120 Dead In Paris

[swerve]

We dumped a lot of German & Austrian Jews who'd fled the Nazis on the Isle of Man for a while, until it was realised they weren't exactly likely to support the Nazi state. Most of the non-Jewish internees were also let out by 1942.

 

Has the Glasgow murder been mentioned here?

 

Devout Muslim shopkeeper (he used to shut his shop briefly for prayers) who had a habit of putting up good wishes notices for Christian festivals & 'the beloved Christian nation' (don't know if also did it for other religions) was murdered, apparently by a Muslim extremist who objected to his friendliness to non-Muslims. The victim had put a message on Facebook advertising an interfaith meeting. The murderer may also have objected to the Ahmadi sect the victim belonged to.

Edited March 26, 2016 by swerve

[Stuart Galbraith]

We dumped a lot of German & Austrian Jews who'd fled the Nazis on the Isle of Man for a while, until it was realised they weren't exactly likely to support the Nazi state. Most of the non-Jewish internees were also let out by 1942.

 

Has the Glasgow murder been mentioned here?

 

Devout Muslim shopkeeper (he used to shut his shop briefly for prayers) who had a habit of putting up good wishes notices for Christian festivals & 'the beloved Christian nation' (don't know if also did it for other religions) was murdered, apparently by a Muslim extremist who objected to his friendliness to non-Muslims. The victim had put a message on Facebook advertising an interfaith meeting. The murderer may also have objected to the Ahmadi sect the victim belonged to.

 

 

No not yet, I meant to post that up, and it clearly is relevant. Further to what you have posted.

http://news.sky.com/story/1667090/shopkeeper-death-religiously-prejudiced

Shopkeeper Death 'Religiously Prejudiced'

A vigil is held for a Muslim shopkeeper who died in an attack hours after wishing a happy Easter to "my beloved Christian nation".

 

Hundreds of people - including Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon - have attended a vigil to honour a respected shopkeeper killed in what police are treating as a "religiously prejudiced" attack.

Asad Shah, 40, was found with serious injuries on Thursday night after being attacked outside his shop, Shah's Newsagent and Convenience Store, in the Shawlands area of Glasgow.

He was taken to Queen Elizabeth University Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

A 32-year-old man has been arrested in connection with Mr Shah's death.

Mr Shah was attacked outside his shop

Police Scotland said: "A full investigation is under way to establish the circumstances surrounding the death which is being treated as religiously prejudiced."

It has emerged that Mr Shah, a devout Muslim, posted a heartfelt Easter message on Facebook just hours before his death.

The message reads: "Good Friday and a very Happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation.

"Let's follow the real footstep of beloved holy Jesus Christ and get the real success in both worlds."

After the vigil, Ms Sturgeon, whose constituency covers the area, tweeted: "Moved to be one of hundreds tonight as Shawlands united in grief for Asad Shah and support for his family."

One of the vigil organisers, Eildon Dyer, said: "It was very respectful. There were a lot of people clearly very upset. There were a lot of tears and lots and lots of flowers.

People lay flowers close to the scene of the attack

"Everybody has said he was the nicest man. He was clearly much-loved. Everybody had nice stories to tell about him and warm stories. It's just very, very sad."

People in the area have described Mr Shah as a "pillar of the community".

Isabella Graham, 64, said Mr Shah employed her daughter at the shop when she was younger and that she cried when she called her to say what had happened.

She said: "He was an amazing, wonderful man, he couldn't do enough for you. He wouldn't hurt anybody. Nobody in Shawlands would have a bad word to say about him.

"I can't believe he's gone."

Meanwhile, a fund-raising page set up on the GoFundMe website in support of Mr Shah's family has raised more than £14,000.

 

 

 

IMHO, Mr Shah is exactly the kind of person we want in this country. He clearly 'got' what British values are all about.

Edited March 26, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith

[Mobius]

 

Personaly, I did not think GB lacked either, just suffering from that paralizing disease as we mentioned befor (a disease shared by most of the western world - even Israel - but have become terminal in certain countries such as Belgium or Sweden).

You know why Muslims, in Muslim neighborhoods, do not spit out the Imams who convince their young to join DAESH - Operatives who use them as a shield and hiding place from law inforcement?

You know why?

Because the government does not and will not protect them from the revenge of Allah executed by some low life across the street. Because No-GO-Zones exist in the mind of every police man in Brussels or Malmo.

