Ivanhoe Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stuart Galbraith Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 As far as climate change.... It should be recognised I live on the edge of an escarpment above the Severn estuary valley, so we usually get all the good (and the bad) weather from the Atlantic first. Of late we have been getting flowers come up early. I even saw the first bees arrive in late march. Perhaps these are normal in Spain or Portugal, or hotter countries. Here, where traditionally we could expect snow as late as March, this is distinctly eccentric. Even my 80 year old neighbour has noticed that things are happening considerably earlier than they usually did. So, seemingly, have the birds. But of course, opinions vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 https://reason.com/2022/03/20/weather-is-not-climate-or-is-it/ Quote "Every time you hear or read a claim about this or that disaster being linked to climate change, as interesting as the underlying science may be, what is actually being conveyed is a stealthy promotional message encouraging you to consider climate change to be important and thus to support efforts to decarbonize the economy," notes University of Colorado political scientist and climate change researcher Roger Pielke Jr. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stuart Galbraith Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 So all you guys whom told me I was just being negative about Brexit, calling me a remoaner, where are your pearls of wisdom now, hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: As far as climate change.... It should be recognised I live on the edge of an escarpment above the Severn estuary valley, so we usually get all the good (and the bad) weather from the Atlantic first. Of late we have been getting flowers come up early. I even saw the first bees arrive in late march. Perhaps these are normal in Spain or Portugal, or hotter countries. Here, where traditionally we could expect snow as late as March, this is distinctly eccentric. Even my 80 year old neighbour has noticed that things are happening considerably earlier than they usually did. So, seemingly, have the birds. But of course, opinions vary. Have you started your Mandarin classes yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 13 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: So all you guys whom told me I was just being negative about Brexit, calling me a remoaner, where are your pearls of wisdom now, hmm? Everything is worse due to Brexit or Climate change. Or racism.  It has nothing to do with corruption, ESG, degrowth, and ceding power to Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 minute ago, rmgill said: Have you started your Mandarin classes yet? There was that ginormous Tonga eruption that injected a lot of water in the stratosphere, causing some global temperature rising, but being aware of that would get in the way of the usual stuarting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 38 minutes ago, rmgill said: Have you started your Mandarin classes yet? No. Have you practiced recognising what is objective reality, before seeing what Fox says about it? Winters are getting milder, summers getting longer, storms more violent. I don't need a scientist to tell me. I recognise it by living here 50 years, and recognising significant change has occurred by looking out the window. You don't need to believe in climate change to recognise the climate HAS changed. You don't need to agree. Equally I feel no inclination to indulge in the received Tanknet group think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/vCgHvWMLVj  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 37 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: No. Have you practiced recognising what is objective reality, before seeing what Fox says about it? Winters are getting milder, summers getting longer, storms more violent. I don't need a scientist to tell me. I recognise it by living here 50 years, and recognising significant change has occurred by looking out the window. You don't need to believe in climate change to recognise the climate HAS changed. You don't need to agree. Equally I feel no inclination to indulge in the received Tanknet group think. The question isn't t whether the climate is changing, it's what to do about it. If it is a natural process, which i strongly suspect it is, then we'll just have to figure out how to live with it as our ancestors lived with it both warmer and colder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: No. Have you practiced recognising what is objective reality, before seeing what Fox says about it? I don't need to look at what FOX is saying about it. I can look at the geological record, weather historical data, and climate data. But I can ALSO look at the shift and bending of the data in recent decades to fit the desired outcomes. The predicted warming being outside of the error bars of the predicted IPCC studies predictions shows that their models are crap. Again, I can just look at IPCC predictions from 10 and 20 years ago to TODAY and see this. No FOX news needed Sparky.  6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Winters are getting milder, summers getting longer, storms more violent. Winter ARE more mild. We're coming out of the little ice age. AND there's the holocene that we're coming out of as well. AND we have eruptions that caused a cold period in several key decades. Pinatubo and St HElens both caused a cooling effect. As to storms more violent, that's bumf. Your times series and data sample is crap. If a tree falls in a forest but noone was there to witness it, was it more violent or less?  6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I don't need a scientist to tell me. I recognise it by living here 50 years, and recognising significant change has occurred by looking out the window. WE have scientists to tell us what's gone on MUCH longer. AND without the ESG scoring of the studies to put someone's finger on it. Why aren't you covered in Ice from the Holocene? Was it Cro-magnon camp fires? OR something else? What caused ALL of the other climate variabilities? Answer that first.  