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3 hours ago, DB said:

You're fishing for something, I know not what.

I like Banshee's posts, primarily because they are exactly as long as they need to be to make a point, but also because he does not repeat the same arguments every second post whilst quoting vast screeds that already say what is bring repeated.

 

Seconded. Banshee's posts are high quality signal. 

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9 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Im sorry, as related earlier, that simply isnt accurate. Labour did have a large chunk of MP's who wanted to remain in the EU, thats perfectly true.

Sorry Stuart advocating development of your own country and other aspects beneficial to one's nation doesn't make them socialists because Labour also advocates for those things sometimes. "Labour Drinks water, if you drink water you're a labour person too!" It's merely an example of things that are actually good for a nation and rank ordering those things over other objectives. That's how you actually help your country. Now, if you actively work against all of those things, seemingly for the benefit for foreign nations with no benefit to your own nation, AND with specific harm to your own nation and that doesn't matter, well, that's rather traitorous. 

Now of course you have Labour rank ordering foreign development. Does that mean that the colonial Development under Queen Victoria made her a Labour party member too? 

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6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Actually I was reaching for Irony, but as always, that seems to have gone right over your head.  :)

 

 

Must have been lost in the noise.

And there is so much noise.

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14 hours ago, rmgill said:

Sorry Stuart advocating development of your own country and other aspects beneficial to one's nation doesn't make them socialists because Labour also advocates for those things sometimes. "Labour Drinks water, if you drink water you're a labour person too!" It's merely an example of things that are actually good for a nation and rank ordering those things over other objectives. That's how you actually help your country. Now, if you actively work against all of those things, seemingly for the benefit for foreign nations with no benefit to your own nation, AND with specific harm to your own nation and that doesn't matter, well, that's rather traitorous. 

Now of course you have Labour rank ordering foreign development. Does that mean that the colonial Development under Queen Victoria made her a Labour party member too? 

So lets go through the usual checklist.

1 Present evidence for argument. Done.

2 Present cogent argument to underline evidence, presented as politely as possible as my dry humour allows. Done.

3 Receive whataboutist response of absolutely no relevance whatsoever to what I originally posted. Done.

 

I spent 40 odd years being accused of being a Socialist or even (Gasp) a Commie, for believing in some (not all, some) of the things Labour presented in that 83 election. And you bought all of it, hook line and sinker because they rebranded it with a MAGA sticker. 

Well at least we know where to send Corbyn when Islington North finally sees through him. :)

 

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4 hours ago, Mikel2 said:

 

The relationship in the US that lead to BLM was formed by the way they arrived in the US, as slaves. In the UK they were invited here to take jobs. Its set the tone for a subtly different relationship, something that I dont think is fully appreciated by Black Activists who come here from America, or with some of the more extremist political supporters on the far left who lap it up here.

Nearly 2 decades ago the entire Metropolitan Police was labelled as institutionally racist. And its not perfect yet, though I think they have confronted many of these issues a couple of decades ago with the Stephen Lawrence murder. We dont have quite the same the soul searching here about whether the police were behaving in a racist manner, we know they were. Stephen Lawrence was our George Floyd.

I do agree with her that we dont need to teach decolonizing history. Speaking of when I was taught history in the 1980's, we didnt learn anything about the British Empire at all.  We studied far more about the Aztec's and the American west than we ever did Nelson, or Gordon of Khartoum

That said, after Grenfell Tower, after the Windrush scandal, I think it a bit rich for someone from the ruling party saying they dont need to change, and there is nothing whatever to learn from BLM. Maybe none of her family got deported back to the Carribean after paying taxes for 60 odd years. For such as has happened, and you cant really frame it any other way than as racism.

BLM isnt the solution for Britain, but neither is the status quo. Rather than importing stances from America, it would be as well if we framed our own.

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On 10/20/2020 at 12:02 PM, rmgill said:

Seconded. Banshee's posts are high quality signal. 

Yes they are, and to be honest, so are the other German posters. 

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On 10/18/2020 at 10:05 AM, BansheeOne said:

but the contradiction in leftist ideology already occurs in the anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism that were its forerunners: protesting the outsourcing of jobs and production to low-wage third/developing world countries on one hand, and exploitation of the latter on the other.

The solution to this is very easy: get rid of communism, estabilish capitalism, and bill the hidden costs to those who distribute it to everyone now.

The world is not really in need of Chinese crapware sailed burning bunker oil, cheese slices in plastic bags inside the plastic bag, or British youth getting drunk in Central Europe on the weekends.

Won't happen as crony capitalism is a march to the bottom of Hell.

 

BTW, the select and quote feature of the new site is great.

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3 hours ago, WRW said:

Probable tanker hijacking on UK coast . SBS may be currently dropping in. Covered in detail on Arrse

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-54684440

 

It  seems seven stowaways caused a bit of a fuss causing the crew to hole up in their panic room and call for help.  Enter the SBS.  All seven now in custody.

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Labour suspends Jeremy Corbyn over reaction to anti-Semitism report

Published 7 minutes ago

Sir Keir Starmer has suspended Jeremy Corbyn after an inquiry found the party responsible for "unlawful" harassment and discrimination when he was leader.

The UK's human rights watchdog, in a report on Labour anti-Semitism, also said Mr Corbyn's office had "politically interfered" in the complaints process.

Mr Corbyn said the scale of the problem had been "dramatically overstated".

Labour said it was suspending him for a "failure to retract" his remarks.

Mr Corbyn's successor as leader, Sir Keir Starmer, said the publication of the Equality and Human Rights Commission's (EHRC) report had brought "a day of shame" for the party.

He promised to implement its recommendations "as soon as possible in the New Year" and to change Labour's culture.

The EHRC report found the party responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act:

  • Political interference in anti-Semitism complaints
  • Failure to provide adequate training to those handling anti-Semitism complaints
  • Harassment

In a statement, it said: "The equality body's analysis points to a culture within the party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent anti-Semitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it."

The investigation found evidence of 23 instances of "inappropriate involvement" by Mr Corbyn's office, included staff influencing decisions on suspensions or whether to investigate a claim.

[...]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54730425

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I know that social isolation from the quarantine is tough, but you guys really need to get a grip;

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