Muslims are the main victims, by great numbers, of Muslim terror. With no comparison to any other group.

That is true in regard to every Muslim terror organization ever - From the PLO to Hizballah, Hamas to IJ, from AQ to the Taliban and DAESH to Boko Haram.

 

 

The rise of Daesh is said to have been caused by the US pulling out of Iraq. That DAesh fills the vacuum of power. These no-go zone Muslim neighborhoods are vacuums of power all over the EU. What do you suppose will fill those vacuums?

[swerve]

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

[sunday]

 

We dumped a lot of German & Austrian Jews who'd fled the Nazis on the Isle of Man for a while, until it was realised they weren't exactly likely to support the Nazi state. Most of the non-Jewish internees were also let out by 1942.

 

Has the Glasgow murder been mentioned here?

(...)

 

No not yet, I meant to post that up, and it clearly is relevant. Further to what you have posted.

(...)

 

Ahem...

 

http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41217&page=11&do=findComment&comment=1233998

Edited March 26, 2016 by sunday

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

We dumped a lot of German & Austrian Jews who'd fled the Nazis on the Isle of Man for a while, until it was realised they weren't exactly likely to support the Nazi state. Most of the non-Jewish internees were also let out by 1942.

 

Has the Glasgow murder been mentioned here?

(...)

 

No not yet, I meant to post that up, and it clearly is relevant. Further to what you have posted.

(...)

 

Ahem...

 

http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41217&page=11&do=findComment&comment=1233998

 

Sorry fella missed that.

 

As I say, a tragedy. Though one can see elements of the community are trying to assimilate.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

[BillB]

Because the folks in Birmingham are useful to western cultural Marxists. Western culture and society are their greatest enemies above all else.

Mate, if you are going to come out with statements like that at least do your own research rather than parroting what clueless asshat politicians or journos tell you (can't remember which sub-species came out with the stuff bout Brum). The folk & phenomena I think you are referring to hail from points north and north-east of Brum and were the centre of the child racially motivated sexual abuse scandals that broke recently and are ongoing IIRC.

 

Agree about the cultural Marxist bit though, and the epicentre of that nonsense is actually over the water from here in Germany, which is busy undergoing national and cultural suicide as we speak.

 

BillB

[DADI]

 

 

The rise of Daesh is said to have been caused by the US pulling out of Iraq. That DAesh fills the vacuum of power. These no-go zone Muslim neighborhoods are vacuums of power all over the EU. What do you suppose will fill those vacuums?

 

 

Good question... I'm not sure.

 

Some problems can't be solved,but postponed - Like heart desease - You can die now - You can take a pill or have a painfull surgery - Your choice.

 

I'd like to challenge two assumptions I think are at the base of your question:

1. That there is a real substatial difference between DAESH and AQ, Hizballah or any other Muslim terror group that has been active in the last 80 years.

 

2. That law inforcement No-Go-Zones (or anything short of that - as long as we agree that if you commit a crime you are much more likely to be arrested, pay fine or whatever, than anyone commiting the same crime in one of these place, against someone else there, you need an army just to hand the ticket) are a force of nature.

 

My answer is this:

1. There isn't. They represent different evolvement stages... All of these stages existed in the past, the same middle ages past they all want to return to.

They all operate smart bombs in the form of suicide bombers - and have been doing that for decades.

 

2. They aren't, They are created by the state and police lack of resolve, that old "under the carpet" sort of thing, with that good old fasion spice called "racism"....No,no, no.. Not that hate thing. The little sentiment that accepts bad behaviour from those who "don't know better".

"As long as it's "their neghborhood", "their internal issues"... "their..", They won't turn on their kind hosts, will they?

 

Hold them responsible, for their actions and for lack of it. Inflict the law by any means... Show them that violence in their streets, is as un acceptable and will be dealt with by force, exactly as it would be on your street.

You can't defeat DAESH/AQ/IJ/BH... in the minds of people. You can defeat their motivation to act in their name - NOW.

When will that happen? When they'll know they are likely to be caught. Their families to pay some sort of price for their actions.

 

I took a walk one day, to the British cemetary in Haifa. How many British mandate officials were killed, for trying to read the water meter in Jenin....

You think all water bills in England are paid today?

Edited March 26, 2016 by DADI

[shep854]

DADI, can you post your source regarding the Israeli/Palestinian Facebook posts? Not doubting you; I'd like to read up on it.

