Because The United Kingdom?

[Stuart Galbraith]

12 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Bit of an apples to oranges example, don't you think?

I don't really see a similarity between religious intolerance and legitimate fear of being stabbed to death because your wife's beard isn't long enough. One can be accepted over time. The other probably not so much.

Jews always had a culture of assimilation wherever they were. That's quite different from the demonstrations for the islamization and creation of a Sharia state across Europe.

If there is cultural incompatibility, people have the right to not have that forced upon them. It always created tensions and eventually violence.

I don't know much about that, but I can see the pro-Hamas, pro-Hezbollah, pro-ISIS demonstrations going on in the UK. I can see the mass violence, mass public prayers. It's all out in the open. If I was a local, I'd be scared to death. And if I had young children that can't bear arms, I'd want to take action as well.

I appreciate it, but I don't have 10 consecutive minutes of free time at any part of the day. Can you perhaps summarize what he says in a few points? I trust you to deliver it in an unbiased format.

No, I really dont think. You are talking about coexistence with the local population, soemthing that yes, has been a long standing problem in  the united kingdom on occasion, and yes, has been exploited by local gobsites on a power trip. This is more of a same. Do you know, when the Great Fire of London occurred, anyone that was found to be a foreigner was lynched out of hand, on the assumption they were the ones responsible. You might say its something in the English Character to find someone to blame. German as well perhaps.

Im not saying Jews were the problem, anymore than the muslims are the problem. As far as Southport at least, Muslims remain completely blameless, and are nonetheless blamed, because people chose to make them the scapegoat for long standing problems. Sounds familiar doesnt it? How many pogroms in Russia were justified in this way?

Which is fair enough, though I would encourage you to find the time. He compares it to riots elsewhere, and the main, its disenchanted youth with few jobs or opportunities, take in part in riots that are inspired by others, partly to have something to do, partly to have someone to blame. There is no easy explanation as he said, its a complex issue. But what its not is locals rioting in their own neighbourhood, because after all, who shits where they eat?

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

[Ivanhoe]

5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

No, I really dont think. You are talking about coexistence with the local population, soemthing that yes, has been a long standing problem in  the united kingdom on occasion, and yes, has been exploited by local gobsites on a power trip. This is more of a same. Do you know, when the Great Fire of London occurred, anyone that was found to be a foreigner was lynched out of hand, on the assumption they were the ones responsible. You might say its something in the English Character to find someone to blame. German as well perhaps.

Stop being a mindless Marxist. White people didn't invent xenophobia, in fact xenophobia existed before homo sapiens sapiens. Pack/herd behavior is baked into the mammalian gene package, with the few exceptions being megafauna predators who would have exterminated edible prey had they formed up into packs.

Seriously, the fairly thorough documentation of the Gombe Chimpanzee War should have dispelled all this "blame whitey for hate" nonsense.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

A never said it was just a White Problem. A Black Friend of my father spoke with some venom of Pakistani's. Im aware the reverse is often true

B Not a Marxist actually. In fact I flatter myself im probably more middle ground than the majority on this site whom seem increasingly fringe.

C Not mindless. In my opinion, obviously.

D Do you want my attempt to point to what is happening, or are you content to accept the worst conclusions from halfwit presenters on Fox that have no understanding whats going on, other than it must be beaten into the shape of culture war for the appreciation of their audience? Because if thats what you want, Ill save myself the time.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

[DB]

Someone mentioned Nortons.

And guess the accent

 

Actually, it was the Vincent Black Lightning that was mentioned, but meh, everyone can find that song themselves.

Edited August 4, 2024 by DB

[Colin]

On 8/3/2024 at 12:25 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yes, quite a few. There is one near me, the Fosse way, that goes right across the country, from Exeter in the Southwest, to Leiceser in the Northeast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosse_Way

Its not all in use. There are some chunks that became byways or dirt tracks (In one place they even built an airfield on top of it). But most of it still is.

This guys work is usually pretty interesting.

 

Really enjoy his video's

[JWB]

U.K. is turning into the U.S.A. :

 

 

[Mr King]

Ww2 vet predicts civil war and says all the deaths in ww2 were for nothing. He is not the first ww2 vet I have seen expressing similar opinions of the current state of things in western countries. I am sure he is just a fascist nationalist probably russian disinfo too.

 

 

[Argus]

9 hours ago, DB said:

Someone mentioned Nortons.

