats not fair and you know it. I know full well that it was a Pakistani clique that undertook those attacks and never as best I can recall suggested it was not. My main problem is that the claim was 'well what you you expect of socialists'. Which unfortunately overlooked historic complaints under Conservative Governments that were also completely ignored.

 

As for why, well it was not a no go area. It would be more accurate to call it cant be arsed area, just like the one that killed Bijan Ebrahmi. You dont need conspiracy to explain it. apathy and incompetence, sadly not that uncommon in regional police forces these day are more than adequate. Did a racial bias also play a part? Probably. Though one cant help but think that was just one more excuse for not really wanted to be bothered by anything more difficult than parking violations.

 

As I illustrate, a first rate example of local bobbies who just really couldnt be arsed to do their job probably.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280

 

Sorry mate, but my comment is both fair and accurate and you are dissembling. You actually argued very vociferously that the fact the abusers were predominantly of Pakistani origin and pretty much exclusively Moslem preying almost exclusively on non-Moslem minors was either irrelevant or coincidence as I recall: I assume you have reconsidered that now the findings of numerous court convictions has conclusively proven that ethnicity and religion was actually the primary unifying and motivating factor. Ref the stuff about the political angle, neither is it a coincidence that the most egregious examples of the latter occurred under the auspices of Labour run local authorities and Labour Westminster constituencies, if only because multi-culti and PC hold the most sway there. The result was that the child services, social services and any other department wilfully and deliberately put PC before principles or even legality, a fact acknowledged by former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer, who tried unsuccessfully to raise the issue a decade or more ago and got sat on by those very same tendencies for her trouble.

 

As for the bit about the cops, I'm far from being a fan of Plod but this cannot be written off as solely a matter of idleness or incompetence, it goes much deeper than that. The Constables and Sergeants on the pointy end don't get to decide what they will or will not pursue. That comes from higher up the CoC, and those setting the priorities are as much if not more politicians than cops, not least due to the naked political jockeying by ACPO or whatever it's called now and the infiltration by Common Purpose. The reason this stuff was allowed to go unchallenged is because the senior Plod didn't want to rock the boat with their local and national political masters, and because even the suggestion of not being sufficiently PC was career death; in short they too put PC (excuse the pun) before principle or legality and obliged their subordinates to do the same. That's not just my conclusion, it's also the view of the Casey Report into what happened in Rotherham, and that is pretty much a blueprint for all the other cases too. That too is far more insidious and dangerous than mere idleness & incompetence.

 

BillB

 

Bill, if you can point to an occasion when I suggested that it was irrelevant that it was a pakistani community, Ill retract my comment. But I can recall discussing this at least once with you and E5m and suggesting (a point I stand by) that Socialists running the local council that was irrelevant, but that it had happened on at least 2 different Governments watch.If you can point to the post Id appreciate having my memory refreshed, because Ive absolutely no recognition of what you remember.

 

its not about politics, Is about people doing their fucking job and enforcing the law. Its written down for them, it cant be that hard for police to be unpopular. They had plenty of practice at it.

 

Mate, I've neither the time nor inclination to go back digging through old threads to prove you said what you now claim to have no recollection of. I'll just say it's not the kind of thing I'd have misremembered if I bothered my arse to get involved discussing it in the first place.

 

Ref the rest, you are still dissembling because it is all about politics at root. It is indeed a matter of people doing their job, but that extends to the social services et al who in a large part actually guide the actions of Plod in this kind of thing. And the irrefutable fact is that it is predominantly Labour (and therefore socialist) local authorities under which this stuff has gone on because Labour authorities are more ideologically oriented toward PC and all its attendant nonsense, irrespective of who was running the national show down in Westminster; again, this isn't just me, there are shedloads of serving and former Labour MPs and councillors saying the same on the record as even a cursory google search shows.