[shep854]

Oops--double post

Edited March 26, 2016 by shep854

[BillB]

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

[BillB]

 

Forcible repatriation? Sure. Try making that work. The EU has already got legislation to deport refugees, and predictably it fell at the first hurdle. The Greeks understandably dont want to be painted as culpable.

I wonder who is going to explain to EU citizen of Arabic or Pakistani origin, serving in police or army, why his brother's family got to be deported out of Europe back into poverty and even hunger. Too late for deportations - i remember being shocked by all-black-skin guards in Tower of London. No single white soldier (may be just coincidence this day, but still far from Victorian books image). P.S. Still Yeoman giving the tour was white and looked like retired specops guy (and he mentioned serving for 20+ years in Army)

 

Sorry mate, no problem with your overall point but am calling bullshit on an all-black Guards detachment at the Tower or anywhere else. Watch the Trooping of the Colour ceremony and you will see just the occasional black face in the ranks, and nowhere near enough to put together an all-black detachment even if the powers-that-be-were so inclined.

 

BillB

[DADI]

DADI, can you post your source regarding the Israeli/Palestinian Facebook posts? Not doubting you; I'd like to read up on it.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/When-it-comes-to-incitement-is-Facebook-biased-against-Israel-439436

 

http://israellawcenter.org/legal_action/lakin-v-facebook/

[seahawk]

At least in Germany no-go areas are generally still more secure than low income parts of larger US cities preferred by African Americans.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

 

Come on Bill, thats not fair and you know it. I know full well that it was a Pakistani clique that undertook those attacks and never as best I can recall suggested it was not. My main problem is that the claim was 'well what you you expect of socialists'. Which unfortunately overlooked historic complaints under Conservative Governments that were also completely ignored.

 

As for why, well it was not a no go area. It would be more accurate to call it cant be arsed area, just like the one that killed Bijan Ebrahmi. You dont need conspiracy to explain it. apathy and incompetence, sadly not that uncommon in regional police forces these day are more than adequate. Did a racial bias also play a part? Probably. Though one cant help but think that was just one more excuse for not really wanted to be bothered by anything more difficult than parking violations.

 

As I illustrate, a first rate example of local bobbies who just really couldnt be arsed to do their job probably.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280

[Panzermann]

beep

Edited March 26, 2016 by Panzermann

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

Forcible repatriation? Sure. Try making that work. The EU has already got legislation to deport refugees, and predictably it fell at the first hurdle. The Greeks understandably dont want to be painted as culpable.

I wonder who is going to explain to EU citizen of Arabic or Pakistani origin, serving in police or army, why his brother's family got to be deported out of Europe back into poverty and even hunger. Too late for deportations - i remember being shocked by all-black-skin guards in Tower of London. No single white soldier (may be just coincidence this day, but still far from Victorian books image). P.S. Still Yeoman giving the tour was white and looked like retired specops guy (and he mentioned serving for 20+ years in Army)

 

Sorry mate, no problem with your overall point but am calling bullshit on an all-black Guards detachment at the Tower or anywhere else. Watch the Trooping of the Colour ceremony and you will see just the occasional black face in the ranks, and nowhere near enough to put together an all-black detachment even if the powers-that-be-were so inclined.

 

BillB

 

I wonder if he perhaps mixed it up with this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-469556/Jamaicans-guard-Buckingham-Palace.html

[BillB]

 

 

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

 

Come on Bill, thats not fair and you know it. I know full well that it was a Pakistani clique that undertook those attacks and never as best I can recall suggested it was not. My main problem is that the claim was 'well what you you expect of socialists'. Which unfortunately overlooked historic complaints under Conservative Governments that were also completely ignored.

 

As for why, well it was not a no go area. It would be more accurate to call it cant be arsed area, just like the one that killed Bijan Ebrahmi. You dont need conspiracy to explain it. apathy and incompetence, sadly not that uncommon in regional police forces these day are more than adequate. Did a racial bias also play a part? Probably. Though one cant help but think that was just one more excuse for not really wanted to be bothered by anything more difficult than parking violations.

