Because, Canada

[NickM]

3 minutes ago, rmgill said:

? OR are you still going on the narrative that he was using a whip? 

Sorry to be irreverent, but when I hear about whips being used, I always am reminded of the scene in the Wild Bunch, where Robert Ryan is being flogged in the jail in Yuma.

[rmgill]

3 minutes ago, NickM said:

Sorry to be irreverent, but when I hear about whips being used, I always am reminded of the scene in the Wild Bunch, where Robert Ryan is being flogged in the jail in Yuma.

The problem here was that sheltered urban folks who can't probably identify a horse from a donkey don't even know what split reins are, let alone why you might not want someone to be able to grab them. Assuming they were not honestly unaware what that long thing the CBP agent was twirling let alone why he might not want the Haitian to not be able to grab it in a scuffle. 

[rmgill]

You know, looking around, I can see why some might be confusing the Canadian truckers and their protest with the rioters in Portland. 
 

[Mikel2]

2 hours ago, DKTanker said:

A Hollywood Canadian actress has a message, a plea, for the Boy who would be Dictator.

 

 

Soon to be in the next Daily Wire movie?

[rmgill]

1 minute ago, Mikel2 said:

 

Soon to be in the next Daily Wire movie?

🤣 Nice!

Got any stock picks you'd recommend? 

[Mikel2]

 

More on the mobility scooter lady:

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/02/20/heres-more-on-the-ottawa-freedom-convoy-woman-run-over-by-police-with-their-horses-n525440

[Ivanhoe]

https://torontosun.com/news/national/trudeau-minister-threatens-to-seize-accounts-of-pro-trump-convoy-donors

 

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David Lametti, a lawyer and former law professor who is now the government’s lead legal authority, made the comments when questioned about whether people who made donations to the trucker convoy will have accounts seized.

When they invoked the Emergencies Act on Monday, the Trudeau government made clear that they were not just going after the crowdfunding of Freedom Convoy organizers but would also target individual bank accounts.

“A lot of folks said, ‘I just don’t like your vaccine mandates and I donated to this, now it’s illegal, should I be worried that the bank can freeze my account?’” Evan Solomon, host of CTV’s Power Play, asked Lametti.

Lametti, who had previously in the interview compared what is happening to terrorism, said yes, donors should be worried.

“If you are a member of a pro-Trump movement who is donating hundreds of thousands of dollars, and millions of dollars to this kind of thing, then you ought to be worried,” Lametti said.

 

 

[BansheeOne]

17 hours ago, rmgill said:

As to OWS, in that instance things were breaking down and was bad enough that you had examplesof human waste sitting in buckets or poured into storm drains. None of those sorts of public health issues are manifest here. The Truckers brought their own port-a-johns and even setup reasonably proper food distribution/cooking and were visibly cleaning up after themselves.

Yeah well, that's one way to frame it. Another would be stressing how the Ottawa protesters actively inconvenienced and even harrassed local residents and businesses, while OWS only occupied a privately-owned park. Of course as noted the latter's owners actually reconsidered their first eviction notice, and the police action including horses was directed against people protesting same on Times Square. So in either case, the crowd was interferring with public order; sanitary conditions didn't play a role on either scene.

Again, everyone's always condemning police acting against mostly peaceful protesters they agree with. And there's no shortage of videos proving "unprovoked attacks" when you google for it. Usually nobody except direct sympathizers cares, unless someone dies (on that note, it seems the Ottawa stroller lady recovered from being trampled to death).

17 hours ago, rmgill said:

 

[DKTanker]

The Canadian protesters felt safe.
Safe because they were peaceful.
They were just protesting as was their right, as they understood them to be.
They sang the national anthem, waved patriotic flags and even offered hugs to the police sent to harass them.
Even after a number of nitpicky tickets, they still felt secure, because this was Canada.

Then Trudeau dropped the hammer.
Declared a National Emergency where there was none, and applied excessive punitive actions over what was essentially a block party, complete with saunas and bouncy castles for the children.

