lucklucky Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 https://eurasiantimes.com/morocco-wants-f-35-fighters-algeria-that-plans-to-russian-su-57-jets/ Quote Morocco is said to have requested Israel to persuade the United States to allow the sale of its cutting-edge multirole fighter F-35, potentially in response to Algeria’s planned procurement of Su-57 stealth fighters. Tensions between Morocco and Algeria have increased since the latter unilaterally snapped diplomatic ties, sparking a regional arms race. In addition, Algeria revived its relations with Russia, leveraging Moscow’s intention to re-establish itself in Africa. Morocco, on the other hand, is banking on its deeper ties with Israel and the US to procure weapons as a deterrent against any Algerian maneuvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Algeria is trying to buy Su-57s?!? When, in 2030? Russia's first order won't be filled until 2027-28 and I can't imagine they are letting anyone jump the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Were will all the money come from to buy these F35's. Morocco has ordered more F16's. Apache gunships and M1A2 tanks. Who will pay for it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 4 hours ago, TrustMe said: Were will all the money come from to buy these F35's. Morocco has ordered more F16's. Apache gunships and M1A2 tanks. Who will pay for it all? Phosphate ore, for instance. Many application, including manufacturing of Coca Cola, and other soft drinks. Morocco has the largest world reserves of the stuff, Western Sahara included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 16 hours ago, TrustMe said: Were will all the money come from to buy these F35's. Morocco has ordered more F16's. Apache gunships and M1A2 tanks. Who will pay for it all? Morocco https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/morocco-increases-defence-budget-with-more-procurement-expected#:~:text=Janes analysis of the Moroccan,increasing by 7.77% to MAD37. Moroccan GDP has increased over the last 20 years https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=MA But that money doesn't go into improved conditions for the locals: https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/country_result.jsp?country=Morocco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Thanks for that RETAC21 it was very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) Now...this is something: https://en.abna24.com/news//israeli-emirati-moves-to-establish-military-runway-in-yemens-socotra-launched_1214587.html Israeli-Emirati moves to establish military runway in Yemen's Socotra launched Edited January 2, 2022 by Sardaukar Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Sardaukar said: Now...this is something: https://en.abna24.com/news//israeli-emirati-moves-to-establish-military-runway-in-yemens-socotra-launched_1214587.html Israeli-Emirati moves to establish military runway in Yemen's Socotra launched This source is shit so I wouldn't count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: This source is shit so I wouldn't count on it. Thanks. Couldn't figure out why Israel would care about an airbase in Yemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Some stuff about that base...grain of salt, of course: https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/israel-s-debkafile-uae-building-air-base-on-volcanic-island-off-yemen-47152 https://www.timesofisrael.com/mysterious-air-base-pops-up-on-volcanic-island-off-yemen/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200828-uae-and-israel-to-establish-spy-base-in-yemen-island/ Go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Mayyun and Socotra are two separate islands at a distance of 1000 km from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Interesting footage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 An airbase in Socotra that can service IAF and navy assets would be a great boost, but there are many more ways to be creative, and the UAE has plenty of reasons to invest in that airbase regardless. The Mayun airbase is far too close to Yemen to be considered a safe option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 JERUSALEM — An Israeli firm’s subsidiary in the United Arab Emirates has signed a $53 million deal to supply direct infrared countermeasures and airborne electronic warfare systems for A330 tanker aircraft. This is the first public deal for the recently established Elbit Systems Emirates Limited. Elbit Systems, which announced Jan. 3 that it will work on the UAE Air Force’s Airbus-made Multi-Role Tanker Transport fleet, said the project will take five years. “Under the contract, Elbit Systems Emirates will deliver a multi-turret configuration of the J-MUSIC Self-Protection System together with the Company’s Infra-Red-based Passive Airborne Warning System, providing high levels of protection and redundancy,” the company said, using the product name for its direct infrared countermeasures system, which is already used on 25 types of aircraft. https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2022/01/07/israeli-subsidiary-inks-first-public-deal-with-uae-for-work-on-a330-aircraft/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Are they not worried about a possible Israeli cyber attack with this new equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, TrustMe said: Are they not worried about a possible Israeli cyber attack with this new equipment? Israel doesn't actually have its companies, especially private ones, do such things. It has dedicated bodies belonging to the military and intelligence apparatus for this, but they don't get involved in Israeli companies' products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 59 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Israel doesn't actually have its companies, especially private ones, do such things. It has dedicated bodies belonging to the military and intelligence apparatus for this, but they don't get involved in Israeli companies' products. I'm sorry my post was not clear. I meant that having a Israeli EW system on an Arab aircraft could mean that Israeli would know the inner workings of that EW system and develop counter measures for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R011 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I think it's another indication that the Emirates, and others, have accepted Israel's existence and realized they have the same enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 3 hours ago, R011 said: I think it's another indication that the Emirates, and others, have accepted Israel's existence and realized they have the same enemy. They have known that for some time. They just could not admit such until recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Israel tells Washington that it will not curtail its relations with Russia, Israel caught between rock and hard place on Russia - analysis (msn.com) “The US would like to see, perhaps, some moral support, maybe an expression of concern and support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity; but I don’t see Israel – or the Gulf countries – threatening Russia with sanctions,” he continues. “Each of the Middle East countries has complex relations with Russia, and will not want to jeopardize them, especially as Russia has not invaded Ukraine.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 hours ago, glenn239 said: Israel tells Washington that it will not curtail its relations with Russia, Israel caught between rock and hard place on Russia - analysis (msn.com) “The US would like to see, perhaps, some moral support, maybe an expression of concern and support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity; but I don’t see Israel – or the Gulf countries – threatening Russia with sanctions,” he continues. “Each of the Middle East countries has complex relations with Russia, and will not want to jeopardize them, especially as Russia has not invaded Ukraine.” It is not in the US's interest for Israel to do so. Israel and Russia are in a silent agreement that Russia will stay out of the Israeli conflict with Iran and its proxies (Syria, Hezbollah etc), and avoid selling advanced arms to them, and Israel in return will not interfere in Russian policy in Syria and avoid selling advanced arms to Ukraine or other countries of particular interest to Russia. Israel's trade with Russia is already minimal, and it must maintain certain ties to safeguard tourism to Russia due to demographics. The gain, of having Iran spend its own money on tech, and slowing its progress, is of far greater effect for the US than a bit of lost trade for Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 17 hours ago, TrustMe said: I'm sorry my post was not clear. I meant that having a Israeli EW system on an Arab aircraft could mean that Israeli would know the inner workings of that EW system and develop counter measures for it. That's why in NATO for example, every country has a large share of foreign-made equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 52 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: That's why in NATO for example, every country has a large share of foreign-made equipment. I see were your coming from, but every nation keeps certain systems home made (and thus relatively secure) for the reason I stated. For example communications equipment on the Israeli F15A/B/C/D/I 's were made in Israeli not US for just this reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said: It is not in the US's interest for Israel to do so. Israel and Russia are in a silent agreement that Russia will stay out of the Israeli conflict with Iran and its proxies (Syria, Hezbollah etc), and avoid selling advanced arms to them, and Israel in return will not interfere in Russian policy in Syria and avoid selling advanced arms to Ukraine or other countries of particular interest to Russia. I think the Israelis have made a good, common sense, decision. I don't think Washington should have ever asked Jerusalem to compromise Israeli security for Biden's stupidity in Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, glenn239 said: I think the Israelis have made a good, common sense, decision. I don't think Washington should have ever asked Jerusalem to compromise Israeli security for Biden's stupidity in Ukraine. Our relations are not of demands. Plenty of requests were fulfilled, and plenty denied. It's a good thing they understand when Israel declines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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