And guess the accent

 

Actually, it was the Vincent Black Lightning that was mentioned, but meh, everyone can find that song themselves.

I have a modern Triumph and love it, and I'd love a modern Norton. But all the Olins kit and cheap out on a 5 speed gearbox? It does not compute.

[EchoFiveMike]

I got a Moto Guzzi to go along with my Triumphs.  Really good value for money, you can get a Bonneville surrogate V7 with Brembo brakes and a 5.5 gallon tank for about 60% of what a Bonnie goes for.  S/F...Ken M

[Stuart Galbraith]

7 hours ago, Colin said:

Really enjoy his video's

Yeah me too. My favourite is the forgotten toll road across Salisbury plain.

[Stuart Galbraith]

5 hours ago, Mr King said:

Ww2 vet predicts civil war and says all the deaths in ww2 were for nothing. He is not the first ww2 vet I have seen expressing similar opinions of the current state of things in western countries. I am sure he is just a fascist nationalist probably russian disinfo too.

 

 

 

I found a good post on twitter by historian Dan Snow. He pointed to a wave of riots and smashing of Jewish shops all across Britain in 1947, largely as a response to 2 British sergeants being murded by irgun. And at the end he pointed out 'And the end result of all this was precisely nothing'.

Britain in 2011 saw a wave of riots. People smashing shops, tv's stolen, vehicles torched. And when it was all over, what did it change? pretty much like very riot in the UK right back to the 1830's, or even the Peasants revolution. Absolutely bugger all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2012/05/britains-last-anti-jewish-riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Riots

https://www.britannica.com/event/Luddite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt

What is startling looking back, is how often the state has won. Even the Civil war, it was Parliament that won in the end. The Glorious revolution was less a revolution than an invited coup.

As far as their being a civil war, that will not happen. The state is, even in its denuded state, is really entirely effective at maintaining control. We arent dilletantes like the French whom allow a successful revolution every hundred years or so (and even they seem to have lost their taste for more than a facade of revolution) OTOH, yes, a lot of the attitudes of Government, whom ignored the regions for decades believing trickledown economics woudl solve all the problems, now has to be decisively rejected.

I can understand peoples concern at how alarming this looks. It is alarming. Then look at the historical record and look at it in context. These people have no ideological bent other than 'take their country back'. The country has never belonged to them, so what they are looking at doing is grand larceny. Good luck with that. You are going to need more than a few fat turds in tattoo's and onesies to make a revolution in this country.

 

 

 

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[Stuart Galbraith]

As far as motorbikes, I fell in love with these since I saw one on Lovejoy.

They are still in production, but now in Switzerland, so im not sure it really counts, as far as Im concerned anyway.

[rmgill]

Riots and blame of outsiders is  a primate thing. It is in fact a survival heuristic arrived at through evolution and survival. 

Is it always correct? No. Does it work ? Yes. How many cultures have rioted against outsiders rightly or wrongly? All of them? 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

I wouldnt say it is purely one thing. I suspect at least part of this is the same reason people voted Brexit, because it was a way of hurting the priviledged elites that remained seemingly indifferent to their communities decay for decades. Im sure that there is a lot of that. Tribalism? I couldnt help but notice how the groups all chanted 'Yorkshire' together, almost like a hunter gatherer tribe. Ironically one woman on this video points to at least one of the reasons they all gathered. 'Its nice to meet people'. Its like a social gathering, one group went out to 'defend' the community against interlopers, the rest turned out to watch, even brought the kids along to see the excitement. Thats perfectly understandable, and as you rightly say, goes back to human prehistory. I dont defend the destruction or property, but its entirely understandable how that point was reached.

But civil war? I think it would take a gifted orator and leader to make real mischief here. At the moment there is Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage. Robinson cant even figure out if he is an English nationalist or Irish, and Farage cant even figure out his wardrobe. Even Lenin and Hitler figured out how to dress smartly...

 

This was the riot in Rotherham the other day. Im told the crowd show beligerance to media (Remarkably alike what has happened in the US), but this guy they were nice as pie to, presumably as they could identify him as being part of the same class as them. His coverage I have to say has been excellent, even the BBC have utilized it.

 

The most interesting allegation ive heard was the protests in Belfast. Irish nationalists (read former IRA) and English nationalists (Read former Ulster Defence Association) were teaming up together against the left and reportedly a smattering of Antifa, whom were protesting on behalf of the migrants. I mean, throw a rock in the air, you will hit someone guilty....

