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So the VW diesel scandal seems incredibly... Un-German. All of the English-language coverage I've been reading kind of ignores the major questions -- why the hell did they do that and what made them think they wouldn't eventually get caught? (I bought a tdi golf sportwagen a few months ago and am now beyond pissed off).

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why the hell did they do that and what made them think they wouldn't eventually get caught?

Absolutely. It's astonishing.

Mikel2 Crew

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So VW is going to pay dearly for this. How about the millions of gallons of highly toxic residue the EPA dumped into a river a few weeks ago?

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It's like saying My Lai whatever, how about Hitler? Ok a bit of a stretch but still

 

Well, Hitler did give us the Volkswagen. How many automakers can boast such a heritage? :)

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It's like saying My Lai whatever, how about Hitler? Ok a bit of a stretch but still

 

Seriously, you're comparing the VW scandal to My Lai? For real?

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No, I was saying that it's a mistake to say that a Bad Thing isn't so bad because of another, completely unrelated Bad Thing.

 

If that was in response to my post, it was because the EPA is a party in both incidents. In one case it is the long arm of justice and in the other, it breaks its own laws with no consequences.

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Germany can into funny sausage much better than China:

 

 

Ohhhh, trip down memory lane.

 

On Volkswagen, it's currently not clear at what level the decisions were made, but it's hard to imagine it didn't go rather far to the top. Which might be indicative of putting affordable environmentalism as a marketing ploy way over the top - the selling point being in fact a rather German thing, except of course restrictions are actually tougher in the US and, as we see now, more seriously enforced.

 

The scandal managed to push the refugee crisis from the number one spot in media coverage here, which tells you something (though a number of reasons might be involved, including the former topic reaching saturation and the inititial enthusiasm of the pro-refugee sentiment wearing off). Volkswagen is the German automaker and overall symbol of German industry, and also tightly interwoven with government; the State of Lower Saxony where the headquarters at Wolfsburg is located holds a 20 percent share, and the minister president is on the supervisory board ex officio, governed by a specific federal law. This is a result of the Wolfsburg plant having been a public enterprise in the Third Reich, handed to the State of Lower Saxony by the British High Commission on behalf of the federal government after the war, then privatized as a stock company in 1960.

 

Though I think the predictions of doom for VW, the whole German auto industry or even German industry full stop due to destruction of trust completely overblown. In the end it's "just" another major company caught cheating, which is nothing novel even for Germany; Deutsche Bank also got themselves charged in the US over fraudulently attaining public aid during the last financial crisis, complicity in tax evasion, etc. Corporations have certainly survived major culpable environmental disasters like Exxon Valdez and Deepwater Horizon. Admittedly though my first reaction to the news was "wow, they have a software that recognizes being tested and cheats the test - German inventionism at its finest!" :D

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Admittedly though my first

reaction to the news was "wow, they have a software that recognizes being tested and cheats the

test - German inventionism at its finest!" :D

My first reaction was being mildly unsurprised. Computer hard and software cheat all the time.

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So VW is going to pay dearly for this. How about the millions of gallons of highly toxic residue the EPA dumped into a river a few weeks ago?

 

Well one was an accident (by a contractor) and the other was intentional fraud.

 

Would be the same if the subcontractor who made the emissions software mistakenly had a glitch that only activated the emissions control system during testing. That is not what I understand happened.

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Es kommt aus Deutschland nicht!

 

Or my attempt at German anyway.

Normal usage would be "Es kommt nicht aus Deutschland!"

 

You can put "nicht" at the end of a sentence but that is rather awkward and unusual.

 

Aber sehr gutes Deutsch, Jason Jott! :)

Mr King Crew

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So VW is going to pay dearly for this. How about the millions of gallons of highly toxic residue the EPA dumped into a river a few weeks ago?

 

Well one was an accident (by a contractor) and the other was intentional fraud.

 

Would be the same if the subcontractor who made the emissions software mistakenly had a glitch that only activated the emissions control system during testing. That is not what I understand happened.

 

 

I am sure the EPA would be so understanding if it was a private citizen or business who was responsible for what the EPA did.

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