 

Furthermore, the example of Ann Cryer MP shows that the last Labour Westminster administration was equally happy to sit on child abuse as the Labour local authorities for reasons of political expedience, specifically to ensure Labour would retain the Moslem vote; remember back in 2005 when Judge Richard Mawrey likened our postal vote system to that of a banana republic and recent events in Tower Hamlets show the same kind of fiddling is still rife in Labour controlled areas and with the tacit or open support of high profile Labour politicians; have a look at the biraderi system to see how & why: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3181851.stm. Oh, and ref your attempt to implicate Conservative government in child abuse, I think that falls a bit flat given that the lid finally got lifted on Cameron & Clegg's watch, and more importantly given that Plod have finally and grudgingly admitted that the unsupported rambling accusations of a serial fantasist don't really count as evidence even with the backing of Jeremy Corbyn's string puller in chief...

 

BillB

 

Mate, I dont particularly like it being implied I have a selective memory. If I say I dont have any recollecton of it, it either means you are wrong and are misremembering , or my memory is shot, which is alway possible. Im always honest in what I say and think Bill, so I would appreciate your not implying I play mind games just to win arguments. I either remember or I dont. End of.

[seahawk]

 

At least in Germany no-go areas are generally still more secure than low income parts of larger US cities preferred by African Americans.

Not to mention the "low income parts" of Rio De Janeiro... Apart from that annoying terror thing that sometimes acure outside of those areas - Theatres, Air-Ports, Markets, Coffee Shops etc.

Surely you remember the "low income parts" of Hamburg and their effect on the WTC 9/11.

 

 

Just that they did not come from "low income" parts or were raised in Germany.

 

Point is in Germany there are no no-go areas due to Muslims. There are some small parts with increased criminal activity, but this is not defined by the Muslim population. Fact is, if you are an American of say South American origin or Asian decent, you are in greater danger walking through parts of East Germany than as a Caucasian walking through Muslim dominates parts in West Germany. Even a Jew is probably in bigger danger in East Germany.

[BillB]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

 

Come on Bill, thats not fair and you know it. I know full well that it was a Pakistani clique that undertook those attacks and never as best I can recall suggested it was not. My main problem is that the claim was 'well what you you expect of socialists'. Which unfortunately overlooked historic complaints under Conservative Governments that were also completely ignored.

 

As for why, well it was not a no go area. It would be more accurate to call it cant be arsed area, just like the one that killed Bijan Ebrahmi. You dont need conspiracy to explain it. apathy and incompetence, sadly not that uncommon in regional police forces these day are more than adequate. Did a racial bias also play a part? Probably. Though one cant help but think that was just one more excuse for not really wanted to be bothered by anything more difficult than parking violations.

 

As I illustrate, a first rate example of local bobbies who just really couldnt be arsed to do their job probably.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280

 

Sorry mate, but my comment is both fair and accurate and you are dissembling. You actually argued very vociferously that the fact the abusers were predominantly of Pakistani origin and pretty much exclusively Moslem preying almost exclusively on non-Moslem minors was either irrelevant or coincidence as I recall: I assume you have reconsidered that now the findings of numerous court convictions has conclusively proven that ethnicity and religion was actually the primary unifying and motivating factor. Ref the stuff about the political angle, neither is it a coincidence that the most egregious examples of the latter occurred under the auspices of Labour run local authorities and Labour Westminster constituencies, if only because multi-culti and PC hold the most sway there. The result was that the child services, social services and any other department wilfully and deliberately put PC before principles or even legality, a fact acknowledged by former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer, who tried unsuccessfully to raise the issue a decade or more ago and got sat on by those very same tendencies for her trouble.

 

As for the bit about the cops, I'm far from being a fan of Plod but this cannot be written off as solely a matter of idleness or incompetence, it goes much deeper than that. The Constables and Sergeants on the pointy end don't get to decide what they will or will not pursue. That comes from higher up the CoC, and those setting the priorities are as much if not more politicians than cops, not least due to the naked political jockeying by ACPO or whatever it's called now and the infiltration by Common Purpose. The reason this stuff was allowed to go unchallenged is because the senior Plod didn't want to rock the boat with their local and national political masters, and because even the suggestion of not being sufficiently PC was career death; in short they too put PC (excuse the pun) before principle or legality and obliged their subordinates to do the same. That's not just my conclusion, it's also the view of the Casey Report into what happened in Rotherham, and that is pretty much a blueprint for all the other cases too. That too is far more insidious and dangerous than mere idleness & incompetence.

