Because, Canada

[Mikel2]

15 minutes ago, R011 said:

I expect if she was just an innocent victim of police misconduct, we'd have seen that footage well before any official law enforcement footage if any.  Half that crowd is probably recording this.

 

I'm reserving my judgement until more evidence surfaces.

[sunday]

1 minute ago, Mikel2 said:

 

I'm reserving my judgement until more evidence surfaces.

Like the evidence of Epstein suicide...

There are two videos in one of the last posts of Ryan.

This one, for instance: https://rumble.com/vvalg5-in-ottawa-an-elderly-woman-called-for-peace-and-love-before-being-trampled-.html

Edited February 20, 2022 by sunday

[futon]

5 minutes ago, sunday said:

Like the evidence of Epstein suicide...

There are two videos in one of the last posts of Ryan.

This one, for instance: https://rumble.com/vvalg5-in-ottawa-an-elderly-woman-called-for-peace-and-love-before-being-trampled-.html

Very important video. All on fault of the horsemen. 

[DKTanker]

Some                                 less

All Emergency Powers are ^ temporary than others.

 

[R011]

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Edited February 20, 2022 by R011

[R011]

14 minutes ago, DKTanker said:

Some                                 less

All Emergency Powers are ^ temporary than others.

 

She wabnts to make tracking crowdsourcing the same as tracking other finacial transactions already being tracked.  What's your objjection to that?  Do you object to tracking financial information at all?  You do know what kind of informatoion gets tracked, right?

 

Doing so, by the way, requires additonal llegislation. , not just an order in council from Cabinet.

Edited February 20, 2022 by R011

[Stargrunt6]

TIL Jar Jar is a Canadian minister 

 

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

Prettyt unlikely given that police are permitted to use reasonable force when putting down a riot. 

Oh, it's a riot now is it? 

A group of Canadians standing there in protest and even singing is a riot? 

[rmgill]

52 minutes ago, R011 said:

She wabnts to make tracking crowdsourcing the same as tracking other finacial transactions already being tracked.  What's your objjection to that?  Do you object to tracking financial information at all?  You do know what kind of informatoion gets tracked, right?

Well considering you and they can't tell the difference between protesting, rioting, ramming scooters into horses, being trampled by same, theft, terrorism and lawful protest, I probably can't explain to you what and why folks might have such an objection. 

 

52 minutes ago, R011 said:

Doing so, by the way, requires additonal llegislation. , not just an order in council from Cabinet.

Does it. Arguably, the emergency powers need legislative approval. Do they have that already? 

[rmgill]

Oh, btw, that link to the world economic forum, it's own interests corporately, that's your link with what makes it more fascist. Corporatism is one of those details of what makes something fascist, a box to check. 

fascism

From Latin: fasces, the bundle of rods with a projecting axe-head, carried before the consuls as a sign of the state authority of Rome, and adopted as a symbol of social unity (the bundle) under political leadership (the axe). The name was given by Mussolini to the movement which he led to power in Italy in 1922, but is now used more widely, to include German *Nazism, and Spanish *falangism, on the basis more of a common *ethos than a common *doctrine. Fascism is characterized by the following features (not all of which need be present in any of its recognized instances): *corporatism; *nationalism; hostility to *democracy, to *egalitarianism, and to the values of liberal *enlightenment; the cult of the *leader, and admiration for his special qualities; a respect for collective organization, and a love of the symbols associated with it, such as uniforms, parades and army discipline. In Germany the cult of *violence, together with a violent *anti-semitism, were added to these features, with notorious results. The *anti-communist and anti-liberal stance of fascist movements, together with the loath- someness of many actual examples, have made the fight against fascism a rallying point for left and liberal causes, so that the label ‘fascist’ may often be applied very loosely, to denote almost any doctrine that conflicts with left-liberal ideology. In this expletive use the term conveys no very clear idea, a fact which perhaps explains its popularity.


corporatism - world economic forum - check
hostility to *democracy - check
hostility to *egalitarianism - check
hostility to the values of liberal *enlightenment - ' oh you want to protest, that makes you a racist'.  - check
cult of the *leader, and admiration for his special qualities - 'The hair'- check
a respect for collective organization - check

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by rmgill

[DKTanker]

I recall reading in my history books that Herr Hitler came to power with some air of legitimacy.  Even though he wasn't the most popular guy in Germany, he managed to cobble together a coalition government. Then, because of a phantom menace, The Reichstag essentially gave him dictatorial powers with the 1933 enabling act.  Sensing some parallels here.

[R011]

I'm sure you'll be disappointed when this expires in thirty days, assuming it survives the next days of debate in Parliament, and find no executions, concentration camps or the opposition parties banned.