 

As I illustrate, a first rate example of local bobbies who just really couldnt be arsed to do their job probably.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280

 

Sorry mate, but my comment is both fair and accurate and you are dissembling. You actually argued very vociferously that the fact the abusers were predominantly of Pakistani origin and pretty much exclusively Moslem preying almost exclusively on non-Moslem minors was either irrelevant or coincidence as I recall: I assume you have reconsidered that now the findings of numerous court convictions has conclusively proven that ethnicity and religion was actually the primary unifying and motivating factor. Ref the stuff about the political angle, neither is it a coincidence that the most egregious examples of the latter occurred under the auspices of Labour run local authorities and Labour Westminster constituencies, if only because multi-culti and PC hold the most sway there. The result was that the child services, social services and any other department wilfully and deliberately put PC before principles or even legality, a fact acknowledged by former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer, who tried unsuccessfully to raise the issue a decade or more ago and got sat on by those very same tendencies for her trouble.

 

As for the bit about the cops, I'm far from being a fan of Plod but this cannot be written off as solely a matter of idleness or incompetence, it goes much deeper than that. The Constables and Sergeants on the pointy end don't get to decide what they will or will not pursue. That comes from higher up the CoC, and those setting the priorities are as much if not more politicians than cops, not least due to the naked political jockeying by ACPO or whatever it's called now and the infiltration by Common Purpose. The reason this stuff was allowed to go unchallenged is because the senior Plod didn't want to rock the boat with their local and national political masters, and because even the suggestion of not being sufficiently PC was career death; in short they too put PC (excuse the pun) before principle or legality and obliged their subordinates to do the same. That's not just my conclusion, it's also the view of the Casey Report into what happened in Rotherham, and that is pretty much a blueprint for all the other cases too. That too is far more insidious and dangerous than mere idleness & incompetence.

 

BillB

[BillB]

 

 

 

Forcible repatriation? Sure. Try making that work. The EU has already got legislation to deport refugees, and predictably it fell at the first hurdle. The Greeks understandably dont want to be painted as culpable.

I wonder who is going to explain to EU citizen of Arabic or Pakistani origin, serving in police or army, why his brother's family got to be deported out of Europe back into poverty and even hunger. Too late for deportations - i remember being shocked by all-black-skin guards in Tower of London. No single white soldier (may be just coincidence this day, but still far from Victorian books image). P.S. Still Yeoman giving the tour was white and looked like retired specops guy (and he mentioned serving for 20+ years in Army)

 

Sorry mate, no problem with your overall point but am calling bullshit on an all-black Guards detachment at the Tower or anywhere else. Watch the Trooping of the Colour ceremony and you will see just the occasional black face in the ranks, and nowhere near enough to put together an all-black detachment even if the powers-that-be-were so inclined.

 

BillB

 

I wonder if he perhaps mixed it up with this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-469556/Jamaicans-guard-Buckingham-Palace.html

 

Lol! That would certainly explain it.

 

BillB

[DADI]

At least in Germany no-go areas are generally still more secure than low income parts of larger US cities preferred by African Americans.

Not to mention the "low income parts" of Rio De Janeiro... Apart from that annoying terror thing that sometimes acure outside of those areas - Theatres, Air-Ports, Markets, Coffee Shops etc.

Surely you remember the "low income parts" of Hamburg and their effect on the WTC 9/11.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

 

 

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

 

Come on Bill, thats not fair and you know it. I know full well that it was a Pakistani clique that undertook those attacks and never as best I can recall suggested it was not. My main problem is that the claim was 'well what you you expect of socialists'. Which unfortunately overlooked historic complaints under Conservative Governments that were also completely ignored.

 

As for why, well it was not a no go area. It would be more accurate to call it cant be arsed area, just like the one that killed Bijan Ebrahmi. You dont need conspiracy to explain it. apathy and incompetence, sadly not that uncommon in regional police forces these day are more than adequate. Did a racial bias also play a part? Probably. Though one cant help but think that was just one more excuse for not really wanted to be bothered by anything more difficult than parking violations.

 

As I illustrate, a first rate example of local bobbies who just really couldnt be arsed to do their job probably.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280

 

Sorry mate, but my comment is both fair and accurate and you are dissembling. You actually argued very vociferously that the fact the abusers were predominantly of Pakistani origin and pretty much exclusively Moslem preying almost exclusively on non-Moslem minors was either irrelevant or coincidence as I recall: I assume you have reconsidered that now the findings of numerous court convictions has conclusively proven that ethnicity and religion was actually the primary unifying and motivating factor. Ref the stuff about the political angle, neither is it a coincidence that the most egregious examples of the latter occurred under the auspices of Labour run local authorities and Labour Westminster constituencies, if only because multi-culti and PC hold the most sway there. The result was that the child services, social services and any other department wilfully and deliberately put PC before principles or even legality, a fact acknowledged by former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer, who tried unsuccessfully to raise the issue a decade or more ago and got sat on by those very same tendencies for her trouble.