 

BillB

 

Bill, if you can point to an occasion when I suggested that it was irrelevant that it was a pakistani community, Ill retract my comment. But I can recall discussing this at least once with you and E5m and suggesting (a point I stand by) that Socialists running the local council that was irrelevant, but that it had happened on at least 2 different Governments watch.If you can point to the post Id appreciate having my memory refreshed, because Ive absolutely no recognition of what you remember.

 

its not about politics, Is about people doing their fucking job and enforcing the law. Its written down for them, it cant be that hard for police to be unpopular. They had plenty of practice at it.

 

Mate, I've neither the time nor inclination to go back digging through old threads to prove you said what you now claim to have no recollection of. I'll just say it's not the kind of thing I'd have misremembered if I bothered my arse to get involved discussing it in the first place.

 

Ref the rest, you are still dissembling because it is all about politics at root. It is indeed a matter of people doing their job, but that extends to the social services et al who in a large part actually guide the actions of Plod in this kind of thing. And the irrefutable fact is that it is predominantly Labour (and therefore socialist) local authorities under which this stuff has gone on because Labour authorities are more ideologically oriented toward PC and all its attendant nonsense, irrespective of who was running the national show down in Westminster; again, this isn't just me, there are shedloads of serving and former Labour MPs and councillors saying the same on the record as even a cursory google search shows.

 

Furthermore, the example of Ann Cryer MP shows that the last Labour Westminster administration was equally happy to sit on child abuse as the Labour local authorities for reasons of political expedience, specifically to ensure Labour would retain the Moslem vote; remember back in 2005 when Judge Richard Mawrey likened our postal vote system to that of a banana republic and recent events in Tower Hamlets show the same kind of fiddling is still rife in Labour controlled areas and with the tacit or open support of high profile Labour politicians; have a look at the biraderi system to see how & why: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3181851.stm. Oh, and ref your attempt to implicate Conservative government in child abuse, I think that falls a bit flat given that the lid finally got lifted on Cameron & Clegg's watch, and more importantly given that Plod have finally and grudgingly admitted that the unsupported rambling accusations of a serial fantasist don't really count as evidence even with the backing of Jeremy Corbyn's string puller in chief...

 

BillB

 

Mate, I dont particularly like it being implied I have a selective memory. If I say I dont have any recollecton of it, it either means you are wrong and are misremembering , or my memory is shot, which is alway possible. Im always honest in what I say and think Bill, so I would appreciate your not implying I play mind games just to win arguments. I either remember or I dont. End of.

 

Neither do I Stuart. And my memory is most certainly not shot. End of.

 

BillB

[DADI]

 

 

 

At least in Germany no-go areas are generally still more secure than low income parts of larger US cities preferred by African Americans.

Not to mention the "low income parts" of Rio De Janeiro... Apart from that annoying terror thing that sometimes acure outside of those areas - Theatres, Air-Ports, Markets, Coffee Shops etc.

Surely you remember the "low income parts" of Hamburg and their effect on the WTC 9/11.

Just that they did not come from "low income" parts or were raised in Germany.

 

Point is in Germany there are no no-go areas due to Muslims. There are some small parts with increased criminal activity, but this is not defined by the Muslim population. Fact is, if you are an American of say South American origin or Asian decent, you are in greater danger walking through parts of East Germany than as a Caucasian walking through Muslim dominates parts in West Germany. Even a Jew is probably in bigger danger in East Germany.

That may be true in regard to Germany's law inforcement forces lack of humor.... Apart from that new year's in Koln..

 

Sweden, France (now realy attempting to do something)...

And Belgium - which to my own personal opinion is "lost" - meaning - will collaps from the EU country it is - to something else. The birth ratio tells the story. 1.2 children per couple will not be able to keep Belgium Belge, for more than 30 to 50 years from now, depending on who and how many child makers will come into Belgium in the future. Nederland is already struggling to finance education for the growing numbers of young Muslims there..

Germany is big and strong. So is France... The rest? We'll have to wait and see..

