Because The United Kingdom?

[JasonJ]

Sounds like a spratleyball cartoon plot you have put together there, JasonJ.

I already visualized a Polandball version of it

[Roman Alymov]

The Extermination of the White Race: 69% of School Children in London Are Non-white

http://newobserveronline.com/the-extermination-of-the-white-race-69-of-school-children-in-london-are-non-white/

[Leo Niehorster]

But how many of school children are mixed/partially white? Overall, humanity becoming a mélange of races/colors/etc./etc., and is overall better for it. Of course, then we will find another thing to be prejudice about.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Im do finding some of those prophets of doom somewhat suspect. For example, there were graves of Roman settlers near Hadrians wall in Northern England. They were from Assyria as well.

 

London waxes and wanes in its ethnic groupings. In the 70s and 80s, Brixton was predominantly Black, a result of many of the early immigrants being given bed and lodging at a nearby deep level air raid shelter. Today I understand its largely white again, most of those early immigrants have died off, and the offspring moved off.

 

And its not just a racial development either. There was a very good BBC series about London streets, and one has to note how through time some apparently always affluent streets have waxed and waned, form initial prosperity, to poor working class neighbourhoods, occasional destitution, eventually developers move in and suddenly it becomes up market middle class (or even upper class) areas. And this is a major problem london has. Property prices are getting so high, they are effectively making it harder and harder for working class people to live inside the M25.

 

 

One has to ask, how many Syrian immigrant families, or even immigrants from the Caribbean or Africa, going to afford to live anywhere in London except on the council estates. And so over time its highly likely to balance out. London always does. There was a lot of jewish families in the East End at one time, and i gather they have moved out to other areas as well.

[swerve]

London waxes and wanes in its ethnic groupings. In the 70s and 80s, Brixton was predominantly Black, ...

Never as much as in popular belief. Never had a black majority. School friends of mine (student at Imperial College, ex-girlfriend who was a student nurse at St. Thomas's) lived in Brixton when I was a student, & I visited them often. Once you got off Brixton High Street, it was obvious that as well as many students & other young people sharing flats & houses, there were still a hell of a lot of long-settled white working class locals.

 

I recall helping to persuade a couple of US students to go to a party in Brixton in the late 1970s. They were initially scared even to visit in daylight, thinking it was like parts of their home town. Philadelphia? Not sure now - it was a long time ago. When they finally plucked up courage & went, they were astonished. They'd been told (correctly) that it was one of the roughest parts of London, & had the highest black proportion of the population. They imagined a ghetto with nary a white face in sight & guns going off all the time. Doh! When they got there, they said it seemed like quite a nice, well-integrated neighbourhood.

 

I still didn't get off with the blonde with the nice arse, though.

[Ivanhoe]

But how many of school children are mixed/partially white? Overall, humanity becoming a mélange of races/colors/etc./etc., and is overall better for it. Of course, then we will find another thing to be prejudice about.

 

America is certainly not overall better for the half-black, half-white dude currently living rent-free at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[swerve]

The Extermination of the White Race: 69% of School Children in London Are Non-white

http://newobserveronline.com/the-extermination-of-the-white-race-69-of-school-children-in-london-are-non-white/

Some of them are children of cousins of mine.

 

Do you realise that by quoting the headline you sound as if you agree with it? And that site is run by a bunch of racist white supremacists, the sort of people who think Hitler was on the right track?

 

I was amused to see that they count 'Hispanics' as non-white. The blonde Brazilian I once knew (in every sense) might have been amused by that - or perhaps annoyed. They count this young woman as non-white -

 

and this one -

 

 

And yet you seem to take them seriously.

[BansheeOne]

Never as much as in popular belief. Never had a black majority. School friends of mine (student at Imperial College, ex-girlfriend who was a student nurse at St. Thomas's) lived in Brixton when I was a student, & I visited them often. Once you got off Brixton High Street, it was obvious that as well as many students & other young people sharing flats & houses, there were still a hell of a lot of long-settled white working class locals.

 

I recall helping to persuade a couple of US students to go to a party in Brixton in the late 1970s. They were initially scared even to visit in daylight, thinking it was like parts of their home town. Philadelphia? Not sure now - it was a long time ago. When they finally plucked up courage & went, they were astonished. They'd been told (correctly) that it was one of the roughest parts of London, & had the highest black proportion of the population. They imagined a ghetto with nary a white face in sight & guns going off all the time. Doh! When they got there, they said it seemed like quite a nice, well-integrated neighbourhood.

 

This screams for the obvious.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

London waxes and wanes in its ethnic groupings. In the 70s and 80s, Brixton was predominantly Black, ...

Never as much as in popular belief. Never had a black majority. School friends of mine (student at Imperial College, ex-girlfriend who was a student nurse at St. Thomas's) lived in Brixton when I was a student, & I visited them often. Once you got off Brixton High Street, it was obvious that as well as many students & other young people sharing flats & houses, there were still a hell of a lot of long-settled white working class locals.