 

As for the bit about the cops, I'm far from being a fan of Plod but this cannot be written off as solely a matter of idleness or incompetence, it goes much deeper than that. The Constables and Sergeants on the pointy end don't get to decide what they will or will not pursue. That comes from higher up the CoC, and those setting the priorities are as much if not more politicians than cops, not least due to the naked political jockeying by ACPO or whatever it's called now and the infiltration by Common Purpose. The reason this stuff was allowed to go unchallenged is because the senior Plod didn't want to rock the boat with their local and national political masters, and because even the suggestion of not being sufficiently PC was career death; in short they too put PC (excuse the pun) before principle or legality and obliged their subordinates to do the same. That's not just my conclusion, it's also the view of the Casey Report into what happened in Rotherham, and that is pretty much a blueprint for all the other cases too. That too is far more insidious and dangerous than mere idleness & incompetence.

 

BillB

 

Bill, if you can point to an occasion when I suggested that it was irrelevant that it was a pakistani community, Ill retract my comment. But I can recall discussing this at least once with you and E5m and suggesting (a point I stand by) that Socialists running the local council that was irrelevant, but that it had happened on at least 2 different Governments watch.If you can point to the post Id appreciate having my memory refreshed, because Ive absolutely no recognition of what you remember.

 

its not about politics, Is about people doing their fucking job and enforcing the law. Its written down for them, it cant be that hard for police to be unpopular. They had plenty of practice at it.

[DB]

I know a couple of Metropolitan police officers.

 

I am fairly sure that, of all the problems they face when attempting to perform their jobs, a map with no-go areas on it doesn't feature.

 

Getting the Criminal Protection Service to take on cases when there are certain circumstances that make cases a bit more complicated is a far bigger problem, as is 20 year old IT, seat warmers and senior management more interested in MBAs than policing.

 

(Complications for the CPS include defendants from multiple minority groups, those with mental health issues and anything where there isn't actual 1080p live coverage of the incident showing the perp's face full on, etc.)*

 

(*) may be exaggerating slightly for effect.

[BillB]

 

 

 

 

 

Beware talking about no-go Muslim neighbourhoods. They're far rarer than many USians imagine. I recall being told by a US politician that this was a no-go Muslim neighbourhood, for example. It certainly wasn't on any of my visits there.

I mean, Im sure there are SOME. Somewhere. The problem is when you ask 'well where are they then' everyone suddenly becomes suddenly reticent. Where are they on a map? Nobody knows.

 

I mean there are places where the police wont go, there clearly are some in Bristol. But thats mainly due to them being lazy tossers. Ive not seen them in my neck of the woods in 12 months either.

 

 

I cant help but think there must be no go areas in America, but I dont hear the Duck go on about those.

 

Yes mate, but it's a bit more subtle than Plod being reticent to venture into geographical areas though, isn't it. I know you like to play the "well child abusers came in every skin hue" card whenever the topic comes up, but the sexual abuse perpetrated against predominantly white non-Moslem minors by Moslem gangs in Brum, Rochdale, Oxford, Reading, Halifax etc etc provides a perfect example of a no-go area. The cops were aware of what was going on as it was reported to them repeatedly, as were the social services and wider local authority departments and nobody lifted a finger because of the ethnic and more importantly religious background of the perpetrators. The no-go area was thus the latter rather than the geographical locations where the abuse took place, and is all the more insidious and dangerous as a result.

 

BillB

 

Come on Bill, thats not fair and you know it. I know full well that it was a Pakistani clique that undertook those attacks and never as best I can recall suggested it was not. My main problem is that the claim was 'well what you you expect of socialists'. Which unfortunately overlooked historic complaints under Conservative Governments that were also completely ignored.

 

As for why, well it was not a no go area. It would be more accurate to call it cant be arsed area, just like the one that killed Bijan Ebrahmi. You dont need conspiracy to explain it. apathy and incompetence, sadly not that uncommon in regional police forces these day are more than adequate. Did a racial bias also play a part? Probably. Though one cant help but think that was just one more excuse for not really wanted to be bothered by anything more difficult than parking violations.