Edited March 27, 2016 by DADI

[Marek Tucan]

Belgium will collapse because the French and Dutch part cannot talk, not because of immigrants. Actually might even be a good idea to have it happen sooner rather than later

[swerve]

Bill,

 

I recall a group like those Pakistani-origin bunches in Rotherham, etc. operating in Bedfordshire long ago, & being pretty well ignored by the police in exactly the same way. That was one of the common factors. The other one was the victims: girls who were vulnerable, the wrong social level, dysfunctional families (I recall some in state care being targeted), etc. The ethnicity of the perpetrators was different, though. They were 100% white.

 

It's a criminal thing, not a racial thing. Some groups may be more prone to doing it, & I wouldn't be surprised if an analysis found that included men of Pakistani origin (& I'd lay bets on travellers as well), but it's far from unique to them, & the response or lack of it of the police (& these days, the CPS) can't be attributed solely, or necessarily at all, to their ethnicity. In the past it was due to police prejudices against the victims, & everything I've read about the Rotherham & other cases suggests that's still going on. Did you read the reports? That was all over them - & it's nothing new. It's exactly the way it was 30 years ago, & no doubt 130 years ago.

[DADI]

Oh Dear..

 

Revealed, how UK aid funds TERRORISTS: After yet more budget cuts, another £12bn of your taxes are being splurged on foreign hand-outs for militants, killers, Palestinian palaces and jobs that don't exist

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510827/Revealed-UK-aid-funds-TERRORISTS-budget-cuts-12bn-taxes-splurged-foreign-hand-outs-militants-killers-Palestinian-palaces-jobs-don-t-exist.html

 

No direct or indirect connection, to recent attacks, of course... Just cynical.

Edited March 27, 2016 by DADI

[Simon Tan]

Those were the nice neighbourhoods of BMo.......

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

 

Come on Bill, thats not fair and you know it. I know full well that it was a Pakistani clique that undertook those attacks and never as best I can recall suggested it was not. My main problem is that the claim was 'well what you you expect of socialists'. Which unfortunately overlooked historic complaints under Conservative Governments that were also completely ignored.

 

As for why, well it was not a no go area. It would be more accurate to call it cant be arsed area, just like the one that killed Bijan Ebrahmi. You dont need conspiracy to explain it. apathy and incompetence, sadly not that uncommon in regional police forces these day are more than adequate. Did a racial bias also play a part? Probably. Though one cant help but think that was just one more excuse for not really wanted to be bothered by anything more difficult than parking violations.

 

As I illustrate, a first rate example of local bobbies who just really couldnt be arsed to do their job probably.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280

 

Sorry mate, but my comment is both fair and accurate and you are dissembling. You actually argued very vociferously that the fact the abusers were predominantly of Pakistani origin and pretty much exclusively Moslem preying almost exclusively on non-Moslem minors was either irrelevant or coincidence as I recall: I assume you have reconsidered that now the findings of numerous court convictions has conclusively proven that ethnicity and religion was actually the primary unifying and motivating factor. Ref the stuff about the political angle, neither is it a coincidence that the most egregious examples of the latter occurred under the auspices of Labour run local authorities and Labour Westminster constituencies, if only because multi-culti and PC hold the most sway there. The result was that the child services, social services and any other department wilfully and deliberately put PC before principles or even legality, a fact acknowledged by former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer, who tried unsuccessfully to raise the issue a decade or more ago and got sat on by those very same tendencies for her trouble.

 

As for the bit about the cops, I'm far from being a fan of Plod but this cannot be written off as solely a matter of idleness or incompetence, it goes much deeper than that. The Constables and Sergeants on the pointy end don't get to decide what they will or will not pursue. That comes from higher up the CoC, and those setting the priorities are as much if not more politicians than cops, not least due to the naked political jockeying by ACPO or whatever it's called now and the infiltration by Common Purpose. The reason this stuff was allowed to go unchallenged is because the senior Plod didn't want to rock the boat with their local and national political masters, and because even the suggestion of not being sufficiently PC was career death; in short they too put PC (excuse the pun) before principle or legality and obliged their subordinates to do the same. That's not just my conclusion, it's also the view of the Casey Report into what happened in Rotherham, and that is pretty much a blueprint for all the other cases too. That too is far more insidious and dangerous than mere idleness & incompetence.

