rmgill Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 Well, I looked at those in Canada and I was mildly surprised that nothing fit what the emergency was. And the folks that kept telling me I was listening to "fringe" sources couldn't/wouldn't actually put a finger on how it was an emergency.
EchoFiveMike Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 6 hours ago, rmgill said: We're not in a war to the knife yet. But the Left keeps pushing it. One side is, they just lie about it, like everything else they do. S/F...Ken M
R011 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Mikel2 said: People in liberal democracies ought to look at emergency laws and the activation thresholds very very closely. You may also want to check out the actual text of the Emergencies Act and of the measures that were implemented under it - measures that end with the recording of the act. You will likely find it isn't the draconian martial law some seem to think.
R011 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 And I see no one has yet noted that the Act is being rescinded now that the blockades are clear.
rmgill Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, R011 said: And I see no one has yet noted that the Act is being rescinded now that the blockades are clear. Oh, no, we note it. See here and here. What about it was needed to clear the protestors? Why the seizure of money in the first place? Edited February 24, 2022 by rmgill
sunday Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 5 hours ago, R011 said: And I see no one has yet noted that the Act is being rescinded now that the blockades are clear. https://www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/40606-because-canada/&do=findComment&comment=1573926
Ivanhoe Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 One thing is increasingly clear; just as Obama was the US's most effective gun salesman, Castreau has become the world's most effective gold and cryptocurrency salesman; https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2022/02/22/bitcoins-use-case-strengthens-as-canadian-bank-accounts-get-frozen/?sh=108e034b2adc Quote If there’s anything edifying about this, it’s that authoritarianism and capital controls can happen anywhere, even in common law jurisdictions. In the past, people used gold to escape oppressive regimes and sidestep errant governments—consider the daring story of the Vietnamese boat people, many of whom paid their way out of the country with gold after the fall of Saigon—and today we’re witnessing Bitcoin’s use case play out in real time. When a center-middle rag like Forbes is talking about gold and cryptocurrency as a hedge against authoritarianism, that is a bad sign.
glenn239 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 10 hours ago, R011 said: And I see no one has yet noted that the Act is being rescinded now that the blockades are clear. That was already stated yesterday.
glenn239 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 8 hours ago, rmgill said: What about it was needed to clear the protestors? Why the seizure of money in the first place? On the first part, the protestors were blocking key customs bridges and had Ottawa city center shut down for weeks. They needed to not do that, and the police helped persuade them. On the second part, the Liberal overreach into freezing bank accounts was so obvious that even Trudeau understood quickly that he was playing with fire. He dropped the emergency measures quickly, but this is now an election issue. As you say, why exactly did the government order the freezing of the bank accounts of supporters, including even single moms legally giving $40? No coherent explanation has yet been given.
R011 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 5 hours ago, sunday said: https://www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/40606-because-canada/&do=findComment&comment=1573926 ? That says nothing about the emergency being officially ended now.
rmgill Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 The emergency or the invocation of in applicable emergency powers?
glenn239 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Here are the battle lines being drawn going forward, the issue being that no one understands Trudeau's overreach. If the Conservatives win, it will probably turn into an investigation. FIRST READING: The world falls out of love with "illiberal" "dystopian" Canada (msn.com) Just a few days ago, the RCMP was openly asserting that only direct participants in Freedom Convoy risked having their financial lives frozen under the Emergencies Act. So it was a bit of a surprise when a Department of Finance staffer told a House of Commons committee on Tuesday that financial purgatory could be the fate of anyone who donated even a token amount of money to the protest after Feb. 15. It was “very unlikely” but still possible, said Assistant Deputy Minister Isabelle Jacques. Edited February 24, 2022 by glenn239
Colin Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 23 hours ago, Tim the Tank Nut said: assuming the facts are accurate and only 30 percent of the Canadian population supports the truckers then that is a pretty big fringe. How many supported the American Revolution when it happened? Hint, less than 30%. The problem, as always is that once someone's positions are "unacceptable" then there is no limit to what can be imposed. Do those of you supporting Trudeau's action honestly not have a sense of how chilling the word "unacceptable" is when uttered by a Prime Minister? About the same size as the "fringe" that elected Trudeau
Colin Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 13 hours ago, R011 said: You may also want to check out the actual text of the Emergencies Act and of the measures that were implemented under it - measures that end with the recording of the act. You will likely find it isn't the draconian martial law some seem to think. It certainly is a Draconian piece of legislation to use in this context, the reason the little shit ended it because he know the Senate would not ratify it and wanted to seen to be the one that ends it, instead of been told to. Long but good to listen to
Stargrunt6 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Colin said: About the same size as the "fringe" that elected Trudeau Doesn't >90% of Canada live in the Toronto area?
R011 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Colin said: It certainly is a Draconian piece of legislation to use in this context, the reason the little shit ended it because he know the Senate would not ratify it and wanted to seen to be the one that ends it, instead of been told to. Long but good to listen to Overkill? Sure. Draconian? Only if your definition of draconian is something a lot less serious than most. It's mild enough that calling it watered down from the old War Measures Act it replaced would be hilarious understatement.
rmgill Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 In what sort of free society is taking money from folks without legal basis not serious? We're talking about what is criminally theft. If I logged into your account and took all your cash and funds and drained the account that'd be a serious felony. Why is this not serious if done like this by the government? Put it a different way, someone donates money to BLM. BLM in the US later commits a crime. IS it reasonable to freeze the assets of every person who gave even just $10 to BLM even before the event occurred? Is punishing someone for ex-post facto law passage reasonable?
sunday Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Seems there was some of a bank run in Canada. No wonder - that malarkey with people's savings is something one could expect from Argentina or Venezuela, not from Canada. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/canada/trudeau-backs-down-after-banks-scream-about-massive-withdrawals/
Ivanhoe Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, sunday said: Seems there was some of a bank run in Canada. No wonder - that malarkey with people's savings is something one could expect from Argentina or Venezuela, not from Canada. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/canada/trudeau-backs-down-after-banks-scream-about-massive-withdrawals/ Yeah, right as central gov'ts and central banks had achieved a narrative discouraging cryptocurrency, Castreau does exactly that which drives people towards cash, gold, and crypto. Canada has more than its fair share of European refugees from WWII. The Royal Canadian Mint makes a gold coin only 14mm in diameter. Just the thing for sewing into garment hems.
R011 Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, sunday said: Seems there was some of a bank run in Canada. No wonder - that malarkey with people's savings is something one could expect from Argentina or Venezuela, not from Canada. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/canada/trudeau-backs-down-after-banks-scream-about-massive-withdrawals/ Do you have a source for this run on Canadian banks other than one who spent time in jail for fraud?
sunday Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, R011 said: Do you have a source for this run on Canadian banks other than one who spent time in jail for fraud? I think so.
R011 Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, sunday said: I think so. Because this would have been news in all the major business media here and there's been nothing. There was apparently a few hours outage for some banks' websites one day last week which some people are claiming somehow indicates one happened or was happening or something.
rmgill Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bank-run-canadas-top-banks-mysteriously-go-offline But hey if it's just fringe people, there's nothing to worry about with the money supply or bank liquidity in Canada.
glenn239 Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 9 hours ago, rmgill said: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bank-run-canadas-top-banks-mysteriously-go-offline But hey if it's just fringe people, there's nothing to worry about with the money supply or bank liquidity in Canada. I've heard nothing of a bank run up here....
MiloMorai Posted February 25, 2022 Posted February 25, 2022 The only fringe is where Ryan gets his news.
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