There will be a next time. And those participating will be better prepared.
Because Trudeau has changed Canada for the worse.

[R011]

Of course they felt safe.  They weren't the victims here. They spent three weeks blocking downtown Ottawa and harassing the local inhabitants and businesses.  They should have been kicked out after three days.

[Stargrunt6]

56 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

The Canadian protesters felt safe.
Safe because they were peaceful.
They were just protesting as was their right, as they understood them to be.
They sang the national anthem, waved patriotic flags and even offered hugs to the police sent to harass them.
Even after a number of nitpicky tickets, they still felt secure, because this was Canada.

Then Trudeau dropped the hammer.
Declared a National Emergency where there was none, and applied excessive punitive actions over what was essentially a block party, complete with saunas and bouncy castles for the children.

There will be a next time. And those participating will be better prepared.
Because Trudeau has changed Canada for the worse.

 

It's like the Bloody Sunday Massacre in Russia, 1905.

 

[Stargrunt6]

https://twitter.com/SallyMayweather/status/1495594740854792193?s=20&t=2XT5bfx99RUnhOnIFuKipQ

[DKTanker]

Who is it that is disrupting business in Ottawa?

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by DKTanker

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

Yeah well, that's one way to frame it. Another would be stressing how the Ottawa protesters actively inconvenienced and even harrassed local residents and businesses, while OWS only occupied a privately-owned park.

Hang on. 

OWS was all over the US. They were here in Atlanta too. They were in fact in public parks and on public streets. They did marches that were not pre-prepped and planned with local police and they certainly made a great nuisance of themselves. Here in Atlanta too. Asserting that OWS "only occupied a privately owned park" is patently false. 

That it was ONLY the occupation of private property also rings as a bad thing to assert. They ONLY took over private property? We have a legal terms for that. 

The reason for requiring a permit to march in the streets, at least in the US is so that the local officials can effect a traffic plan to deal with the fallout and have the necessary officers on hand. We didn't just have the Dragon Con Parade down Peachtree street without any involvement of the police. 

Some of the OWS protests were cover for Black Block to do their thing of going around and vandalizing businesses and attacking people. So the comparison isn't very good here between OWS and The Canadian Truckers. Can you point to ANYTHING like this with the Canadian truckers? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-azdxcMAM4

As to the Ottawa protestors a harassing locals, that's been supported by what evidence? There's video of the harassment right? 

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

 

Of course as noted the latter's owners actually reconsidered their first eviction notice, and the police action including horses was directed against people protesting same on Times Square. So in either case, the crowd was interferring with public order; sanitary conditions didn't play a role on either scene.

Sanitary conditions DID play a role in OWS. They were camped for weeks with people not having ANY sort of sanitary facilities organized. 

For example. 
https://gothamist.com/news/video-cops-nab-alleged-ows-protester-who-dumped-large-quantities-of-feces-urine-in-public

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

Again, everyone's always condemning police acting against mostly peaceful protesters they agree with.

Are they though? 

There's a strong differentiation in reality between rioters being treated like rioters and people who are expressing civil disobedience being treated like rioters. 

1 hour ago, BansheeOne said:

And there's no shortage of videos proving "unprovoked attacks" when you google for it. Usually nobody except direct sympathizers cares, unless someone dies (on that note, it seems the Ottawa stroller lady recovered from being trampled to death).

If the police can be forgiven for confusing someone throwing a bicycle at a horse with their own rider trampling the woman, you can forgive the rumor mill as to her medical condition and out come from being trampled. 

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by rmgill

[R011]

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Sorry.  I posted without hearing sound due to a technical issue making my post invalid.

Edited February 21, 2022 by R011

[rmgill]

55 minutes ago, R011 said:

They weren't the victims here. They spent three weeks.... harassing the local inhabitants and businesses.  

SUBSTANTIATE THIS. 
 

It has the sound of more of the lies and you're hardly credible in any of this now. You can't seem to tell the difference between what the CBC tells you and reality. 