 

BillB

 

Bill, if you can point to an occasion when I suggested that it was irrelevant that it was a pakistani community, Ill retract my comment. But I can recall discussing this at least once with you and E5m and suggesting (a point I stand by) that Socialists running the local council that was irrelevant, but that it had happened on at least 2 different Governments watch.If you can point to the post Id appreciate having my memory refreshed, because Ive absolutely no recognition of what you remember.

 

its not about politics, Is about people doing their fucking job and enforcing the law. Its written down for them, it cant be that hard for police to be unpopular. They had plenty of practice at it.

 

Mate, I've neither the time nor inclination to go back digging through old threads to prove you said what you now claim to have no recollection of. I'll just say it's not the kind of thing I'd have misremembered if I bothered my arse to get involved discussing it in the first place.

 

Ref the rest, you are still dissembling because it is all about politics at root. It is indeed a matter of people doing their job, but that extends to the social services et al who in a large part actually guide the actions of Plod in this kind of thing. And the irrefutable fact is that it is predominantly Labour (and therefore socialist) local authorities under which this stuff has gone on because Labour authorities are more ideologically oriented toward PC and all its attendant nonsense, irrespective of who was running the national show down in Westminster; again, this isn't just me, there are shedloads of serving and former Labour MPs and councillors saying the same on the record as even a cursory google search shows.

 

Furthermore, the example of Ann Cryer MP shows that the last Labour Westminster administration was equally happy to sit on child abuse as the Labour local authorities for reasons of political expedience, specifically to ensure Labour would retain the Moslem vote; remember back in 2005 when Judge Richard Mawrey likened our postal vote system to that of a banana republic and recent events in Tower Hamlets show the same kind of fiddling is still rife in Labour controlled areas and with the tacit or open support of high profile Labour politicians; have a look at the biraderi system to see how & why: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3181851.stm. Oh, and ref your attempt to implicate Conservative government in child abuse, I think that falls a bit flat given that the lid finally got lifted on Cameron & Clegg's watch, and more importantly given that Plod have finally and grudgingly admitted that the unsupported rambling accusations of a serial fantasist don't really count as evidence even with the backing of Jeremy Corbyn's string puller in chief...

 

BillB

 

Mate, I dont particularly like it being implied I have a selective memory. If I say I dont have any recollecton of it, it either means you are wrong and are misremembering , or my memory is shot, which is alway possible. Im always honest in what I say and think Bill, so I would appreciate your not implying I play mind games just to win arguments. I either remember or I dont. End of.

 

Neither do I Stuart. And my memory is most certainly not shot. End of.

 

BillB

 

 

Fine Bill, I guess im a liar then like you imply.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Oh Dear..

 

Revealed, how UK aid funds TERRORISTS: After yet more budget cuts, another £12bn of your taxes are being splurged on foreign hand-outs for militants, killers, Palestinian palaces and jobs that don't exist

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510827/Revealed-UK-aid-funds-TERRORISTS-budget-cuts-12bn-taxes-splurged-foreign-hand-outs-militants-killers-Palestinian-palaces-jobs-don-t-exist.html

 

No direct or indirect connection, to recent attacks, of course... Just cynical.

 

Got another source? I mean it is the Heil on Sunday, not that im a particularly cynical person of course....

[seahawk]

That is about help to Palestine, help that is essential to keep the whole population from turning into terrorists. Sure they have more civil servants than they could ever need and build things they never need, but it keeps the people employed, it keeps the families fed and it keeps the local businesses alive, which all helps to keep the people from coming into a position in which they have nothing to lose and are willing to collect their heavenly reward by blowing themselves up.

[Soren Ras]

Please be mindful of those lengthy nested quotes.

 

--

Soren

[JasonJ]

There are 10 naked lady water fountains.

[Stuart Galbraith]

There are 10 naked lady water fountains.

Im still not seeing a downside here.

[JasonJ]

 

There are 10 naked lady water fountains.

Im still not seeing a downside here.

 

 

Just counting

Not advocating their take down like the Christian crosses in China.

