Heirophant Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I have long wondered about the term "guided rocket". Someone explain to me again why we don't just call say the 70mm FFAR Hydra ohh, I don't know . . . maybe a "missile". The following are examples of colloquial use for battlefield (non-strategic) weapons: Rocket: a projectile that primarily derives its propulsion from a rocket thruster. Usually applied to dumb projectiles. Guided Rocket: A projectile (usually rocket-propelled) that has increased accuracy and precision due to some form of guidance, but which normally targets coordinates on the ground. Ex: Guided MLRS Missile: A projectile (rocket/jet propelled) that actually targets individual, discrete units. Ex. Hellfire, Maverick. So, doesn't the homing (laser-guided) 70mm Hydra come closest to being a "missile", not a "guided rocket"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW Collins Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Technically it would be a missile but the guided rocket term is marketing. They want to highlight that it is a guided version of the Hydra, Zuni, whatever, versus something (presumably larger and more expensive) built from the start to be a missile like Hellfire. Edited October 23, 2015 by JW Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelfe Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 'Homing' is 'autonomous guidance'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 It is because it can be used withoutxa seeker head as a free rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Werb Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 'Homing' is 'autonomous guidance'. Not necessarily. SALH = semi active laser homing. Missile homes in on laser spot. SARH = semi active radar homing. Ditto but with target illuminated by radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olof Larsson Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Another valid question is why guided rockets (Minuteman, Maverick and so on)and guided "flying bombs" (Harpoon, Tomahawk, AMRAAM and so on) are called only missiles. It's a bit like calling all SPAAG's and SPA's only as "vehicles", but not tanks, MLRS and so on. So when did the western world start to use the generic term "missile",for guided rockets and guided "flying bombs"? Was the term "missile", also used for the early guided bombs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep854 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Most likely because they were indeed simple unguided rockets for most of their history, with guidance a very recent add-on. 'Guided missiles' had guidance included from the original concept. The Russian/Soviet use of 'Rockets' for their ICBMs has always sounded odd to my US-ian ear. It's kind of like 'AK-47'. None have been made for decades, but the term has become generic for that particular pattern. Edited October 24, 2015 by shep854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Generally, if it has propulsion and some form of guidance it's a "missile". There are obvious exceptions - AGM-62 Walleye was given the "missile" designation even though it was an unpowered glide weapon. And stick a Shrike rocket motor in the tail of a GBU-16 and it becomes an AGM-123 Skipper II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Confusion. Rockets are propulsion systems. Missiles are weapons that are projected through air and/or space. Proper terminology could be "rocket powered guided missile". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Missile predates guidance, though. A rock is a missile. It's not a guided missile. I suspect that where we are now, calling something a rocket or missile is a distinction that makes no difference. A dictionary definition is clear I think - "missile" and "projectile" are synonyms. The modern usage of "missile" is probably a contraction of "guided missile". http://www.thefreedictionary.com/missile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 In the military sense: Propulsion + payload + guidance system = guided missile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If it is propelled by potential energy (dropped from plane).....is it still a guided missile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olof Larsson Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If it is propelled by potential energy (dropped from plane).....is it still a guided missile? Hence my question if early guided bombs were ever refered to as "missiles" (or rather "guided missiles"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If it is propelled by potential energy (dropped from plane).....is it still a guided missile? No. Laser-guided bombs are just, well, laser-guided bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charles Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 So in essence, a missile has to have its own guidance and independant propulsion?. A rocket has its own independant propulsion. A bomb has neither, but is carried/transported to its target via another means. Corrections please, should I have erred here. Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 There are exceptions, but that's generally accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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