Because The United Kingdom?

[Roman Alymov]

Accident and Emergency departments tend to be full of morons, often drunk, sometimes drugged, usually too stupid not to have hurt themselves. It's also a regular occurrence for the mentally ill to end up there when they go too far off their meds.

It is also true here in Russia (just yesterday frequent patient of Simferopol hospital Accident and Emergency department attacked stuff with shotgun killing two female nurses and injuring two more). But in this particular case special attention was paid to military uniform .

[urbanoid]

 

 

 

With Western press you have to ask yourself what facts they are not telling you and why.

 

During Soviet times it was called "reading between the lines". Is West now simmilar to late USSR in this respect too?

 

To some extent, yes.

[Panzermann]

Has also to do with aggressive pacifists that spit at soldiers and may even attack them. Because being violent is peaceful.

 

I myself was wearing uniform in public and there was always at least one person responding to the uniform when I walked through town. When I had the time to spare I lectured them that I wore this uniform so that they could have this opinion and freely express their opinion in public without fear. Shut their mouths each and every time.

[Mr King]

 

 

 

With Western press you have to ask yourself what facts they are not telling you and why.

 

During Soviet times it was called "reading between the lines". Is West now simmilar to late USSR in this respect too?

 

 

I don't know if the USSR had legions of brigading social justice warriors, but we are starting to share quite a bit of similarity in fondness for political correctness. Don't you think if you were a "journalist", you would ask the hospital what folks from what cultures exactly does the hospital believe would be offended by a British citizen in uniform in his home country seeking medical treatment?

[DB]

As for "reading between the lines", it's pretty much always been the case.

 

Early on, newspapers maintained a veneer of impartiality on causes by separating reporting from editorial opinion. Except that they never really did, because their story selection policy was agenda driven, even if the stories themselves were well written and objective.

 

At some point, (it's been noticeable to me during the last 30 years or so that it's changed), the line between reporting and editorial has disappeared. Now you read every story firstly in the context of which publication it is printed in, then you look for the established track record of the named "journalist" and then you start to delve into the structure of the story.

 

The Daily Mail is actually very blatant with the spin on their stories, but also very good at actually putting enough correct information into generally avoid lawsuits - the general principle is ignore the headline and ensure that you read the last paragraph of the article, which usually (paraphrased) says "all of the above is bullshit, the truth is here".

 

Then you go to a primary source (say a court proceeding) and discover that the journalist's "truth" is bullshit too, because they scored negative marks on language comprehension.

 

The between the lines reading here is that the staff member asking the soldier to move to a different room was trying to avoid a possible but unlikely situation, knowing that some unpleasant people react to the uniform in an unacceptable manner and that the world moves along much more easily if the uniform can't be seen. It's not a deliberate slight on the soldier, it's a misjudgement of the public reaction to the suggestion, which was triggered entirely by the "victimhood" approach of the soldier's family to be outraged by this treatment. (I've been into a late night A&E only once, I'd have leapt at the opportunity to be put in a room away from the ill people).

[Roman Alymov]

 

 

I don't know if the USSR had legions of brigading social justice warriors, but we are starting to share quite a bit of similarity in fondness for political correctness. Don't you think if you were a "journalist", you would ask the hospital what folks from what cultures exactly does the hospital believe would be offended by a British citizen in uniform in his home country seeking medical treatment?

 

Unfortunatelly they were – analogues of “political correctness” and “social justice” where curse of USSR society long before they became wide spread in West, with people abusing them for personal profit or just out of their ideological view of reality. It started somewhere in mid-1960th, when cruel but realistic Stalin era practices of “we are building heaven on earth, but currently we are going through hell and act accordingly” where replaced with idealistic “let’s pretend USSR is haven on earth now, and always was”.

[Roman Alymov]

We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.

It is more about late-1980th, when everybody in “intelligentia” part of Soviet society was discussing how underplayed they are compared to Western professionals, ignoring to mention how relaxed they are at work, what amount of services and profits they get for free (while Western people pay for them) and so on.

[sunday]

 

 

 

I don't know if the USSR had legions of brigading social justice warriors, but we are starting to share quite a bit of similarity in fondness for political correctness. Don't you think if you were a "journalist", you would ask the hospital what folks from what cultures exactly does the hospital believe would be offended by a British citizen in uniform in his home country seeking medical treatment?

 

Unfortunatelly they were – analogues of “political correctness” and “social justice” where curse of USSR society long before they became wide spread in West, with people abusing them for personal profit or just out of their ideological view of reality. It started somewhere in mid-1960th, when cruel but realistic Stalin era practices of “we are building heaven on earth, but currently we are going through hell and act accordingly” where replaced with idealistic “let’s pretend USSR is haven on earth now, and always was”.

 

 

You should have a look to Vox Day's fine work "SJWs always lie"

[Mike Steele]

 

What is wrong with wearing uniform in hospital?

 

RAF sergeant in uniform moved by hospital to avoid offending other patients http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11892935/RAF-sergeant-in-uniform-moved-by-hospital-to-avoid-offending-other-patients.html

Mark Prendeville, who has served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was moved out of sight of other patients by staff at a Kent hospital

 

With Western press you have to ask yourself what facts they are not telling you and why.

 

Or the Muslim takeover continues apace.... just sayin...

[Panzermann]

Understanding the press:-

The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.

The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country.

The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country.

The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country.

The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country.

The Morning Star is read by people who think the country should be run by another country,

and the Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

Readers of the Sun don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits!!

Don't know where it originally comes from, but gives a good orientation for British press and their bias.

[BillB]

 

Accident and Emergency departments tend to be full of morons, often drunk, sometimes drugged, usually too stupid not to have hurt themselves. It's also a regular occurrence for the mentally ill to end up there when they go too far off their meds.