[DADI]

That is about help to Palestine, help that is essential to keep the whole population from turning into terrorists. Sure they have more civil servants than they could ever need and build things they never need, but it keeps the people employed, it keeps the families fed and it keeps the local businesses alive, which all helps to keep the people from coming into a position in which they have nothing to lose and are willing to collect their heavenly reward by blowing themselves up.

Because 'they don't know any better'?

You don't feed them - they'll explode.

Nothing about taking responsibilty over their lives, future and establishment.

And yes - Paying ones family a monthly salary - IS insentive to become a Shahid.. Surely less hard than to make good grades in high school...

 

Not realy a moral high ground, if you ask me.

 

That worked out just fine. Let us duplicate the positive outcome to Syria, Libya, Iraq, Sudan...

 

(I can't believe that people don't see anything rotten in payment for killers).

Edited March 27, 2016 by DADI

[DADI]

 

 

Oh Dear..

 

Revealed, how UK aid funds TERRORISTS: After yet more budget cuts, another £12bn of your taxes are being splurged on foreign hand-outs for militants, killers, Palestinian palaces and jobs that don't exist

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510827/Revealed-UK-aid-funds-TERRORISTS-budget-cuts-12bn-taxes-splurged-foreign-hand-outs-militants-killers-Palestinian-palaces-jobs-don-t-exist.html

 

No direct or indirect connection, to recent attacks, of course... Just cynical.

Got another source? I mean it is the Heil on Sunday, not that im a particularly cynical person of course....

I don't understand why another source is needed... This has been going on for years. Nothing new, other than someone taking notice, that I'm sure will pass...

[Roman Alymov]

Bill,

 

I recall a group like those Pakistani-origin bunches in Rotherham, etc. operating in Bedfordshire long ago, & being pretty well ignored by the police in exactly the same way. That was one of the common factors. The other one was the victims: girls who were vulnerable, the wrong social level, dysfunctional families (I recall some in state care being targeted), etc. The ethnicity of the perpetrators was different, though. They were 100% white.

 

It's a criminal thing, not a racial thing. Some groups may be more prone to doing it, & I wouldn't be surprised if an analysis found that included men of Pakistani origin (& I'd lay bets on travellers as well), but it's far from unique to them, & the response or lack of it of the police (& these days, the CPS) can't be attributed solely, or necessarily at all, to their ethnicity. In the past it was due to police prejudices against the victims, & everything I've read about the Rotherham & other cases suggests that's still going on. Did you read the reports? That was all over them - & it's nothing new. It's exactly the way it was 30 years ago, & no doubt 130 years ago.

I have to agree here: here in Russia we got organized criminal groups of many ethnic backgrounds - including, for example, Armenians - first officially Christian nation on the planet, once most educated nationality of USSR (highest % of university degrees per '000). And they do criminal business, harass girls (few years ago there was even terrible case of acid attack on small town beauty queen ordered by local Armenian criminal man because she turned down his proposal) and so on. Not all of them are criminals of course - mostly they are good people, making especially good doctors by the way.

More over, first bombing in Moscow metro was done in 1970th by Armenian nationalists (or, to be correct, one nationalist and two youngsters he radicalized)

[rmgill]

The question Roman, is not whether insular immigrant or ethnic populations sub divided within your nation may or may not get involved in criminal activity, but the question is whether it will be tolerated due to Political Correctness. Somehow I doubt soviet authorities in 1970s were all that politically correct when dealing with an ethnic group that got too froggy.

Irish and Italian criminal groups eventually integrated to a large degree. We still have the Mob but that's NOT been allowed to run rampant due to PC issues. The problem we're seeing in places where PC rears it's head is that authorities steer clear or give greater latitude to the group because of the PC values. The insular nature of the sub-group further feeds in on it as they don't deal with the police when there's an issue within their own community.

I rather imagine it's like the urban ghetto in the US but with a religious component and a stronger lashing out at the other component, with infidels being the 'other'. Ghetto shitheads certainly prey upon anyone that decide is worth the risk but they're hardly organized beyond very short term goals. Not so the islamist groups who are making a very large splash with their body counts.

[Stuart Galbraith]

The question Roman, is not whether insular immigrant or ethnic populations sub divided within your nation may or may not get involved in criminal activity, but the question is whether it will be tolerated due to Political Correctness. Somehow I doubt soviet authorities in 1970s were all that politically correct when dealing with an ethnic group that got too froggy.