 

As I illustrate, a first rate example of local bobbies who just really couldnt be arsed to do their job probably.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25122280

 

Sorry mate, but my comment is both fair and accurate and you are dissembling. You actually argued very vociferously that the fact the abusers were predominantly of Pakistani origin and pretty much exclusively Moslem preying almost exclusively on non-Moslem minors was either irrelevant or coincidence as I recall: I assume you have reconsidered that now the findings of numerous court convictions has conclusively proven that ethnicity and religion was actually the primary unifying and motivating factor. Ref the stuff about the political angle, neither is it a coincidence that the most egregious examples of the latter occurred under the auspices of Labour run local authorities and Labour Westminster constituencies, if only because multi-culti and PC hold the most sway there. The result was that the child services, social services and any other department wilfully and deliberately put PC before principles or even legality, a fact acknowledged by former Labour MP for Keighley Ann Cryer, who tried unsuccessfully to raise the issue a decade or more ago and got sat on by those very same tendencies for her trouble.

 

As for the bit about the cops, I'm far from being a fan of Plod but this cannot be written off as solely a matter of idleness or incompetence, it goes much deeper than that. The Constables and Sergeants on the pointy end don't get to decide what they will or will not pursue. That comes from higher up the CoC, and those setting the priorities are as much if not more politicians than cops, not least due to the naked political jockeying by ACPO or whatever it's called now and the infiltration by Common Purpose. The reason this stuff was allowed to go unchallenged is because the senior Plod didn't want to rock the boat with their local and national political masters, and because even the suggestion of not being sufficiently PC was career death; in short they too put PC (excuse the pun) before principle or legality and obliged their subordinates to do the same. That's not just my conclusion, it's also the view of the Casey Report into what happened in Rotherham, and that is pretty much a blueprint for all the other cases too. That too is far more insidious and dangerous than mere idleness & incompetence.

 

BillB

 

Bill, if you can point to an occasion when I suggested that it was irrelevant that it was a pakistani community, Ill retract my comment. But I can recall discussing this at least once with you and E5m and suggesting (a point I stand by) that Socialists running the local council that was irrelevant, but that it had happened on at least 2 different Governments watch.If you can point to the post Id appreciate having my memory refreshed, because Ive absolutely no recognition of what you remember.

 

its not about politics, Is about people doing their fucking job and enforcing the law. Its written down for them, it cant be that hard for police to be unpopular. They had plenty of practice at it.

 

Mate, I've neither the time nor inclination to go back digging through old threads to prove you said what you now claim to have no recollection of. I'll just say it's not the kind of thing I'd have misremembered if I bothered my arse to get involved discussing it in the first place.

 

Ref the rest, you are still dissembling because it is all about politics at root. It is indeed a matter of people doing their job, but that extends to the social services et al who in a large part actually guide the actions of Plod in this kind of thing. And the irrefutable fact is that it is predominantly Labour (and therefore socialist) local authorities under which this stuff has gone on because Labour authorities are more ideologically oriented toward PC and all its attendant nonsense, irrespective of who was running the national show down in Westminster; again, this isn't just me, there are shedloads of serving and former Labour MPs and councillors saying the same on the record as even a cursory google search shows.

 

Furthermore, the example of Ann Cryer MP shows that the last Labour Westminster administration was equally happy to sit on child abuse as the Labour local authorities for reasons of political expedience, specifically to ensure Labour would retain the Moslem vote; remember back in 2005 when Judge Richard Mawrey likened our postal vote system to that of a banana republic and recent events in Tower Hamlets show the same kind of fiddling is still rife in Labour controlled areas and with the tacit or open support of high profile Labour politicians; have a look at the biraderi system to see how & why: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3181851.stm. Oh, and ref your attempt to implicate Conservative government in child abuse, I think that falls a bit flat given that the lid finally got lifted on Cameron & Clegg's watch, and more importantly given that Plod have finally and grudgingly admitted that the unsupported rambling accusations of a serial fantasist don't really count as evidence even with the backing of Jeremy Corbyn's string puller in chief...

 

BillB

[DADI]

Saturday night show on T.V...

 

"Belgian police sound like a realy desperate single woman's personal add on Tinder -

Ahh, a man... 23-46 y/o, 165-183cm, wearing a hat, possibly bald, un imployed, living with his parents... Any one.."

 

Joke of course... Joke.

Edited March 26, 2016 by DADI