Edited August 5, 2024 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

Happy Birthday Sunday!

[Mighty_Zuk]

Followed the riots as best as I can given the circumstances.

Seems it's a lot of legitimate protest mixed with mindless vandalism.

This tweet expresses my opinion well:

On top of that I also blame the law enforcement who, it seems, made little to no arrests during the pro-terrorism demonstrations but chose to make plenty of arrests against rioters. This disproportionality will naturally create the impression of a government agenda to protect immigrants at the cost of locals, and to change the local culture. Therefore it amounts to the government instigating these riots, and as such they should bear responsibility. Instigating violence is a crime, after all. Isn't it?

[Stuart Galbraith]

I can mention one  guy, must have been in his early 20's, who came up to the cameraman during the Bristol protest (it wasnt really tasty enough to call it a riot). He said 'Sure, lets let refugees from foreign wars come here, fair enough, but lets stop the immigration, get it under control'.  Which you know, is a view Id happily endorse myself.

Clearly then,  these are NOT all racists and Nazi's. Unfortunately, there is well meaning protest that is either hijacked by people that certainly ARE racists and Nazis (and have the tats and the salutes to prove it to anyone whom might doubt it) and to muddy it all, a lot of people out for a good time kicking the shit out of any symbol of detached and indifferent authority, whether its police, or a hotel hosting asylum seekers. And you can see a LOT of that happening in the UK, as far back as the luddites. It doesnt follow they want revolution, it follows they want to signal they are pissed off.

Yes, you are right. They completely soft pedelled Hamas (and I am personally outraged by 'The river to the sea' which ranks right up there with the Horst Wessel lied as far as Im concerned), and now are panicking when a load of white folks got the apparent message they can be a real pain in the ass  and the police wont turn up and arrest them. Im sure that wasnt the message they were trying to send, but its seemingly the message they got.

Even more remarkably, the Commissioner of the Met, when questioned about two tier policing, ripped the microphone out the hand of a journalist asking him, before dropping it and stomping off in a huff. Which suggest's No10's meeting he was walking out of was 'robust'. What can I say, perhaps Yvette Cooper is a ballbreaker.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sky-news-reporter-sir-mark-rowley-grabs-mic-cobra-meeting-met-chief-b1174774.html

'A Met Police spokesperson said: “The Commissioner had a positive and constructive meeting with the Prime Minister and partners across Government and policing.'

Yeah, right.

 

I think its a number of things. yes, primarily its clearly about immigration. Yes, its about people already irritated being stirred up by social media. But yes, also like Brexit, its people signally to central Government they are there, and they really are sick to the back teeth of being given false promises and ignored. Hopefully Whitehall is getting that latter message loud and clear.

Edited August 5, 2024 by Stuart Galbraith

[JWB]

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

This shit is getting completely out of hand.

 

[Wobbly Head]

41 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

This shit is getting completely out of hand.

 

Does that mean that king Charles the third is a racist as well. Because all swans in Britain are owned by the reigning monarch 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah, clearly coached him. Obviously fowl play here.

[DB]

34 minutes ago, Wobbly Head said:

Does that mean that king Charles the third is a racist as well. Because all swans in Britain are owned by the reigning monarch 

This isn't strictly correct. Swans that are not marked are owned by the Crown. Many swans are marked (ring tagged, I think), and are owned by two London-based livery companies and the Swannery (a swan sanctuary) at Abbotsbury.

Oh, and it's only mute swans, there are others that are quite clearly sovereign citizens, subjects only of themselves. of course, most of those are migrants and none of them have passports.

[Ivanhoe]

4 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

On top of that I also blame the law enforcement who, it seems, made little to no arrests during the pro-terrorism demonstrations but chose to make plenty of arrests against rioters. This disproportionality will naturally create the impression of a government agenda to protect immigrants at the cost of locals, and to change the local culture. Therefore it amounts to the government instigating these riots, and as such they should bear responsibility. Instigating violence is a crime, after all. Isn't it?

I'd suggest a bit more careful verbiage. The po-po haven't, TMK, directly instigated violence. What they have done is to create, en masse with politicians and the NGOs who influence things, the perception that peaceful protest will be suppressed whereas destructive/violent protest gets a free pass.

For example, the timing of this idea looks suspect;

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/02/starmer-live-facial-recognition-plan-would-usher-in-national-id-campaigners-warn

Might have been better from a perception management viewpoint to wait for things to simmer down.