 

Irish and Italian criminal groups eventually integrated to a large degree. We still have the Mob but that's NOT been allowed to run rampant due to PC issues. The problem we're seeing in places where PC rears it's head is that authorities steer clear or give greater latitude to the group because of the PC values. The insular nature of the sub-group further feeds in on it as they don't deal with the police when there's an issue within their own community.

 

I rather imagine it's like the urban ghetto in the US but with a religious component and a stronger lashing out at the other component, with infidels being the 'other'. Ghetto shitheads certainly prey upon anyone that decide is worth the risk but they're hardly organized beyond very short term goals. Not so the islamist groups who are making a very large splash with their body counts.

Or to be accurate, not now it isnt. As you know in the 1950s Hoover refused to touch the Mafia, and even officially refused to acknowledge it existed. The turning point was somewhere between a mafia conference that was exposed by a local law enforcement group (I forget where that was because the result, chasing tuxedoed mafia hoods through the woods was absolutely hilarious) and Robert Kennedy making it his personal mission to take them down. That and Valachis testimony to congress. Hoover didnt tackle it for years. Why? Well probably not political correctness. It was more likely due to not wanting to see his beloved FBI sullied by dealing with an organisation he probably suspected he wouldnt beat. The italian racial issue was a side issue perhaps. In fact one of the members of the Mafia (I forget his name but he was associatd with making The Godfather) was even using an italian american organisation to fight against FBI harrassment. So its not an identical problem to that which has occured in Europe, but its not wholly dissimilar either.

 

Credit to the FBI, they did a damn good job throughout the 80s at turning it all around. But that was over 30 years of inconsequential action before it occured.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Now its the turn of the Neo Nazi's.

http://news.sky.com/story/1667909/riot-police-confront-mob-in-brussels-square

 

Riot Police Confront Mob In Brussels Square

Water cannon are fired to disperse hundreds of suspected far-right protesters chanting nationalist and anti-immigrant slogans.

 

Riot police have been deployed following angry scenes at the Brussels square where tributes have been left to Tuesday's terror victims.

Police fired water cannon to disperse hundreds of suspected far-right protesters who disrupted a peaceful gathering at the Place De La Bourse.

The protesters, many of them dressed in black and wearing balaclavas, chanted nationalist and anti-immigrants slogans as they made their way into the square.

"This is our home" and "The state, Daesh accomplice," they shouted in unison, referring to the so-called Islamic State group which said it carried out for Tuesday's twin attacks.

Several members of the crowd unfurled a large banner with an anti-IS message on the steps of the Brussels Stock Exchange.

 

(It was 'Fuck ISIS' in case anyone wonders)

A number of the protesters then set off firecrackers and threw signs as they were confronted by police.

Around 10 people were arrested at the scene, police said.

A March Against Fear had been due to take place at the square, which has become a shrine to the 28 victims of the attacks.

It was called off by the event organisers after Belgium's interior minister urged protesters not to attend, saying police were too stretched.

Hundreds of people were nevertheless gathered to pay their final respects when the protesters invaded.

Sky's Enda Brady, who is in the Place De La Bourse, said protesters have now been cleared out of the area and the atmosphere is calm.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith

[Sikkiyn]

A case where Nazi's are the answer and not the problem?

[Stuart Galbraith]

One might think, right up to the point when they started walking all over the flowers laid on behalf of the murdered, and started giving Nazi salutes to each other.

 

OTOH, if they want to go out to Syria and get killed on my behalf, I for one am not going to argue.

[DADI]

Bad news from Pakistan:

"LAHORE: A suicide bomber blew himself up outside a park in a densely populated area of the metropolis, killing at least 69 people and injuring over 300 others, police and rescue official said on Sunday.

 

The blast place took place just outside the exit gate and a few feet away from children´s swings at the Allama Iqbal Park in Iqbal Town, the police said.

 

The dead and injured, most of them women and children, were shifted to various hospitals where an emergency was declared after the blast."

 

http://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/108378-69-killed-over-300-injured-in-Lahore-suicide-blast

Edited March 27, 2016 by DADI