[lucklucky]

3 hours ago, R011 said:

She wabnts to make tracking crowdsourcing the same as tracking other finacial transactions already being tracked.  What's your objjection to that?  Do you object to tracking financial information at all?  You do know what kind of informatoion gets tracked, right?

I do, without court order.

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

I'm sure you'll be disappointed when this expires in thirty days.

You mean like the lockdowns? It's been 2 years. 

 

1 hour ago, R011 said:

 assuming it survives the next days of debate in Parliament, and find no executions, concentration camps or the opposition parties banned.

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

There is a real Fascist (yes, with his own Praetorian Guard) revving up his tanks in Eastern Europe, and you are worried about Justin Trudeau? Seriously?

No, I dont like the smarmy git either. But lets just get real and drink the coffee for a frigging second.

[BansheeOne]

6 hours ago, R011 said:

It's absolutely vital  so that voters and the world can see that Trudeau is a strong decisive leader who is Doing Something.  Other than maybe giving them more power to seize assets and freeze bank accounts, I can't actually see what else it's necessary for.

Well judging from the reaction in local left-leaning media, the world doesn't particularly like it; they seem to be disappointed by their boy Justin overreacting, and warning enthusiastic leftists dreaming of some right-wing skulls being cracked that next time, it might be some good old-fashioned workers' strike such measures are applied to (translate this, for example). Which is also a lot more consistent than some on the right who found no wrong with masked US feds dragging BLM protesters into unmarked vans, but scream "fascism!" when police set up checkpoints to prevent some truckers blocking a government district to be resupplied by sympathizers.

It certainly gives me more pause than people who have a decade-long track record of outlandish claims based upon fringe YouTubers and American hyperpartisanship applied to conditions in other countries they have no grasp of, despite being told so by local posters; it's a boy who cried dinosaur thing. Overall the debate reminds me of the old saw that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, and a liberal is a conservative who has been arrested.

And BTW, with windows being smashed and pepper spray and stun grenades being used now, I'd call police action rather forceful indeed now, though that's a somewhat normal escalation when things drag out and boil down to a hard core.

[R011]

11 hours ago, futon said:

Very important video. All on fault of the horsemen. 

You mean she was too stupid to get out of the way when the horses came by.  Like the old left-wing activist in Buffalo who fell after being pushed out of the way when he tried to block police.

[Tim Sielbeck]

13 hours ago, R011 said:

Senior citizens in mobility scooters shouldn't drive them into police horses.

 

If you would have watched the video you would have seen that NO mobility scooters were being driven when the horses were used.

[glenn239]

10 hours ago, rmgill said:

Does it. Arguably, the emergency powers need legislative approval. Do they have that already? 

Parliament has not yet voted on this.  The emergency measures are in force now.  I think a vote is happening in a few days.

The Liberals have 159 seats out of 338.  They are in the minority and would fall (read, election) if the Conservatives, (119), BQ (32) and NDP (25) passed a vote of non-confidence.  But the NDP will not do that.  Their leader is weak and will not survive another election fiasco.  So Trudeau should have the votes necessary for pending Parliamentary approval.

[Stargrunt6]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

There is a real Fascist (yes, with his own Praetorian Guard) revving up his tanks in Eastern Europe, and you are worried about Justin Trudeau? Seriously?

No, I dont like the smarmy git either. But lets just get real and drink the coffee for a frigging second.

It's no consolation to people whose accounts have been frozen, who have been beaten and pepper sprayed, and will continue to be persecuted even after conviction that at least they don't live in Russia.

Fun Fact: Putin and Trudeau both oppress journalists who  report the truth.  

[Stuart Galbraith]

Trudeau, for all his flaws, doesn't shoot journalists, or poison political opponents. He also doesn't line tanks up on America's border. These are not trivial differences.

 

 

[Stargrunt6]

4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Trudeau, for all his flaws, doesn't shoot journalists, or poison political opponents. He also doesn't line tanks up on America's border. These are not trivial differences.

 

 

"that man slaps his wife.

"at least he doesn't shoot her!"

[sunday]

"There can only be one crisis at a time, and I, from the Cottswolds, would decide what one should be! By Jingo!"

[bojan]

I remember Stuart cheering protestors throwing molotov cocktails at Ukrainian police. How things change...

[DKTanker]

8 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

There is a real Fascist (yes, with his own Praetorian Guard) revving up his tanks in Eastern Europe, and you are worried about Justin Trudeau? Seriously?

No, I dont like the smarmy git either. But lets just get real and drink the coffee for a frigging second.

One fascist is about to take on another fascist in eastern Europe.  I can't be bothered.  Here on the NA continent we have one newly installed fascist and a blundering idiot that is turning green with envy.  I fear the fascism north of the St. Lawrence Seaway spilling over to the south much more than I do the same shit that has been going on in Europe for the last 2000 years or more.

Edited February 20, 2022 by DKTanker