Because The United Kingdom?

[DB]

On 11/10/2023 at 4:08 PM, JWB said:

 

So here's the funny thing about that - the economy didn't grow, true, but everyone and his dog was saying that it would shrink.

And they've been saying that prior to every announcement that it didn't shrink, or in fact, grew, for years.

 

[Wobbly Head]

39 minutes ago, DB said:

So here's the funny thing about that - the economy didn't grow, true, but everyone and his dog was saying that it would shrink.

And they've been saying that prior to every announcement that it didn't shrink, or in fact, grew, for years.

 

Every country has been massaging their economic figures with a meat hammer for years as announcing your in a recession bad for the political party in charge. It has just got to the point they can't hide it anymore.

 My theory is they are bringing David Cameron back because people will be so busy digging up their old Kermit the frog jokes they will miss how bad the British economy is.

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Wobbly Head said:

Every country has been massaging their economic figures with a meat hammer for years as announcing your in a recession bad for the political party in charge. It has just got to the point they can't hide it anymore.

 My theory is they are bringing David Cameron back because people will be so busy digging up their old Kermit the frog jokes they will miss how bad the British economy is.

There is probably a lot in that..

[Stuart Galbraith]

This is worth listening  to.

 

[JWB]

140 years?

 

 

[R011]

1 hour ago, JWB said:

140 years?

 

 

1883 sounds about right, though not unbroken.  The UK wouldn't have had enough interest to bother much earlier.   Korea was a unified, independent country then and had been for centuries.  It wasn't until 1910 that they became a Japanese colony until 1945. 

[lucklucky]

Close the BBC and the Museum of London.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67472933

Black women most likely to die in medieval plague, Museum of London says

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While no population figures for black women in London have been recorded

 

[Ivanhoe]

5 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Close the BBC and the Museum of London.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67472933

Black women most likely to die in medieval plague, Museum of London says

 

TLDR summary; "We have no idea what the denomenator is for that population cohort, but we'll get more funding if we make a baseless claim that supports The Narrative."

 

[lucklucky]

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A health study recently conducted by Samsung has revealed that a lot of people in the UK sleep restlessly and accidentally fall asleep during work. This study, which involved the analysis of 716 million nights of sleep, reveals a lot of other things about the sleep quality of consumers in the UK.

https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-health-study-galaxy-watch-6-uk-people-sleep-restless/

[TrustMe]

I'm to tired to read the link  

[Stuart Galbraith]

They succeeded! The Tories finally took Britain back to the 1950's!

 

[lucklucky]

It is impossible to beat Clement Atlee Gov. it was even done on propose.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Ah, the Clement Attlee Government. You mean the guys who fixed the housing problem, fought China and the Norks in South Korea, formed NATO, and gave Britain the Atomic bomb and free at point of use healthcare?

Contrast with the Tories that cut Britains defence by a third, cut the Army and Airforce to shreds, withdrew from our best trading and political institution,reduced police by 20000, broke the housing market, fought the Afghan war with enduring cluelessness,  mismanaged the Corona crisis, kicked over the Gadaffi regime that added to the migrant crisis we were now struggling with, and are now talking about ending free prescriptions for the out of work?

Attlee made mistakes, but they werent even close to the uttershitshow over the past 13 years that these clueless buggers have been indulging in. Give credit, the Tories once again beat socialism.

 

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[urbanoid]

I think I'd rather live in 1950s Britain than a current one. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

So would I, at least we remembered that the fiscal life blood of a nation is its exports, not its bloody financial services.

And yes, it was a bloody miserable time to be alive in lots of ways. But back then, people could at least look foward to things getting better. I dont know anyone today that thinks it can. Its a country empty of dreams and hope right now.

 

[sunday]

15 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

I think I'd rather live in 1950s Britain than a current one. 

So you miss Communist Poland... 😋

[Sardaukar]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

I think I'd rather live in 1950s Britain than a current one. 

No you would not... There was still food rationing...

Rationing continued even after the end of World War II; indeed, when the Queen came to the throne in 1952, sugar, butter, cheese, margarine, cooking fat, bacon, meat and tea were all still rationed. Rationing did not actually finish until 1954, with sugar rationing ending in 1953 and meat rationing in 1954.

[EchoFiveMike]

At least it was actually British in 1950, now it's just another chaotic, degenerate dystopia. 