It is also true here in Russia (just yesterday frequent patient of Simferopol hospital Accident and Emergency department attacked stuff with shotgun killing two female nurses and injuring two more). But in this particular case special attention was paid to military uniform .

 

Might have been drama with adherents of the Religion of Peace, I've heard allegations of similar stuff about Iraq & Afghan casualties since the UK govt decided in its wisdom to get rid of mil hospitals and treat mil casualties in civvy hospitals, altho I've not seen any irrefutable evidence either.

 

OTOH, as DB sez A&E depts tend to be full of nobheads with IQ's lower than their shoe size for whom a uniform is a challenge to test their machismo against a ruftie tuftie soldier person, so it may well have been that.

 

Whatever the reason - and my personal suspicion is that it was some low level lackey implementing H&S/PC rules as they'd been told to by higher authority - IIRC it wasn't the Sergeant who got all shirty but his ex-Guards dad/dad in law getting shirty on his behalf after the even. He's a Sergeant FFS, and should therefore be capable of standing up for himself.

 

Finally, a minor point of order, the Sergeant was an RAF techie of some kind, and is not a soldier. In fact, him being RAF, you could argue he is not a member of the UK Armed Forces at all...

 

BillB

[BillB]

 

Understanding the press:-

The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.

The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country.

The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country.

The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country.

The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country.

The Morning Star is read by people who think the country should be run by another country,

and the Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

Readers of the Sun don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits!!

Don't know where it originally comes from, but gives a good orientation for British press and their bias.

 

Fair one, altho it needs updating a bit:

 

- The Daily Heil is read by the hard of thinking and easily led who insist they aren't,

- The Times & Telegraph are becoming more like tabloids every day,

- The Daily Express is read by people interested in Princess Diana and low-level property prices

- The Sun is read by people who don't care who runs the country as long as the footie & sport coverage is good (because the titty thing is now old hat; same same the Daily Star)

 

And not forgetting up here in Oatmeal Ethnic Land besides the Scots version of most of the above we also have:

 

- The Scotsman read by people who think it's a real broadsheet and that Scotland is ruled by Edinburgh

- The Herald read by people who think it's a real broadsheet and that Scotland is ruled by Glesca

- The Daily Record read by people for who find The Sun technically challenging

- The National, read by people who think the Völkischer Beobachter was a balanced and impartial organ to be emulated

 

BillB

[sunday]

 

Understanding the press:-

The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.

The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country.

The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country.

The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country.

The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country.

The Morning Star is read by people who think the country should be run by another country,

and the Telegraph is read by people who think it is.

Readers of the Sun don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits!!

Don't know where it originally comes from, but gives a good orientation for British press and their bias.

 

 

From Yes, Prime Minister, that political essay camouflaged as TV comedy.

 

https://youtu.be/DGscoaUWW2M

 

[swerve]

 

We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.

It is more about late-1980th, when everybody in “intelligentia” part of Soviet society was discussing how underplayed they are compared to Western professionals, ignoring to mention how relaxed they are at work, what amount of services and profits they get for free (while Western people pay for them) and so on.

 

I recall hearing that old Soviet joke in the 1970s, & I don't think it was new then.

[Simon Tan]

The Daily Record....I had erased that from my memory.....the horror....the horror.

[Roman Alymov]

 

 

We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.

It is more about late-1980th, when everybody in “intelligentia” part of Soviet society was discussing how underplayed they are compared to Western professionals, ignoring to mention how relaxed they are at work, what amount of services and profits they get for free (while Western people pay for them) and so on.

 

I recall hearing that old Soviet joke in the 1970s, & I don't think it was new then.

 

The joke itself is probably as old as working for pay. But feelings like this became almost universal in late-1980th.

[Roman Alymov]

Probably dates back to the Tsar I shouldnt wonder. The growth of corruption in the Tsarist state might have started with their unwillingness to fund far flung Governerships, so they had no choice but to live off bribes and corruption to make ends meet. The Tsar loved it, because he didnt have pay for their upkeep.

No, quite contrary “corruption” is much older than “salary”, at least in Russia. It was common practice in pre-imperial times to put regional officials on “self-funding” from the position they where in , down to grass-root level, when individual “nobles” (de-facto cavalry soldiers) where given small villages to live in and to be feed and supplied by local population, with their greed only limited by lack of legal control (meaning peasants could kill abusive master with good chances nobody will ever find out) and regular “parades” when once in few years each “noble” to produce himself, his horse, his armament and his armed men (if he was obligated to have them) in good shape and ready for battle. Paying with money was sort of new idea for Russia.

[sunday]

Seems the venerable HMS Victory is being Hellokittified.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11908365/Restored-HMS-Victory-raises-eyebrows-with-new-pink-shade.html

[Marek Tucan]

Mountbatten Pink seems to be traditional then?

[Marek Tucan]

In that case... Kiss me, Hardy!

[Ssnake]

Rum, sodomy, and the lash...

[Mikel2]

Seems the venerable HMS Victory is being Hellokittified.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11908365/Restored-HMS-Victory-raises-eyebrows-with-new-pink-shade.html

 

Aren't they making a big leap of faith in that the pink paint hasn't changed color in 200+ years? GM hasn't mastered that technology yet for a few years (not to mention the peeling paint)

 

My UV-discolored '63 Jeep has gone from red to light orange over the years.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Mikel2

[TonyE]

Rum, sodomy, and the lash...

 

YEAH!!!!

 

I see that Marek and Ssnake wrote what i thought but did not type yesterday.

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by TonyE

[Panzermann]

And I thought the Brits had a trust for everything. A National Trust would make things with all those museum ships easier.

 

And which idiot used too fresh oak for ship repair? wtf? Any carpenter can tell you that it is a bad idea.

[Mr King]

I knew a girl who was into BBC