Because, Canada

[Tim Sielbeck]

1 hour ago, Colin said:

Our conservatives are pretty much your centre Democrats. Absorbing Canada is going to suck for anyone right of centre. Not to mention you are now responsible for a vast infrastructure network and hundreds of more Indigenous groups. 

Perhaps.  In the US the feds are only responsible for the federal highway system.  Territories and states are responsible for the rest.  And I suppose the fist nations will have to negotiate new treaties with the US (even if it’s as simple as saying the treaties made with what would be the “former” national government are still in force).

[Colin]

2 hours ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

Perhaps.  In the US the feds are only responsible for the federal highway system.  Territories and states are responsible for the rest.  And I suppose the fist nations will have to negotiate new treaties with the US (even if it’s as simple as saying the treaties made with what would be the “former” national government are still in force).

If Canada became a territory, then does not that funding responsibility come from the Feds?

[rmgill]

Territories of the United States are sub-national administrative divisions and dependent territories overseen by the federal government of the United States. The American territories differ from the U.S. statesand Indian reservations in that they are not sovereign entities.[note 2] In contrast, each state has a sovereignty separate from that of the federal government and each federally recognized Native American tribe possesses limited tribal sovereignty as a "dependent sovereign nation".[2] Territories are classified by incorporation and whether they have an "organized" government established by an organic act passed by the Congress.[3]American territories are under American sovereignty and may be treated as part of the U.S. proper in some ways and not others (i.e., territories belong to, but are not considered part of the U.S.).[4] Unincorporated territories in particular are not considered to be integral parts of the U.S.,[5] and the Constitution of the United States applies only partially in those territories.[6][7][3][8][9]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States

[Ivanhoe]

https://jonathanturley.org/2025/05/16/we-study-fascism-and-were-leaving-the-u-s-the-new-york-times-runs-alarmist-video-of-yale-professors-fleeing-to-canada/
 

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All three professors are going permanently to Canada to teach at the University of Toronto. It appears that the systemic rollback of free speech for conservatives in Canada is not a deterrent for Yale professors longing to be free.

The seven-minute opinion video features the three scholars:  Yale philosophy Professor Jason Stanley and history professors Marci Shore and Timothy Snyder (who are married).

Shore insisted that the United States is now a fascist country replicating the Nazi takeover. Indeed, she mocks those of us who believe that our constitutional system has proven itself for centuries as a guarantor of civil liberties, including our system of checks and balances. Shore dismisses such assurances while suggesting that the American people are a virtual ship of fools in not recognizing the fascists all around them: “The lesson of 1933 is that you get out sooner rather than later.”

 

You're welcome!

[Ivanhoe]

The governments (and academia) of both Canada and the US are riddled with PRC agents, no doubt.

[Colin]

The PRC has made significant gains in the Liberal party and several of the Provincial governments. I will argue that Trumps "Bull in the China shop diplomacy" has been a gift for the PRC efforts to turn Canada into a policy puppet for them. Anti-Americanism now trumps any meaningful discussion on the real threat of the PRC.  

[Tim the Tank Nut]

I would say that Trump's assessment is that China's influence on Canada is deep enough that the carrot wasn't going to work in any circumstances.  Unfortunately he's most likely correct.  Canada's political choices over the last few decades have made it pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.  Young Trudeau wasn't an outlier.  He got re-elected.  Trudeau's actions with turning the government against the citizens are why Trump behaves as he does.  It happened to him.  He knows what it means.

[Colin]

On 5/24/2025 at 6:30 AM, Tim the Tank Nut said:

I would say that Trump's assessment is that China's influence on Canada is deep enough that the carrot wasn't going to work in any circumstances.  Unfortunately he's most likely correct.  Canada's political choices over the last few decades have made it pretty clear which way the wind is blowing.  Young Trudeau wasn't an outlier.  He got re-elected.  Trudeau's actions with turning the government against the citizens are why Trump behaves as he does.  It happened to him.  He knows what it means.

Had the CPC won a majority, the PRC influence would have been reduced and efforts to eliminate it would have started. The two people happy Carney won is Xi and Trump, Xi because his efforts to control Canada continue and Trump, because PP would have had sympathy from GOP politicians who are not happy about Trumps attack on Canada.    

[futon]

The 51st state rhetoric was a setback.

Everyone has had patches of Pro-China. 

Being forgetful, carelessly or willingly, is no good.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2024/09/minister-blair-meets-with-japanese-minister-of-defense-kihara-minoru.html

[Ivanhoe]

I just read an X post talking about the greater Toronto area as "GTA." Boy does that explain some things.

[urbanoid]

3 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

I just read an X post talking about the greater Toronto area as "GTA." Boy does that explain some things.

https://x.com/RealAlbanianPat/status/1927136806568362254

 

[Ivanhoe]

[rmgill]

Canada doesn’t belong to the US. It’s t belongs to the first nations peoples. 
 

 

[glenn239]

Yeah, that's a problem that's getting out of control up here. 

[Murph]

And I predict it is only going to get worse, as large chunks of non liberal voting Canada get given back to people who claim they settled there first.  

[Mr King]

4 hours ago, rmgill said:

Canada doesn’t belong to the US. It’s t belongs to the first nations peoples. 
 

 

 

[Colin]

The Courts have ruled that the "Crown" has to consult with the indigenous people. There is a significant between Reserve lands and traditional territories and how much say the band has. Also if they have treaties or not also plays a part. I did consulting on behalf of my Department for 20 years. The bands have won the "Rights and title" fight, but struggle to bring jobs and revenue to their people. What is happening now is major buy in from First Nations on Energy project and others. This is one of the projects I helped with.  https://www.cedarlng.com/project/