6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: You don't need to believe in climate change to recognise the climate HAS changed. I don't dispute that it changed. IT's ALWAYS changed. We had the medieval warm period, we had the dark summers and the double winters in the 500s and later the 1883 effects from Krakatoa. Plus there's the sun's variability. 6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: You don't need to agree. Equally I feel no inclination to indulge in the received Tanknet group think. No, instead you subscribe to the Warmist Group Think. So, if you REALLY think that it's carbon, are you carbon neutral at your house? Edited April 18 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stuart Galbraith Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Utterly unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Whats new about the police threatening people for no reason just because they have power over us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Oh. They have a reason. They’re better than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoFiveMike Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) Who were the leading advocates for "hate crime" and "civil rights" legislation? Feel no pity. Reap as they sew. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13327237/Joey-Barton-reveals-visited-police-four-times-three-days-controversial-tweets-one-visit-coming-9-30pm-night-ex-footballer-suggests-UK-turning-North-Korea.html S/F...Ken M Edited April 20 by EchoFiveMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 14 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Utterly unacceptable. Why? Police is there to protect citizens. Not allowing him to go there is protecting him. It is like not letting people run back into a burning house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Seahawk, I know you are in court jester mode, but thats a crock of shit argument and you know it. He has the right to protest anyway he likes. Whether looking 'openly Jewish' or not, whatever the hell that is supposed ot mean. Every day the MET does all it can to reinforce my perception it really needs breaking up into several different forces. Its too damn big, and if they are doing damn fool things like this, their leadership is manifestly incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 As for Joey Barton, I neither endorse, nor encourage police going to police tweets (after all, if Elon Musk cant be arsed, why should they). On the other hand, its fairly clear reading the story he is desperate to court some kind of controversy for fear of being forgotten. So you might think he got exactly what he was looking for. 'It came after Barton admitted comparing Aluko to Fred and Rose West was 'a tad harsh' before saying she was more similar to former leader of the Soviet Union Joseph Stalin instead. He took to X to write: 'On reflection, I feel I’ve been a tad harsh on Eni Aluko by comparing her to Rose West. 'Had a bit of time to consider the impact of my words after @itvfootball big statement. 'She’s clearly in the Joseph Stalin/Pol Pot category. She’s murdered hundreds of thousands of football fans ears in the last few years. Meritocracy Rules!'  Now Americans might forget whom Fred and Rose West are, but im fairly sure they will remember the Late Joseph Stalin and Pol pot. Which is, you might think, just a little excessive for describing fellow football pundits whom dont seem to have committed any transgression other than being female. Not exactly work police time though, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Seahawk, I know you are in court jester mode, but thats a crock of shit argument and you know it. He has the right to protest anyway he likes. Whether looking 'openly Jewish' or not, whatever the hell that is supposed ot mean. Every day the MET does all it can to reinforce my perception it really needs breaking up into several different forces. Its too damn big, and if they are doing damn fool things like this, their leadership is manifestly incompetent. That was not Jester mode. The problem is not that he was sent away, the problem is that the pro Gaza march was allowed, when the police expected participants willing to commit acts of violence against Jews or anybody disagreeing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Then the answer then is, if the march was going to create violence, then disallow it. This is fairly easy to understand, even for a policeman. You simply CANT go ripping down posters of Israeli hostages, and censuring Jews for causing a disruption, then allow palestinians go around chanting 'from the river to the sea' and waving nazi flags. Im sorry, to coin an old fashioned idea, that is not 'fair' and in this country, I regard that as antisemitism. Institutional or structural, frankly I dont really much care which. Im fully inclined to allow the Palestinians to make any protest they like. Fair go, the jews also have a perfect right to do the same, and discriminating against them isnt just lazy, its taking a side. Frankly, Im really rather bored by UK police taking the side of least resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Agree, I just wanted to point out that this single policeman did nothing wrong. The organisation allowing the potentially violent march, did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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