 

I recall helping to persuade a couple of US students to go to a party in Brixton in the late 1970s. They were initially scared even to visit in daylight, thinking it was like parts of their home town. Philadelphia? Not sure now - it was a long time ago. When they finally plucked up courage & went, they were astonished. They'd been told (correctly) that it was one of the roughest parts of London, & had the highest black proportion of the population. They imagined a ghetto with nary a white face in sight & guns going off all the time. Doh! When they got there, they said it seemed like quite a nice, well-integrated neighbourhood.

 

I still didn't get off with the blonde with the nice arse, though.

 

I dont doubt you are right, and perhaps even then (the 1980s) was in decline in numbers anyway. The high point probably came in the 1950s when they all arrived, when they understandably all settled in an area close to each other.

 

In fact if you think about the history of London, that's pretty common. One can look at the Huguenots who settled in London in C16th, you would be hard pressed to see a trace of them now. I seem to recall there was a large group of silkworkers or some such from Lyon in the C18th and C19th Century and gain, you would be hard placed to know they were there other than some large window workshops and placenames.

 

 

My own view, I dont really care what the British in in the C23rd century look like, whether they are black, white, half caste, green or lesser spotted. The only thing im worried about is whether they still have the values we respect now, ie, freedom of speech, right to protest, right to a fair trial, freedom from persecution. Unfortunately Im not sure we will, and that wont be due to the immigrants. Its because we are doing a bang up job of running such rights into the ground ourselves and blaming our continental cousins for it.

 

And regrets on the blond with the junk in the trunk btw.

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

Never as much as in popular belief. Never had a black majority. School friends of mine (student at Imperial College, ex-girlfriend who was a student nurse at St. Thomas's) lived in Brixton when I was a student, & I visited them often. Once you got off Brixton High Street, it was obvious that as well as many students & other young people sharing flats & houses, there were still a hell of a lot of long-settled white working class locals.

 

I recall helping to persuade a couple of US students to go to a party in Brixton in the late 1970s. They were initially scared even to visit in daylight, thinking it was like parts of their home town. Philadelphia? Not sure now - it was a long time ago. When they finally plucked up courage & went, they were astonished. They'd been told (correctly) that it was one of the roughest parts of London, & had the highest black proportion of the population. They imagined a ghetto with nary a white face in sight & guns going off all the time. Doh! When they got there, they said it seemed like quite a nice, well-integrated neighbourhood.

 

This screams for the obvious.

 

 

 

Excellent track. Im sure I saw a documentary where they related they wrote that (or was it White riot?) after having been to one of the riots in Brixton (presumably for completely innocent purposes im sure) and were accosted twice. Once by a large black man who wanted to make sure they didnt have any money, and once by a white policeman who wanted to search them for weapons.

 

Reminds me of a story I heard from my Father related by his father, that in Belfast in the 1930s it was not uncommon to be pulled over by a gang of youths and asked if you were Protestant or Catholic, and if you got the answer wrong, you got beaten up. Probably the safest place in the world to be Jewish then Id like to think.

[Marek Tucan]

Well Roman likes to paint the fall of the decadent Western civ Actually it heads back to the Ukraine thread and tot he Donbass and Russian rhetoric of fighting against fascists - while getting cheered on by most of fascist/neonazi movements from Central and Western Europe who see Putin as a role model

[Stuart Galbraith]

I dont blame him if that is his view, such views seem to be very far reaching in Russia. Not long ago I saw a report on RT of patrols by apparently ex army neo fascists in ex army vehicles, patrolling the streets of London to guard against the Islamic threat.

 

Now im not saying such patrols dont exist. Im just bemused that if they do exist, its kind of odd the only new organisation that thought it worthy of coverage was RT.

 

 

Western Civilisation about to collapse? Yeah, heard that one before. I grew up in the 1980's.

[swerve]

Reminds me of a story I heard from my Father related by his father, that in Belfast in the 1930s it was not uncommon to be pulled over by a gang of youths and asked if you were Protestant or Catholic, and if you got the answer wrong, you got beaten up. Probably the safest place in the world to be Jewish then Id like to think.

 

Ah, but I once heard a Jew who'd been to school in Northern Ireland many years ago telling how in exactly that situation the response to him saying "Jewish" was once "Aye, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?".

[Stuart Galbraith]

 

Reminds me of a story I heard from my Father related by his father, that in Belfast in the 1930s it was not uncommon to be pulled over by a gang of youths and asked if you were Protestant or Catholic, and if you got the answer wrong, you got beaten up. Probably the safest place in the world to be Jewish then Id like to think.

 

Ah, but I once heard a Jew who'd been to school in Northern Ireland many years ago telling how in exactly that situation the response to him saying "Jewish" was once "Aye, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?".

 

 

[DB]

A nice little summary regarding Parliament and (some of) its powers.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-35783408

[swerve]

Too good for him - unless he's locked up next to the bell when it rings.