The government(s) elected specifically to reduce "immigration" have increased the inflow of corrosive, parasitic foreigners.  Remember that fact the next time people blather about democracy and representative government.  S/F....Ken M 

[Ssnake]

The report was about the rate of decline meeting the 1950s, but not the actual living conditions of those years. You'd be in for a rude awakening if you accidentally stumbled into a time machine dialled for the UK, 1951.

Spoiler alert, it'll be nothing like Back to the Future.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Poor Quality housing...

Low Paid jobs...

Crap music....

Derelict and run down Public transport...

Id feel pretty well prepared for what I would find.

1 hour ago, EchoFiveMike said:

At least it was actually British in 1950, now it's just another chaotic, degenerate dystopia. 

The government(s) elected specifically to reduce "immigration" have increased the inflow of corrosive, parasitic foreigners.  Remember that fact the next time people blather about democracy and representative government.  S/F....Ken M 

However one feels about the UK immigration problem, there is no doubt, by the Governments own criteria, they have utterly failed to deal with it. Ironically if we had remained in the EU, we would have been better placed to negotiate with the French and the Europeans on equal terms and collectively deal with the problem. But we kidded ourselves we could do ourselves alone and deal with it. And its been an ignominius failure, enlivened by kicking over the Gadaffi regime and making it worse.

My own view, Ive zero problems with people coming in from the old empire. For one thing we have cultral similarities, and we owe them something.

But as far as Africa and the middle east, im having less and less sympathy, particularly if they are going to bring and try and impose antsemitism on the rest of the country.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Sardaukar said:

No you would not... There was still food rationing...

Rationing continued even after the end of World War II; indeed, when the Queen came to the throne in 1952, sugar, butter, cheese, margarine, cooking fat, bacon, meat and tea were all still rationed. Rationing did not actually finish until 1954, with sugar rationing ending in 1953 and meat rationing in 1954.

Well im trying to lose weight, so....

This reminds me of a monty python sketch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Sardaukar said:

No you would not... There was still food rationing...

Rationing continued even after the end of World War II; indeed, when the Queen came to the throne in 1952, sugar, butter, cheese, margarine, cooking fat, bacon, meat and tea were all still rationed. Rationing did not actually finish until 1954, with sugar rationing ending in 1953 and meat rationing in 1954.

Compared to the current one? I'd choose food rationing over it, easily.

1 hour ago, EchoFiveMike said:

At least it was actually British in 1950, now it's just another chaotic, degenerate dystopia. 

The government(s) elected specifically to reduce "immigration" have increased the inflow of corrosive, parasitic foreigners.  Remember that fact the next time people blather about democracy and representative government.  S/F....Ken M 

And this is the main reason.

[DB]

10 hours ago, urbanoid said:

I think I'd rather live in 1950s Britain than a current one. 

Honestly, you wouldn't, even if I give you a small measure of hyperbole, although perhaps it was better than many other places at the same time.

For example, rates of infection for tuberculosis and polio were very high prior to approximately 1955.

There was still selective food rationing, and national service.

80% of households did not have a car in 1956. (This one is a bit weird, though. 44% of households *still* don't have a car today, a figure that has been unchanged since I was a small child!)

A lot of the available housing stock still had outside toilets, and electric circuit provision may have been as much as one outlet per room, with some only having a lighting circuit.

Central heating was almost unheard of.

If you want to live in the UK's past, probably the mid 1960s is where it might be the most fun to be in your twenties, but the 1970s were also grim, with things looking up again in the mid 80s.

[Ssnake]

It's not like it was a hellhole, but compared to today the only positive metric that stands out, maybe, is that the 1950s future held more promise than the 2020s, at least for some.

Medicine has become better, so have cars; we have computers, satellites, and internet now, mobile phones - all things that simply weren't available to consumers (or pretty much anyone) back then. The overall standard of living of the average Briton in 2023 is massively better than in 1951. Maybe in 2019 things were even better than in 2023, but  pretty much every decade after 1950 brought substantial improvements that all compounded on each other.

Occasional setbacks are inevitable, but there overall long-term trend for the average person is undoubtedly positive.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Well in the mid 60s Britons were told they never had it so good. And then came the 70s.

They said it again in the 1980s. Then came the 1990s.

They said it again in the 2000s, and then... Well let's just say I think we learned better by now. We are like Russians, we don't progress, we just keep making the same mistakes, over and over again.