 

1 minute ago, R011 said:

Or so an activist claims illustrating with a video suspiciously without sound.

You keep making claims that are easily refuted with video evidence. You're hardly above water here. 

Edited February 21, 2022 by rmgill

[R011]

I do see they aren't in compliance with the provincial mask mandate for restaurants.  That's grounds for police to shut them down without emergency powers or allegations of selling coffee to the occupiers.

[rmgill]

4 minutes ago, R011 said:

I do see they aren't in compliance with the provincial mask mandate for restaurants.  That's grounds for police to shut them down without emergency powers or allegations of selling coffee to the occupiers.

By all means, they should all be tear gassed and beaten for their noncompliance. After all the state wants to be sure they're safe so they can do so by breaking the window in, and throwing them in a confined cell with other people right? 

Proportionality here is off.

Also, the mask mandate itself is emergency powers isn't it? They need emergency powers to enforce the emergency powers in the day 700 of 15 days to slow the spread. 

Edited February 21, 2022 by rmgill

[Ivanhoe]

6 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

Yeah well, that's one way to frame it. Another would be stressing how the Ottawa protesters actively inconvenienced and even harrassed local residents and businesses, while OWS only occupied a privately-owned park. Of course as noted the latter's owners actually reconsidered their first eviction notice, and the police action including horses was directed against people protesting same on Times Square. So in either case, the crowd was interferring with public order; sanitary conditions didn't play a role on either scene.

OWS in Seattle;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-azdxcMAM4

 

https://gothamist.com/news/occupy-wall-street-erects-women-only-tent-after-reports-of-sexual-assaults

https://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaults-occupy-wall-street-camps/story?id=14873014

https://publicintelligence.net/zuccotti-park-owners-letter-to-police-commissioner-raymond-kelly-on-occupy-wall-street/

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Additionally, we have received hundreds of phone calls and e-mails from concerned citizens and office workers in the neighborhood. Complaints range from outrage over numerous laws being broken including but not limited to lewdness, groping, drinking and drug usc, to the lack of safe access to and usage of the Park, to ongoing noise at all hours, to unsanitary conditions and to offensive odors. We have received complaints of harassment, one woman stating that she was verbally abused in front of her 5-year-old child and complaining that she had a package stolen from her as she tried to cross the Park.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/holy-vessel-disappears-from-church-housing-occupy-wall-street-protesters

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/occupy-seattle-goons-harass-pedestrians-elderly-bystanders-bank-customers-at-latest-clown-rally-video/

 

[rmgill]

Point of note here. The Atlanta OWS protests were for the most part, civil without any of the Black Block nonsense other cities had. There was even a vein of right leaning types that went down to the Atlanta protest armed, with rifles, dressed in ways that clearly separated them from the lefties. They did so as a point of keeping APD honest. 
 

Our state level gun rights board had a general view that so long as the OWS protestors here confined themselves to peaceful protesting, the should be left alone by APD. 

Edited February 21, 2022 by rmgill

[rmgill]

Slightly more sarcastically, the Canadian Federation troopers need to work on their cosplay. They're close though. 

[Colin]

On 2/19/2022 at 4:35 PM, R011 said:

If you drive your mobility scooter into a police horse, that's what happens.  A disabled asshole is still an asshole.  This use of horses to separate an unruly crowd from a police line is a normal riot control procedure.

It was not a mobility scooter it was a walker and she was stationary and not able to move. 

[R011]

11 minutes ago, Colin said:

It was not a mobility scooter it was a walker and she was stationary and not able to move. 

So she cou;dn't move, placed herself in the front lines od a riot, and she and others say they're surprized she got hurt.

[DKTanker]

So the House of Commons just voted to make the temporary emergency permanent?  What will the Senate's rubber stamp mean for this Grate Sight? 

[rmgill]

26 minutes ago, R011 said:

So she cou;dn't move, placed herself in the front lines od a riot, and she and others say they're surprized she got hurt.

How in the hell was it a riot? 

You've been all over the map on this. 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by rmgill