 

Ashley is a git. He squeezes his workers illegally to make money he then pours down the drain. I recall reading about a party he threw years ago, where about £100,000's worth of fine champagne was poured out - mostly on the guests, by Ashley. He valued it not for its flavour, or even its inebriating effect, but only as a symbol of his wealth. "Look at me! I can waste bloody expensive champagne!"

 

I hate people like that.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Parliament is far, far too reluctant to take action against its transgressors. Personally Id lock the bugger up and worry about whether its illegal later.

 

 

Still, for a place that was handing out 14 million in expenses each year, you can really expect much better I suppose.

[DB]

When I was working in Wales (finished the current task) I was claiming approximately approximately £450 per week. Over the course of a year, with holidays removed, that amounts to about £21000, more or less.

 

Should I not get the same as the average MP for working away from home, especially given that London prices are hugely higher than those of south Wales.

[Stuart Galbraith]

When I was working in Wales (finished the current task) I was claiming approximately approximately £450 per week. Over the course of a year, with holidays removed, that amounts to about £21000, more or less.

 

Should I not get the same as the average MP for working away from home, especially given that London prices are hugely higher than those of south Wales.

 

Sure you should. The point is that,

 

A You didnt use it as a means of enhancing an income that was artificially low set for political considerations. Id rather give MPs a decent wage based on average income and have it enforced, rather than suffer the problems with people stitching up expenses to supplement income to buy important stuff like, oh I don't know, duckhouses, or have the moat dug out perhaps.

 

B Reduce how many MPs and Lords sit in the Commons and House of Lords and thereby reduce how much is thereby spent in expenses. Why shouldn't austerity apply as much to Westminster as anywhere else, because I see precious little evidence it does. Everyone else from the Army to the NHS has been laying people off. The House of Lords is actually expanding. Is there is any real reason why we cant run the country on 550mps, now we have the regional assemblies?

 

By having a decent wage you are helping to deter corruption. By setting it artificially low to appeal to the electorate, you are making it a near certainty. I dont even like lobbying. Far better to have a set income for all the parties for electoral purposes based on vote share, rather than have donations from Unions or Business, because that is an invitation for corruption as well.

 

 

I guess what im saying its, Parliament very arguably needs reform. But then what can one expect when they take a holiday each year based on the big stink (when the Thames overflowed with sewage each year and brought on Cholera epidemics), a problem they havent had to worry about since Joseph Bazalgette fixed it in 1875.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith

[Panzermann]

The UK has now a sugar tax for beverages:

 

Sugar tax surprise in Budget - but growth forecasts cut (the beeb beeb cee)

 

Examples of drinks which would currently fall under the higher rate of the sugar tax include full-strength Coca-Cola and Pepsi, Lucozade Energy and Irn-Bru, the Treasury said. The lower rate would catch drinks such as Dr Pepper, Fanta, Sprite, Schweppes Indian tonic water and alcohol-free shandy.

Waht's "sandy"?

 

BBC health editor Hugh Pym said the tax had come as "a bolt from the blue" - particularly as Downing Street had opposed the idea last autumn. It was attacked at the time by some Conservative MPs as "nannystate-ism".

american parlance made it into British politics?

[Stuart Galbraith]

Chancellor is desperate for some revenue. He has promised to kill the deficit by the end of the decade, and at present its 50/50 whether he is going to do it. As he missed all his other targets im a bit more cynical than that, but Ill give benefit of the doubt.

 

One of our celebrity chiefs, Jamie Oliver, has been calling for this tax. I dont know if its a good idea or not, but it does give the impression of further taxing poorer members of society (whom mainly drink and eat shit because they cant get better quality).

 

As for American Parlance, welcome to Pastygate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty_tax

[Panzermann]

In Germany you pay full VAT when eating in the restaurant, take away has a reduced tax. Which of course is always correctly accounted for by all restaurants, chip shops, McBurger's...

 

pastygate though is half british at least.

 

 

thinking about it, "nannystate" in its intended meaning to be overly protective is insulting to nannies!

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yeah im fully expecting someone to issue a court injunction on it one of these days.

 

Tories are always banging on about Labour being nanny statism, and in truth many of them are. But they are really just as bad at it themselves.

 

 

Anyway, there's pastygate. No taxation without consumption I say.

Edited March 18, 2016 by Stuart Galbraith

[DB]

Pfft.

 

 

Spin to win, Stuart.

 

Even the Institute for Fiscal Studies, funded by the inventor of the incredible shifting "bread line", the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, couldn't manage to spin the facts hard enough to change the conclusion of this report.

 

http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8182

 

Oh noes, the poor and middle income classes have improved faster than the rich. Austerity is such a disaster for everyone except those evil 1%-ers, it seems.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Watching Cheltenham races yesterday, there were the rich all quoffing Tizer and Iron Bru and eating crap they just bought out of Tescos. Yes, clearly my mistake.